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Re: Linked Shooting mode ST-E3-RT Advice
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2017, 02:58:18 AM »
I use the ST-E3-RT and the "overpriced commercial product" which, quite frankly, isn't overpriced when you consider it is 100% stable in a professional environment and you get replies to emails from the developer within hours, you also never have to 'load a new firmware' and new camera support just works.

I actually use them both at the same time when I am doing twilight real estate shoots with patches of flash to layer in, I fire the camera with the flash and look at the result via the CamRanger on the iPad.

Both are very useful tools and when you consider how well the CamRanger holds its value it isn't too bad a purchase either. Or get one off eBay and by the time you sell it, if you don't like it, you have lost nothing but your eBay commission.

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Re: Linked Shooting mode ST-E3-RT Advice
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2017, 02:58:18 AM »

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Re: Linked Shooting mode ST-E3-RT Advice
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2017, 01:32:41 PM »
No way can I get the slave flash mounted on the 1DX2 to fire when the camera shutter is remote activated.  Well, that does give a remote RF release function that I didn't have with the 1DX2 at all before.  Except maybe I did based on owning two 600's and not realizing there was this linked shooting mode??

Jack

No with two 600's you are just shooting REL mode not Linked, therefore you get the capacity to fire both flashes, or just one, or none, it is your choice in simple REL.

Scott, maybe I need a context of understanding to better appreciate what's going on.  I don't come with any flash background but it seems strange to me that the transmitter would fire the camera via the slave on the camera but not also fire that slave in the process.  So, I have a flash sitting on top of the camera serving only as a shutter release when it could also be providing lighting??

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Re: Linked Shooting mode ST-E3-RT Advice
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2017, 03:32:43 PM »
I think if you look at it from the designers point of view it might help.

In simple REL mode you are expected to use one camera and several lights so the lighting being triggered is desirable. In Linked Mode the primary purpose is to fire several remote cameras with whatever you have to hand, the idea that you'd want light coming from different angles whilst mounted on camera isn't considered desirable so the lights don't trigger in Linked Mode.

However to use an ST-E3-RT as a stand alone remote trigger you have to put it in Linked Shooting mode, that is the quirk that doesn't make sense to me, but if you use the setup like I do the ST-E3-RT is mounted on the camera and the 600 is used as the handheld trigger whilst I point he light where I want it. This is how I expect the designers anticipated REL mode being used so that is how they enabled it. A single camera with on camera flash isn't an optimal remote shooting setup for the situations they envisioned.

Of course there are always exceptions, that's why we get MkII's! I can see a remote camera being set up for wildlife with a better beamer type flash on camera then the ST-E3-RT should be able to be used to trigger them both, but I don't think they can be used like that.
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Re: Linked Shooting mode ST-E3-RT Advice
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2017, 03:41:21 PM »
I think if you look at it from the designers point of view it might help.

In simple REL mode you are expected to use one camera and several lights so the lighting being triggered is desirable. In Linked Mode the primary purpose is to fire several remote cameras with whatever you have to hand, the idea that you'd want light coming from different angles whilst mounted on camera isn't considered desirable so the lights don't trigger in Linked Mode.

However to use an ST-E3-RT as a stand alone remote trigger you have to put it in Linked Shooting mode, that is the quirk that doesn't make sense to me, but if you use the setup like I do the ST-E3-RT is mounted on the camera and the 600 is used as the handheld trigger whilst I point he light where I want it. This is how I expect the designers anticipated REL mode being used so that is how they enabled it. A single camera with on camera flash isn't an optimal remote shooting setup for the situations they envisioned.

Of course there are always exceptions, that's why we get MkII's! I can see a remote camera being set up for wildlife with a better beamer type flash on camera then the ST-E3-RT should be able to be used to trigger them both, but I don't think they can be used like that.

What a great explanation that I can understand.  It's my lack of experience and training working against me as usual but you and others help immensely!

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Re: Linked Shooting mode ST-E3-RT Advice
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2017, 03:42:35 PM »
I can see a remote camera being set up for wildlife with a better beamer type flash on camera then the ST-E3-RT should be able to be used to trigger them both, but I don't think they can be used like that.

But my hähnel wireless remote trigger will do that just fine. 
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Re: Linked Shooting mode ST-E3-RT Advice
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2017, 03:49:43 PM »
I can see a remote camera being set up for wildlife with a better beamer type flash on camera then the ST-E3-RT should be able to be used to trigger them both, but I don't think they can be used like that.

But my hähnel wireless remote trigger will do that just fine.

So will the CamRanger  ;)

So will the RS-80-N3 and the ET-1000N3 I got when we didn't have better options! Before that I had a 30' pneumatic plunger style cable release. Oh how times change..........
Too often we lose sight of the fact that photography is about capturing light, if we have the ability to take control of that light then we grow exponentially as photographers. More often than not the image is not about lens speed, sensor size, DR, MP's or AF, it is about the light.

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Re: Linked Shooting mode ST-E3-RT Advice
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2017, 05:35:31 PM »
I can see a remote camera being set up for wildlife with a better beamer type flash on camera then the ST-E3-RT should be able to be used to trigger them both, but I don't think they can be used like that.

But my hähnel wireless remote trigger will do that just fine.

So will the CamRanger  ;)

So will the RS-80-N3 and the ET-1000N3 I got when we didn't have better options! Before that I had a 30' pneumatic plunger style cable release. Oh how times change..........

Yeah, but mine is at the Goldilocks price.   ;)
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Re: Linked Shooting mode ST-E3-RT Advice
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Re: Linked Shooting mode ST-E3-RT Advice
« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2017, 06:09:37 PM »
As threads often do, this has gone more into full blown remote, which also is of interest to me since my 1DX2 is lacking.  Keeping things as simple as possible since I'm overloaded by many projects on my plate besides photography and allowing that the cost does not need to be the absolute minimum (just reasonable) what is the best choice for full control with a smart phone (does video function as well?).  My wife said this AM why not just get the Canon dongle but would that be a waste of money?  It seems there are differing opinions.

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Re: Linked Shooting mode ST-E3-RT Advice
« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2017, 09:47:32 PM »
Jack, as always it helps if you start out with a list of what you need from the remote and what you can live without.

If a simple remote trigger is all you need then there are a multitude of them available, I have used Yongnuo ones very successfully and although some of their stuff is pretty bad the triggers I had were rock solid and reliable.

If you want a bit more out of the remote like time-lapse etc then again, there is a broad range and Neuro regularly recommends his hähnel wireless remote trigger which as he says is priced just right if that is the functionality you want.

I specifically need the ability to see the image I just took on the iPad, so for me there are three options that I know of, the work around mentioned before, the CamRanger, and the Canon WFT-E8A. I used to use the WFT's on my 1DS MkIII's but found them unreliable and glitchy, they were also a nightmare to set up with many pages of unintelligible tech speak to navigate to get a connection. The newer WFT's are a bit better and the apps give better options, but it is Canon software and there is a reason they sell cameras and not software! However the WFT does integrate with the camera very nicely and offers weather sealing at an exorbitant price........

The CamRanger and the work around both offer more camera control than the Canon software. I have used pretty much every flavor of remote and have settled on the CamRanger but that is because I have three overwhelming criteria I need filled. I need to view remotely, I need extended bracket sequences, and it needs to just work. If I didn't want the extended control functionality I'd get a WFT.
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Re: Linked Shooting mode ST-E3-RT Advice
« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2017, 11:25:59 PM »
Scott, my only experience in this realm was with my previous 6D.  I had it working reasonably well, viewing and focusing for example, on the moon, using my computer and having the camera outside on a cold night on the deck. 

Somewhere along the line things messed up with the remote shooting software and I gave up on it.  Before that, since I have my barn attic observatory set up for photographing birds in the trees that are close by, I was keen on doing some of that from my house computer but the distance is probably about 100 - 120 feet and the 6D was very slow/flaky just short of that distance.  If I can't get a range exceeding 100' then it's not too useful to me.

I built a treepod to clamp the camera to a tree up high say to shoot a nest and the physical contraption turned out fairly well and could be used if I had remote shooting capability but every year I doddle I get another year older and climbing trees gets less feasible. ;)

This shot was done in that manner but I was on a ladder reaching up to the camera.  A remote would have been much easier and safer and less of a concern for the parent although I wasn't super close with 800mm.

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Re: Linked Shooting mode ST-E3-RT Advice
« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2017, 11:59:29 PM »
Best cheapest option while you work out what you want and how much you will use it is a 150' (Edit: foot not inch!) Ethernet cable. Plug it in to your camera ethernet port and into your network and you can control it from your computer. Its doesn't even have to be connected directly to your computer just a port anywhere on your network. If you have a wireless device also connected to that network you can use that to control the camera and view the images as well.

Indeed I have done that with the 1DX MkII and the software you use is the same as the software for the WFT but without all the techno mumbo jumbo. A couple of simple auto selects and your camera is available to any device on your network.
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Re: Linked Shooting mode ST-E3-RT Advice
« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2017, 01:01:02 AM »
Good idea Scott.  Thanks

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Re: Linked Shooting mode ST-E3-RT Advice
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