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Re: My 6D MkII Photos - Wildlife!
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2017, 04:04:20 AM »
"But now, there are proportionately more interesting photos that are different in some way, capture some emotion, or tell a story.  The ratio of boring photos that I sift through is much lower."

This has absolutely nothing to do with the gear. It has everything to do with you improving at your craft.

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Re: My 6D MkII Photos - Wildlife!
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2017, 04:04:20 AM »

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Re: My 6D MkII Photos - Wildlife!
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2017, 04:47:22 AM »
"But now, there are proportionately more interesting photos that are different in some way, capture some emotion, or tell a story.  The ratio of boring photos that I sift through is much lower."

This has absolutely nothing to do with the gear. It has everything to do with you improving at your craft.

Sanjay

I disagree.  Before I purchased the 6DMkII, most of my bird photography was on a tripod, because on an 80D, high ISO does not resolve well.  Likewise, before I purchased a Canon 100-400 II, I didn't capture a lot of great moments handheld, because even though I have the patience/skills to do so, I physically can't hold that setup for minutes at a time.  I'd use an assistive device like a monopod or tripod, but doing so means moving that around, and that tremendously reduces the opportunities to capture something special.

Without the high ISO capabilities of the 6DMkII, I would have just skipped a lot of the images, or gotten a blurry mess trying to snap them at ISO 400-800; there's just no point in shooting a ISO 3200 or higher photo on an 80D, and even most ISO 1000+ images are pretty cruddy without resorting to extraordinary noise reduction measures.
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Re: My 6D MkII Photos - Wildlife!
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2017, 04:55:20 AM »
Here are some High ISO shots.  All of these were manual focus handheld shots.  I think with these tiny fast moving birds, trying to catch them in flight with AF is a lost cause.  If you use many AF points, the camera will probably pick the wrong point; if you use a single AF point, good luck actually getting the point on the bird before it's gone.

I shot all the two ISO 12,800 photos today, during a period that was very cloudy on my patio (they were just before I refilled the peanut feeder, which has been emptying out at a dizzying rate).

This Northern Flicker is taken at 188mm, 1/4000 f/5.6 ISO 12,800:


Full image: http://talys.icxi.com/cr/20170919/flicker-BIF-02_FW.jpg

This Chickadee (right) and Downy Woodpecker (left) was taken, at 100mm, 1/4000 f/4.5, ISO 12,800:


Full image: http://talys.icxi.com/cr/20170919/Chickadee-BIF-03_FW.jpg

As a point of reference, this mid-ISO Chickadee was taken at 100mm, 1/4000, f/5, ISO 1,000 at the same location:


Full image: http://talys.icxi.com/cr/20170919/Chickadee-BIF-02_FW.jpg

And, just because we can't be doing all birds all the time... here's a squirrel for happy thoughts.  He was certainly having happy thoughts while he munched that peanut, at  ISO 3,200. :)

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Re: My 6D MkII Photos - Wildlife! [UPDATE: ISO 12800 Songbird BIFs added]
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2017, 05:05:47 AM »
The tripod thing is a different topic altogether.

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Re: My 6D MkII Photos - Wildlife! [UPDATE: ISO 12800 Songbird BIFs added]
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2017, 05:13:19 AM »
The tripod thing is a different topic altogether.

All I'm saying is that the 6DII and the lighter lens has opened up more a lot more opportunities for me, because I'm not worried about shooting at higher ISOs -- as you can see above, even some 12,800 photos are eminently usable. 

If I have to shoot at 1/250 to get a non-grainy picture, I just won't shoot BIF that day; I'll wait for more sunlight.  That's a lost opportunity.  A tripod lets me shoot the bird portrait before just fine; but now I don't need one, which, again, allows me to capture many more interesting moments, and shifts the ratio of photos from a lot of portraits to a lot more BIFs.

I really don't think it's that controversial that a combination of a camera that produces much better images given a lot less light, plus a lens that weighs less, is easier to manual focus and has better IS opens up more possibilities :D 
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Re: My 6D MkII Photos - Wildlife! [UPDATE: ISO 12800 Songbird BIFs added]
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2017, 05:22:44 AM »
The tripod thing is a different topic altogether.

I don't think Talys is saying the new camera and lens have made him a better photographer, but that the new gear has made it easier for him to use his skills to get the shot at all, or to get the shot from more interesting angles.

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My 300D Photos - Wildlife!
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2017, 07:24:41 AM »
As  there is so  much excitement about a new camera that can be used to take photos of birds, I got out my 13-year old Canon EOS 300D.  This was the camera that revolutionised digital photography for the masses - the first affordable DSLR.  It has everything we want nowadays in a camera: low DR for contrasty images, low megapixels for small files, no RAW so jpegs straight out of the camera, and  it has little red focus lights that twinkle. And you can pick them up for virtually nothing.  It still worked this morning, and it's as good as a 6DII for a close-up of a duck.

What new models with more modern and advanced features do is to expand the range of possibilities.  The 6DII is a step up from the 80D. You are preaching to the converted about dispensing with tripods and shooting at higher isos on full frame because that is what most of us are doing.  If you are good at handling noise, you can do the same on APS-C, and if you crop FF down to APS-C size, there is little difference in noise between an FF and APS-C shot.
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« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2017, 07:24:41 AM »

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Re: My 300D Photos - Wildlife!
« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2017, 12:26:11 PM »
What new models with more modern and advanced features do is to expand the range of possibilities.  The 6DII is a step up from the 80D. You are preaching to the converted about dispensing with tripods and shooting at higher isos on full frame because that is what most of us are doing.  If you are good at handling noise, you can do the same on APS-C, and if you crop FF down to APS-C size, there is little difference in noise between an FF and APS-C shot.

Unfortunately, until the 6DII, I couldn't buy a Canon FF camera, because I'd never be able to use it for work stuff -- I absolutely need an articulating screen because I often have the camera high up and pointing downwards, and I must recompose the subject for the next shots.  Liveview was always an option, but a pain, because I often have multiple cameras fixed so that each shot can be taken at the same angles.  I'd end up needing 3 remote liveview monitors, or 3 HDMI monitors -- no thanks; the articulating screen is much easier to deal with.

With regards to noise, I'm not really willing to go outside of DPP/Lightroom for my hobby shoots, and I don't want to have to deal with TIFFs because of the file sizes.  I have fiddled plenty with those controls, and while there are certain types of photos that convert well (ones that naturally hide noise), most, I think, are terrible once ISOs get into 4 digits.  If you have a suggestion, I'd be happy to hear.  I'd possibly use another tool if the resulting file was a RAW modifier (not TIFF) that could be opened by LR.  If you have any suggestions or if there's a guide you have in mind, I'd be very receptive to trying it out.  I love my 80D; I just don't shoot it at ISO 1600.

I should mention, the 6DII high ISO noise reduction is *easy*; those photos clean up with no skill or effort required. 


As  there is so  much excitement about a new camera that can be used to take photos of birds, I got out my 13-year old Canon EOS 300D.  This was the camera that revolutionised digital photography for the masses - the first affordable DSLR.

For me, I began birding when I switched from Nikon and purchased the 550D/t2i.  I have plenty of nice photos with it, including some with the cheapest kit lenses.  Still, it doesn't diminish all the improvements that I got out of t3i/t5i/t6s/60D/80D -- and now 6DII.   I still use every body I own that I purchased from the 60D and t6s up.  Heck, I still use my PowerShot S110 :)
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Re: My 300D Photos - Wildlife!
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2017, 01:17:28 PM »

With regards to noise, I'm not really willing to go outside of DPP/Lightroom for my hobby shoots, and I don't want to have to deal with TIFFs because of the file sizes.  I have fiddled plenty with those controls, and while there are certain types of photos that convert well (ones that naturally hide noise), most, I think, are terrible once ISOs get into 4 digits.  If you have a suggestion, I'd be happy to hear. 

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Re: My 300D Photos - Wildlife!
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2017, 01:17:28 PM »