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ahsanford

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Re: More Than One Active Full Frame Mirrorless Project at Canon? [CR1]
« Reply #60 on: October 05, 2017, 09:44:23 PM »

*JUST HOW MUCH SMALLER & LIGHTER (than the 5DMk3/35mm 2.0 IS combo) could a designed-from-the-ground-up analogous full frame mirrorless camera+lens system get?


Look at the RX1R II, right?  35mm f/2 lens + FF sensor, but I don't know if it has IBIS.  Pretty sure that lens doesn't have IS.

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Re: More Than One Active Full Frame Mirrorless Project at Canon? [CR1]
« Reply #60 on: October 05, 2017, 09:44:23 PM »

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Re: More Than One Active Full Frame Mirrorless Project at Canon? [CR1]
« Reply #61 on: October 05, 2017, 09:47:24 PM »
Consider:  how many landscapers left Canon for that Nikkor 14-24 f/2.8?

They left because they wanted the wide DR at base ISO offered by Sony sensors. Fred Miranda is an example.

How many left? How many stayed? How many moved to Canon from Sony? Fred is just one case. This question is rhetorical because you could give me 10 names and it still wouldn't mean anything.
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Re: More Than One Active Full Frame Mirrorless Project at Canon? [CR1]
« Reply #62 on: October 05, 2017, 09:52:39 PM »
I'm curious. Can someone who owns and uses an adapter with the current Canon mirrorless tell me if you have to mount the adapter to the lens first, as with a tele-extender.

I ask, because I can see it being a real problem if you have to remove the adapter from the camera body every time you want to change lenses.

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Re: More Than One Active Full Frame Mirrorless Project at Canon? [CR1]
« Reply #63 on: October 05, 2017, 10:31:43 PM »
I'm curious. Can someone who owns and uses an adapter with the current Canon mirrorless tell me if you have to mount the adapter to the lens first, as with a tele-extender.

I ask, because I can see it being a real problem if you have to remove the adapter from the camera body every time you want to change lenses.

i use EF/EF-M adapter frequently - mainly with EF STM lenses [40/2.8, 50/1.8]. Adapter can be mounted as you like .. on lens first and then on camera or vice versa. 

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Re: More Than One Active Full Frame Mirrorless Project at Canon? [CR1]
« Reply #64 on: October 05, 2017, 10:37:46 PM »
The likely big reason that Canon would use a new mount, is patents.  They can patent it and make it difficult for 3rd parties to connect to the mount.  It can use a different encrypted protocol, lots of ways to lock out competition.  The Canon adapter can still let a EF lens work, but 3rd parties may not be able to make native lenses.

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Re: More Than One Active Full Frame Mirrorless Project at Canon? [CR1]
« Reply #65 on: October 05, 2017, 11:36:03 PM »

*JUST HOW MUCH SMALLER & LIGHTER (than the 5DMk3/35mm 2.0 IS combo) could a designed-from-the-ground-up analogous full frame mirrorless camera+lens system get?


Look at the RX1R II, right?  35mm f/2 lens + FF sensor, but I don't know if it has IBIS.  Pretty sure that lens doesn't have IS.

- A

Good point. Real good point...I guess that's where the notion that Canon's first full frame mirrorless might be a fixed-lens model, eh?

As I'm sure you realize, too, the RX1R II's body (minus the fixed lens) is more-or-less the same size and weight as...the M6!
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Re: More Than One Active Full Frame Mirrorless Project at Canon? [CR1]
« Reply #66 on: October 06, 2017, 01:35:12 AM »
Canon just running behind as usual.

I don't mind. I rather Canon get it right for professional use than having their user be guinea pigs on paid assignments.


I do. I'd much rather have a FF mirrorless right now than an M5. I don't buy for one second that they are taking this long because they want to show up with an excellent camera, looking at Canon's history the first few will be terribly underwhelming. Might as well get on with it and get it out of the way

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Re: More Than One Active Full Frame Mirrorless Project at Canon? [CR1]
« Reply #66 on: October 06, 2017, 01:35:12 AM »

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Re: More Than One Active Full Frame Mirrorless Project at Canon? [CR1]
« Reply #67 on: October 06, 2017, 02:03:27 AM »
Pearsonaly i don't care if it takes EF lenses nativaley or with adapter. I just hope it wont be so ugly as on the front photo.
I also think that uncompetative sensor was used in 6D mk ii to make space for new ful frame line. This might be mirrorless. Why not?

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Re: More Than One Active Full Frame Mirrorless Project at Canon? [CR1]
« Reply #68 on: October 06, 2017, 03:47:10 AM »
Actually, I don't really care if the new Canon FF Mirrorless uses EF mount or not. Because by the time it's out the Sony A7RIII (or possibly A9R) will be out.


Now, if the new EF-mount Canon camera was a hybrid device keeping the mirror but with a combined OVF/EVF giving you the best of both worlds, then I'd be very interested.

But large heavy mirrorless cameras that only take EF lenses? Count me out right now.
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Re: More Than One Active Full Frame Mirrorless Project at Canon? [CR1]
« Reply #69 on: October 06, 2017, 04:48:02 AM »
what is the point of posting on Canon centric forum then? I genuinely and admittedly have no interest in Sony system. That does not prompt me to start posting on Alpha Rumors?
I can recall that one of CR forum members asked you to stop promoting the Sony system around here and you replied to the effect that you made the post is "Other Manufacturers" section of the forum. Fair enough... but now you are posting in EOS Bodies section.

Actually, I don't really care if the new Canon FF Mirrorless uses EF mount or not. Because by the time it's out the Sony A7RIII (or possibly A9R) will be out.


Now, if the new EF-mount Canon camera was a hybrid device keeping the mirror but with a combined OVF/EVF giving you the best of both worlds, then I'd be very interested.

But large heavy mirrorless cameras that only take EF lenses? Count me out right now.

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Re: More Than One Active Full Frame Mirrorless Project at Canon? [CR1]
« Reply #70 on: October 06, 2017, 05:15:21 AM »
I can recall that one of CR forum members asked you to stop promoting the Sony system around here and you replied to the effect that you made the post is "Other Manufacturers" section of the forum. Fair enough... but now you are posting in EOS Bodies section.

That must have been someone else, not me.

I'm not promoting Sony over Canon. I'd much rather have a Canon FF MILC than a Sony one, but I don't want a heavy DSLR-sized body tied to the old EF lens mount. Why compromise? Build something for the future, not the past.


 
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Re: More Than One Active Full Frame Mirrorless Project at Canon? [CR1]
« Reply #71 on: October 06, 2017, 05:42:41 AM »
I'm not promoting Sony over Canon. I'd much rather have a Canon FF MILC than a Sony one, but I don't want a heavy DSLR-sized body tied to the old EF lens mount. Why compromise? Build something for the future, not the past.

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Re: More Than One Active Full Frame Mirrorless Project at Canon? [CR1]
« Reply #72 on: October 06, 2017, 06:27:19 AM »
...but I don't want a heavy DSLR-sized body tied to the old EF lens mount. Why compromise? Build something for the future, not the past.

I guess in your future, we'll all have teeny tiny hands, and the laws of physics will no longer apply such that f/2.8 zooms and f/1.4 primes will be small and light. 

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Re: More Than One Active Full Frame Mirrorless Project at Canon? [CR1]
« Reply #72 on: October 06, 2017, 06:27:19 AM »

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Re: More Than One Active Full Frame Mirrorless Project at Canon? [CR1]
« Reply #73 on: October 06, 2017, 06:34:59 AM »
...but I don't want a heavy DSLR-sized body tied to the old EF lens mount. Why compromise? Build something for the future, not the past.

I guess in your future, we'll all have teeny tiny hands, and the laws of physics will no longer apply such that f/2.8 zooms and f/1.4 primes will be small and light. 

 ::)

no. some people will continue to buy large cameras and large lenses. Others will hopefully get a chance to buy fully capable smaller cameras and fully capable compact lenses that will cover *the vast majority* of image capture situations very well. Big & heavy stuff will only be needed for special situations. And / or for XXL users who like/need things generally Texas size.    :)

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Re: More Than One Active Full Frame Mirrorless Project at Canon? [CR1]
« Reply #74 on: October 06, 2017, 07:14:21 AM »
The likely big reason that Canon would use a new mount, is patents.

Sigma & Tamron have Canon "help". Zeiss no. Patent already mean no AF on Zeiss. Nothing change.

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Re: More Than One Active Full Frame Mirrorless Project at Canon? [CR1]
« Reply #74 on: October 06, 2017, 07:14:21 AM »