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Canon 4K DSLR Pics from CP+ 2012
« on: February 12, 2012, 11:45:58 AM »
Not sure if anyone here have seen it or it's been posted:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150608619373746&set=a.10150608616988746.407599.165962118745&type=1&theater

It's an unnamed DSLR that is capable of doing 4K video, in CP+ 2012 exhibition in Japan.

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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2012, 12:00:32 PM »
Recording capacity equivalent to an APS-H size? What does that mean in relation to it having a full-frame 35mm sensor?

Does it crop the sensor to get 4K video?

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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2012, 12:01:45 PM »
Interesting! Why doesn't it have a name? Is it a prototype?

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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2012, 12:13:27 PM »
So it's like 18MP FF and each line from APS-H in final video output.
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2012, 12:49:16 PM »
Recording capacity equivalent to an APS-H size? What does that mean in relation to it having a full-frame 35mm sensor?

Does it crop the sensor to get 4K video?

S35mm, the film format used in cinematography, is actually the size of APS-H. RED cameras have APS-H sensors, its the closest standard to the actual size of film.

"Full frame" 24x36mm is bigger than the full frame of cinema frames.

I would say it crops it, rather than resizing it. The idea of using APS-H size is having the correct angle of view for lenses.
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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2012, 01:18:27 PM »
Interesting! Why doesn't it have a name? Is it a prototype?

The one on show seems to be a 1DX with a C sticker attached on top of the X (and without the writing above that).
A name might betray it's positioning and other positioning of future products in the ranges. They might not have worked it out yet. All sorts of reasons.

Would be interesting to see Canon do APS-H cropping of a FF sensor (like the similar capability of the D800).

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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2012, 01:19:48 PM »
Recording capacity equivalent to an APS-H size? What does that mean in relation to it having a full-frame 35mm sensor?

Does it crop the sensor to get 4K video?

S35mm, the film format used in cinematography, is actually the size of APS-H. RED cameras have APS-H sensors, its the closest standard to the actual size of film.

"Full frame" 24x36mm is bigger than the full frame of cinema frames.

I would say it crops it, rather than resizing it. The idea of using APS-H size is having the correct angle of view for lenses.

Not quite.  Super35 is 24.9mm wide.

The original Red has a 24.4mm wide chip, but it crops 16:9 video to 22.2mm wide.

Canon's version of APS-C is 22.3mm wide.  So Red and the 7D have the same FoV for a given lens, and both can use cinema lenses and EF-S lenses.

The C300 gets it right with a 24.6mm sensor.  The Alexa has a 23.8mm sensor.  These cameras do it right.

The Red Epic and apparently this new dSLR have APS-H sensors for video, between 28mm and 30mm wide, the worst of both worlds--too wide for many cinema lenses (and, crucially important for Canon, too wide for APS-C lenses--the 17-55mm IS being nice for video) and too small to take advantage of big fast still primes.  A bizarre no man's land.  I get that this is just a modified 1dx, but that puts the price (likely) at half a c300.  This is a very weird product.  There are advantages to full frame video (the availability of lenses like the 24mm f1.4 for much less than cinema primes allowing you to go fast and wide) and advantages to APS-C (works with cinema lenses and EF-S, including the very nice 17-55mm IS) but this is an awkward sensor size.  Not a deal breaker, but strange.

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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2012, 01:26:45 PM »
This is the same experimental body shown when the C300 was introduced.  Canon said they were working to develop it, so we might see it later this year.  Its for video and stills, but is aimed more at video than stills.  It will likely be $10K.

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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2012, 05:51:04 PM »
these 'c' cameras will be/are really expensive!! what will happen to their hd camcorders??

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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2012, 12:57:59 AM »
Not sure if anyone here have seen it or it's been posted:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150608619373746&set=a.10150608616988746.407599.165962118745&type=1&theater

It's an unnamed DSLR that is capable of doing 4K video, in CP+ 2012 exhibition in Japan.


They called it "4K Concept DSLR" for now, and it was announced as development in progress in Nov 2011.

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/about_canon/newsroom?pageKeyCode=pressreldetail&docId=0901e024803cf0aa

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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2012, 01:33:49 AM »
We can see where the rumors are going, regarding the 5D and the video options. . . . Like what we have been hearing of a 5Dmk III with better video than mkII and this SE type "5D C" with pro video features in a compact form with stills options as 5DmkIII has. It's like a $3000 (mkIII) system v. a $4500 ("mkIII C") system.

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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2012, 01:36:09 AM »
these 'c' cameras will be/are really expensive!! what will happen to their hd camcorders??

I am guessing they are intended to replace that line of cameras

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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2012, 04:24:50 AM »
these 'c' cameras will be/are really expensive!! what will happen to their hd camcorders??

I am guessing they are intended to replace that line of cameras

That will not happen. Camcorders have other advatnages: are small, have built-in optics, 20x optical zooms and easy to use. I can't imagine milions of families switching to Cinema EOS and going to vacations with gear more expensive than their cars just to record their kids playing in the sea.
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« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2012, 08:15:03 AM »
these 'c' cameras will be/are really expensive!! what will happen to their hd camcorders??


I am guessing they are intended to replace that line of cameras


That will not happen. Camcorders have other advatnages: are small, have built-in optics, 20x optical zooms and easy to use. I can't imagine milions of families switching to Cinema EOS and going to vacations with gear more expensive than their cars just to record their kids playing in the sea.



i dont mean those family ones.. i mean these: http://www.usa.canon.com/app/html/HDV/index.shtml


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« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2012, 12:36:39 PM »
i dont mean those family ones.. i mean these: http://www.usa.canon.com/app/html/HDV/index.shtml


*nods* that is exactly the line that I am wondering how the C300 fits in and if it signals a phasing out of that product line.

Thought marekjoz does bring up a good point, as PaS and DSLRs increasingly become multimedia devices, what will become of the dedicated 'family' camcorder?  If it is not worth it to produce dedicated still cameras, why would it be worth it to produce dedicated video ones?

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