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Re: Throwback Thursday: Returning to the Canon EOS-1D
« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2017, 03:31:09 PM »
I sold my 1D last year for $250.

It was a great camera, when compared to film cameras, but 4.2 MP was always a limitation and part of the reason for the dramatic gains in sensor capabilities over a short time period. The ISO performance stood up well when compared to film but that was it, again the sensor was outgrown technologically speaking very quickly. As was that dumb 1.3 crop that was not EF-s compatible so ultrawide angle coverage was non existent.

But anybody that uses one can't help but be frustrated with the non zooming replay, tiny screen the limited menu and whilst the IQ is good its nothing special and vastly outgunned by pretty much everything since.

As for the 'look' of the files. That is nothing more than the rendering programs algorithms interpretation, it is easily changed and if you take the time to make ISO specific camera profiles including color profiles and tone curves and apply them on import you can make pretty much anything look like anything else with no input or further time taken, it's digital for goodness sake!
Too often we lose sight of the fact that photography is about capturing light, if we have the ability to take control of that light then we grow exponentially as photographers. More often than not the image is not about lens speed, sensor size, DR, MP's or AF, it is about the light.

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Re: Throwback Thursday: Returning to the Canon EOS-1D
« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2017, 03:31:09 PM »

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Re: Throwback Thursday: Returning to the Canon EOS-1D
« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2017, 04:02:34 PM »
A few times I wanted to get this camera, and I will probably do at a certain point. Just to add, this original 1d had 1/16,000 sec shutter speed which is amazing.

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Re: Throwback Thursday: Returning to the Canon EOS-1D
« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2017, 04:21:37 PM »
A few times I wanted to get this camera, and I will probably do at a certain point. Just to add, this original 1d had 1/16,000 sec shutter speed which is amazing.

It also had 1/500 sec flash sync.
Too often we lose sight of the fact that photography is about capturing light, if we have the ability to take control of that light then we grow exponentially as photographers. More often than not the image is not about lens speed, sensor size, DR, MP's or AF, it is about the light.

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Re: Throwback Thursday: Returning to the Canon EOS-1D
« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2017, 06:28:04 PM »
I haven't used mine for a while, and it really isn't worth selling at this point (I bought it used for little money).

The limitation I found was the file size, and as mentioned earlier, there isn't much room for cropping. I have printed 8x10 and 13 x 19 from that camera, and the images look fine, but the frame needs to be filled with the subject matter to be used as-is.

And of course, once/if it breaks, that's it.

Maybe I should dust it off again :)

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Re: Throwback Thursday: Returning to the Canon EOS-1D
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2017, 10:42:24 AM »
Traded my 1D,1DSII along with five lenses for the 5DIII at BELAIR Camera
 when the 5D mark 3 was fresh on the scene,I sadly missed Belair Camera store.
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Re: Throwback Thursday: Returning to the Canon EOS-1D
« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2017, 10:58:52 AM »
And of course, once/if it breaks, that's it.

There are still Model T cars running around out there; maybe we just need to encourage development of Vintage Digital Camera clubs, where members teach each other how to repair ancient (i.e. 10-year old) cameras using Bondo.  ;D

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Re: Throwback Thursday: Returning to the Canon EOS-1D
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2017, 12:07:05 PM »
Hi Orangutan.
I'm curious about which bondo to use to repair a failing sensor, (lots of dead pixels for instance) and how it affects the DR of the sensor one set.  ??? ::)  ;)

Cheers, Graham.

And of course, once/if it breaks, that's it.

There are still Model T cars running around out there; maybe we just need to encourage development of Vintage Digital Camera clubs, where members teach each other how to repair ancient (i.e. 10-year old) cameras using Bondo.  ;D
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Re: Throwback Thursday: Returning to the Canon EOS-1D
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2017, 12:07:05 PM »

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Re: Throwback Thursday: Returning to the Canon EOS-1D
« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2017, 12:33:22 PM »
Graham, you have to use White Lightning or better still epoxies.

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Re: Throwback Thursday: Returning to the Canon EOS-1D
« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2017, 02:41:16 PM »

There are still Model T cars running around out there; maybe we just need to encourage development of Vintage Digital Camera clubs, where members teach each other how to repair ancient (i.e. 10-year old) cameras using Bondo.  ;D

I bet that if someone started making USM focus motors for the first generation Big Whites, there would be a lot of interest.

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Re: Throwback Thursday: Returning to the Canon EOS-1D
« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2017, 02:58:23 PM »
Oh lol, that original Canon 1D sensor is not made by Canon (and as stated, it is a CCD, not CMOS like today's cameras).

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos1d

I listed this on my full article, the CCD is full of character  :)

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Re: Throwback Thursday: Returning to the Canon EOS-1D
« Reply #25 on: September 25, 2017, 03:01:42 PM »
Every day is throwback thursday for me, with my 1D mark II from 2004 - the only camera I own! (I realize the OP is talking about the original 4mpx 1D)

8 megapixels @ 8.3 fps
Many of the technical aspects (besides dynamic range and resolution) of the sensor have it competing closely with the 80D, and beating the original 7D!

Just check out the comparison here:
https://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Canon-EOS-80D-versus-Canon-EOS-7D-versus-Canon-EOS-1D-Mark-II___1076_619_431
Jump to the measurements tab and check the results. The dynamic range tab is the only place where the 1D mark II falls short of both cameras by quite a lot. Otherwise, it beats the 7D and comes close to the 80D.

That original 1D must also have some similar characteristics! Unfortunately, it is not in the DXOmark database, but we can hardly expect it to be. - So, lacking DXOmark lab tests for the original 1D, I guess the 1D mark II is the closest thing that we can see detailed specs on.

I'm currently comparing the 1D MKII, so far the perceived sharpness is very similar.
And the extra pixel count does help enormously for cropping, I have a few samples to compare so far.
As of now I still prefer the 1D MK 1 over the MK 2, but again its all preference art is art.

(1D mkII below)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/52057517@N04/36516800471/in/dateposted/
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Re: Throwback Thursday: Returning to the Canon EOS-1D
« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2017, 03:07:16 PM »
I haven't used mine for a while, and it really isn't worth selling at this point (I bought it used for little money).

The limitation I found was the file size, and as mentioned earlier, there isn't much room for cropping. I have printed 8x10 and 13 x 19 from that camera, and the images look fine, but the frame needs to be filled with the subject matter to be used as-is.

And of course, once/if it breaks, that's it.

Maybe I should dust it off again :)

Yes as I stated in my full article cropping is a no no, but if you can handle the challenge you'll be rewarded :D

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Re: Throwback Thursday: Returning to the Canon EOS-1D
« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2017, 03:09:51 PM »
A few times I wanted to get this camera, and I will probably do at a certain point. Just to add, this original 1d had 1/16,000 sec shutter speed which is amazing.


Yes the shutter is very unique to this camera, not to mention the 1/500 flash sync. Cropping has advanced but shutters.... not so much for creative uses.

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Re: Throwback Thursday: Returning to the Canon EOS-1D
« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2017, 03:09:51 PM »

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Re: Throwback Thursday: Returning to the Canon EOS-1D
« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2017, 03:15:59 PM »
A few times I wanted to get this camera, and I will probably do at a certain point. Just to add, this original 1d had 1/16,000 sec shutter speed which is amazing.

It also had 1/500 sec flash sync.

I've considered picking up one just for those two features.   ;) otoh my speedlights have something like 1/250 flash duration at full power, so I'm not sure what there would be to gain anyways.

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Re: Throwback Thursday: Returning to the Canon EOS-1D
« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2017, 03:25:31 PM »
A even further throwback camera is the $30,000+ 1995 6mp Kodak DCS 460 which I happened to find locally for $100 a few years back.

It is basically a APS-C back for a Nikon N90 and used type III PC cards (those large ones with a hard drive inside)  The camera output .tiff files in a older format, but Lightroom still processes them just fine.  Colors are not quiet right, I don't know if its lightroom, or the sensor changing, the colors can be adjusted.

DCS 460 Camera Specifications
  • Image storage on removable PC cards, Type III; 42 images per 260 MB
  • 12 bits/color
  • Normal operation for camera exposure with all metering modes available
  • 18.4 x 27.6-mm imager magnifies focal length only 1.3X
  • SCSI interface with host
  • DCS 460 Color: ISO 80
  • DCS 460 Mono: ISO 160
  • Continuous-frame capture rate of approximately 12 seconds/image
  • 250 images per battery charge, with 1 hour to recharge
  • AC adapter/charger power requirements: 50/60 Hz, 100, 120, 220, 240 V AC
  • Approximate size: 6.7 in. W x 4.5 in. D x 8.2 in. H (170 mm x 114 mm x 208 mm)
  • Weight (without lens): 3.75 lbs. (1.70 kg)
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Now that would be fun!

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Re: Throwback Thursday: Returning to the Canon EOS-1D
« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2017, 03:25:31 PM »