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VooDooZG

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Re: The PowerShot G5 X Mark II to Feature 1 inch DPAF 20.2mp Sensor?
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2017, 07:58:39 AM »
Nikon isn't using a Sony sensor in their D850 either.... so it seems that Canon is not the only company trying to shift away from dependence on Sony sensors.

Stating that Nikon is not using a Sony sensor in the D850 is slightly misleading. It appears that they are using Sony technology (Exmor R) with custom modifications designed by Nikon, made on the old Toshiba fab line (now owned by Sony, who acquired Toshiba's sensor business in late 2015). So technically, you could argue that it is not a 100% Sony sensor, but you know what they say about looking, swimming and quacking like a duck...


nope

http://www.funtechtalk.com/makes-image-sensor-nikon-d850-camera-not-sony/

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Re: The PowerShot G5 X Mark II to Feature 1 inch DPAF 20.2mp Sensor?
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2017, 07:58:39 AM »

powershot2012

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Re: G5 X Mark II to feature 20.2mp 1 inch DPAF equipped sensor?
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2017, 10:30:20 AM »
Agree.  Thought Canon learned a lesson with the G5X I.

At this point only looking forward to the G1X III... Just hope Canon doesn't screw that one up.

I'm disappointed that this won't get the APS-C sensor.

traveller

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Re: The PowerShot G5 X Mark II to Feature 1 inch DPAF 20.2mp Sensor?
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2017, 12:11:24 PM »
Nikon isn't using a Sony sensor in their D850 either.... so it seems that Canon is not the only company trying to shift away from dependence on Sony sensors.

Stating that Nikon is not using a Sony sensor in the D850 is slightly misleading. It appears that they are using Sony technology (Exmor R) with custom modifications designed by Nikon, made on the old Toshiba fab line (now owned by Sony, who acquired Toshiba's sensor business in late 2015). So technically, you could argue that it is not a 100% Sony sensor, but you know what they say about looking, swimming and quacking like a duck...


nope

http://www.funtechtalk.com/makes-image-sensor-nikon-d850-camera-not-sony/

This may be true, or it may not. I've never heard of Funtechtalk.com before your link and they do not state their source. I'm still thinking it's more likely a Sony fab  until either Nikon, Sony, or more likely someone like Chipworks do a tear down.

okaro

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Re: G5 X Mark II to feature 20.2mp 1 inch DPAF equipped sensor?
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2017, 04:52:32 PM »
Agree.  Thought Canon learned a lesson with the G5X I.

At this point only looking forward to the G1X III... Just hope Canon doesn't screw that one up.

I'm disappointed that this won't get the APS-C sensor.

You just cannot have a large sensor in small form factor:

http://camerasize.com/compact/#257,534,637,ha,t

G1 X Mark II Depth 66 mm, weight 553 grams. G5 X Depth 44 mm, weight 377 grams.

privatebydesign

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Re: G5 X Mark II to feature 20.2mp 1 inch DPAF equipped sensor?
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2017, 05:14:11 PM »
Agree.  Thought Canon learned a lesson with the G5X I.

At this point only looking forward to the G1X III... Just hope Canon doesn't screw that one up.

I'm disappointed that this won't get the APS-C sensor.

You just cannot have a large sensor in small form factor:

http://camerasize.com/compact/#257,534,637,ha,t

G1 X Mark II Depth 66 mm, weight 553 grams. G5 X Depth 44 mm, weight 377 grams.

Clearly somebody forgot to tell that to the designers of the EOS-M http://camerasize.com/compact/#637,351.349,534,ha,t
Too often we lose sight of the fact that photography is about capturing light, if we have the ability to take control of that light then we grow exponentially as photographers. More often than not the image is not about lens speed, sensor size, DR, MP's or AF, it is about the light.

photomachine

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Re: G5 X Mark II to feature 20.2mp 1 inch DPAF equipped sensor?
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2017, 05:51:20 PM »
Agree.  Thought Canon learned a lesson with the G5X I.

At this point only looking forward to the G1X III... Just hope Canon doesn't screw that one up.

I'm disappointed that this won't get the APS-C sensor.

You just cannot have a large sensor in small form factor:

http://camerasize.com/compact/#257,534,637,ha,t

G1 X Mark II Depth 66 mm, weight 553 grams. G5 X Depth 44 mm, weight 377 grams.

Clearly somebody forgot to tell that to the designers of the EOS-M http://camerasize.com/compact/#637,351.349,534,ha,t

there, fixed it for you: http://camerasize.com/compact/#351.348,534,637,ha,t

Woody

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Re: G5 X Mark II to feature 20.2mp 1 inch DPAF equipped sensor?
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2017, 06:19:46 PM »
there, fixed it for you: http://camerasize.com/compact/#351.348,534,637,ha,t

Interestingly, in terms of weight:
EOS-M + kit lens = 508g
G1X MkII = 553g
G5X = 377g

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Re: G5 X Mark II to feature 20.2mp 1 inch DPAF equipped sensor?
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2017, 06:19:46 PM »

privatebydesign

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Re: G5 X Mark II to feature 20.2mp 1 inch DPAF equipped sensor?
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2017, 06:31:02 PM »
Agree.  Thought Canon learned a lesson with the G5X I.

At this point only looking forward to the G1X III... Just hope Canon doesn't screw that one up.

I'm disappointed that this won't get the APS-C sensor.

You just cannot have a large sensor in small form factor:

http://camerasize.com/compact/#257,534,637,ha,t

G1 X Mark II Depth 66 mm, weight 553 grams. G5 X Depth 44 mm, weight 377 grams.

Clearly somebody forgot to tell that to the designers of the EOS-M http://camerasize.com/compact/#637,351.349,534,ha,t

there, fixed it for you: http://camerasize.com/compact/#351.348,534,637,ha,t

That didn't fix anything. The point I contested was "You just cannot have a large sensor in a small form factor" which is demonstrably false. Now, 'you cannot have a large sensor with an interchangeable lens with a wide zoom range in a small form factor' is probably closer to the truth.
Too often we lose sight of the fact that photography is about capturing light, if we have the ability to take control of that light then we grow exponentially as photographers. More often than not the image is not about lens speed, sensor size, DR, MP's or AF, it is about the light.

photomachine

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Re: G5 X Mark II to feature 20.2mp 1 inch DPAF equipped sensor?
« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2017, 08:18:03 PM »
Agree.  Thought Canon learned a lesson with the G5X I.

At this point only looking forward to the G1X III... Just hope Canon doesn't screw that one up.

I'm disappointed that this won't get the APS-C sensor.

You just cannot have a large sensor in small form factor:

http://camerasize.com/compact/#257,534,637,ha,t

G1 X Mark II Depth 66 mm, weight 553 grams. G5 X Depth 44 mm, weight 377 grams.

Clearly somebody forgot to tell that to the designers of the EOS-M http://camerasize.com/compact/#637,351.349,534,ha,t

there, fixed it for you: http://camerasize.com/compact/#351.348,534,637,ha,t

That didn't fix anything. The point I contested was "You just cannot have a large sensor in a small form factor" which is demonstrably false. Now, 'you cannot have a large sensor with an interchangeable lens with a wide zoom range in a small form factor' is probably closer to the truth.

Well your comparison was pretty much based on the lens. If you compare body size of the G1X and the EOS-M, the G1X won't be bigger than the EOS-M, well slightly if you count that the display folds out.

By your logic, you could make the "You just cannot have a large sensor in a small form factor" point by comparing size like this: http://camerasize.com/compact/#351.15.2,655.345,ha,t

Not a fair comparison, neither is a comparing a 35mm with a 24-120mm zoom.

Wizardly

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Re: G5 X Mark II to feature 20.2mp 1 inch DPAF equipped sensor?
« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2017, 01:06:00 AM »
Agree.  Thought Canon learned a lesson with the G5X I.

At this point only looking forward to the G1X III... Just hope Canon doesn't screw that one up.

I'm disappointed that this won't get the APS-C sensor.

Really? 

http://camerasize.com/compact/#562.360,534,ha,t


You just cannot have a large sensor in small form factor:

http://camerasize.com/compact/#257,534,637,ha,t

G1 X Mark II Depth 66 mm, weight 553 grams. G5 X Depth 44 mm, weight 377 grams.

AvTvM

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Re: The PowerShot G5 X Mark II to Feature 1 inch DPAF 20.2mp Sensor?
« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2017, 02:44:12 AM »
EOS M, M2, M10, M100 are currently the most compact way to package an APS-C sensor.

most other camera bodies are way too big compared to the sensor they hold. this applies to G1X I abd II as well as to almost all Fujifilm and Olympus mFT products (behemoth OMD 1 with tiny quarterformat sensor).

absolute masterpiece in terms of body size to sensor size is Sony RX1R II ... outstanding FF sensor in the smallest possible package. If it came with (FE) lens mount up front instead of stupid, boring, bolted-on 35mm fixed lens, i would buy it. still hoping for aT least obe ultracompact yet fully capable Canon FF EOS camera ... with new native EF-X mount, if course ... and a couple of nice pancakes and ultracompact f/4 zooms to go with it.

powershot ... not interested any longer, although my first Canon camera was a Powershot S-40. user interface is too crippled.

okaro

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Re: G5 X Mark II to feature 20.2mp 1 inch DPAF equipped sensor?
« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2017, 04:43:22 AM »
Clearly somebody forgot to tell that to the designers of the EOS-M http://camerasize.com/compact/#637,351.349,534,ha,t

A prime lens with no IS. Hardly a compatible package to a camera with zoom, IS and EVF. Even with all that the EOS M is bulkier and new bodies are even heavier. Btw I have that. Here is my old and new light package:

http://camerasize.com/compact/#351.349,697,ha,t

Do you know how much I have worried that the G9 X does not have an APS-C sensor. Not at all.

Here is a better comparison:

http://camerasize.com/compact/#684.583,637,ha,t

The site does not offer 15-45 zoom but the 28 mm is same size.

okaro

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Re: G5 X Mark II to feature 20.2mp 1 inch DPAF equipped sensor?
« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2017, 04:48:04 AM »
That didn't fix anything. The point I contested was "You just cannot have a large sensor in a small form factor" which is demonstrably false. Now, 'you cannot have a large sensor with an interchangeable lens with a wide zoom range in a small form factor' is probably closer to the truth.

I just hate that kind of nitpicking. Every statement has a context. The context here clearly was zoom cameras as one is making a replacement to zoom cameras. Note that I did not bring IL cameras into the discussion. I showed how G1 X is much larger than G5 X.

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Re: G5 X Mark II to feature 20.2mp 1 inch DPAF equipped sensor?
« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2017, 04:48:04 AM »

okaro

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Re: G5 X Mark II to feature 20.2mp 1 inch DPAF equipped sensor?
« Reply #28 on: September 15, 2017, 04:54:16 AM »
Well your comparison was pretty much based on the lens. If you compare body size of the G1X and the EOS-M, the G1X won't be bigger than the EOS-M, well slightly if you count that the display folds out.

By your logic, you could make the "You just cannot have a large sensor in a small form factor" point by comparing size like this: http://camerasize.com/compact/#351.15.2,655.345,ha,t

Not a fair comparison, neither is a comparing a 35mm with a 24-120mm zoom.

Body size is really irrelevant as one cannot take images with the body alone. Also the main issue was the size of the G5 X. The issue was whether it should get an APS-C sensor. My point is that it would ruin the camera.

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Re: G5 X Mark II to feature 20.2mp 1 inch DPAF equipped sensor?
« Reply #29 on: September 15, 2017, 05:05:53 AM »
... Also the main issue was the size of the G5 X. The issue was whether it should get an APS-C sensor. My point is that it would ruin the camera.

I fully agree. If I were in charge at Canon  8) :P ... then
* "Powershot" brand would be used for compacts with built in zoom and 1" sensor only [G3X/5X/7X/9X, whatever]
* there would be either no G1X series or it would also come with 1" sensor 
* all cameras with APS-C [or FF] sensors would be "EOS" branded and come with lens mount (! EF, -S, -M, -X for future FF mirrorless) and feature a full, regular EOS User Interface ... instead of the crippled, dumbed-down  Powershot UI.

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Re: G5 X Mark II to feature 20.2mp 1 inch DPAF equipped sensor?
« Reply #29 on: September 15, 2017, 05:05:53 AM »