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Author Topic: Canon Celebrates Production of 90 Million EOS Series Cameras and 130 Million Interchangeable EF Lens  (Read 3705 times)

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I think so far as historically calculating EF production, this includes EFS and EFM as well.  The base mount generation is the EF as opposed to the old F mount that preceded it


Holy hell, those numbers might just be EF?  Oh, wow, I presumed for sure 1:1.4 ratio would have to have Rebels driving that ratio.

Checking the actual Canon press release (from Canon, not just the copy above):
http://global.canon/en/news/2017/20171017.html

See notes:  I don't see an 'out' for EF-S, so I am reading the 130M statement as being for EF + Cine only:

    1 Including EF Cinema Series lenses

    2 Based on a Canon survey.

    3 Among interchangeable SLR camera lenses. Based on a Canon survey.

    4 Among interchangeable camera (SLR and Compact System) lenses, excluding fish-eye lenses. Based on a Canon survey.

    5 Including two EF lens extenders, two models available outside of Japan and fourteen EF Cinema lenses. As of October 17, 2017.

(Note 4 pertains to the 11-24 claim, not to the 130 million claim)

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Holy hell, those numbers might just be EF?  Oh, wow, I presumed for sure 1:1.4 ratio would have to have Rebels driving that ratio.

Checking the actual Canon press release (from Canon, not just the copy above):
http://global.canon/en/news/2017/20171017.html

See notes:  I don't see an 'out' for EF-S, so I am reading the 130M statement as being for EF + Cine only:

    1 Including EF Cinema Series lenses

    2 Based on a Canon survey.

    3 Among interchangeable SLR camera lenses. Based on a Canon survey.

    4 Among interchangeable camera (SLR and Compact System) lenses, excluding fish-eye lenses. Based on a Canon survey.

    5 Including two EF lens extenders, two models available outside of Japan and fourteen EF Cinema lenses. As of October 17, 2017.

(Note 4 pertains to the 11-24 claim, not to the 130 million claim)

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Canon has three categories of lenses: EF, Cine, and Broadcast.  These are Canon's EF lenses:

https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/products/groups/lenses/ef

Have a look through those pages – which include both EF-S and EF-M lenses – and you'll see that your argument doesn't apply. 

Technically, one could argue that "EF Lenses" should not include TS-E ane MP-E lenses, since neither are electrofocus...but Canon just rolls them in, because they do use the EF mount.
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Have a look through those pages – which include both EF-S and EF-M lenses – and you'll see that your argument doesn't apply. 

Technically, one could argue that "EF Lenses" should not include TS-E ane MP-E lenses, since neither are electrofocus...but Canon just rolls them in, because they do use the EF mount.

Indeed -- thanks for correcting me. 

So Rebels are bossing these figures then.  Makes sense.

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That is just 1.4 lenses per camera. Most users do not buy any additional lenses. In the CIPA statistics the figure is about 1.7 which probably is because of independent lens manufacturers

Remember that most of the years in these 30 years were film days. Back then, I think it was not so much a thing for advanced amateurs to collect 5-12 lenses. Multiple lens owners, as I recall, typically owned a mid range and maybe a short telephoto. Later, cheap zooms like the 100-300 were sold with kits in addition to the mid range kit lens. I speculate that if you looked at number of lenses owned in 1990 it would be closer to 1.2 and then today closer to 1.6, with the other .2 today coming from third parties.

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For the comparison Apple sells some 200 million iPhones annually. In total some 220 million IL-cameras were sold in 1987-2016. Of those 71 % were digital. I doubt many people change bodies. In 2011-2013 huge number of bodies were sold as the prices had dropped to reasonable levels. Few have updates those as the sales dropped.

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1.4 lenses per body seems too low. Why buy interchangeable lens body and no extra lenses, or Are third party lenses selling that well?

Because we forum dwellers -- enthusiasts, hobbyists, pros, gearheads, etc. -- are not the market. 

The overwhelming majority of Canonites with ILCs out there are probably slinging Rebels with the 18-55 and that's it. 

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For the comparison Apple sells some 200 million iPhones annually. In total some 220 million IL-cameras were sold in 1987-2016. Of those 71 % were digital. I doubt many people change bodies. In 2011-2013 huge number of bodies were sold as the prices had dropped to reasonable levels. Few have updates those as the sales dropped.

This is nuts. Why people need so many phones?

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Canon is doomed. 

Why do they keep building these big lenses?  They should throw all of those away and make a thin mount for FF mirrorless and start alllllll over.   ;)

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I don't think it is unreasonable to want Canon to get on the ball and produce more fast primes and perhaps a few fast  zooms lenses for their M body offerings. It's frustrating to have to resort to buying 3rd party glass such as a rokinon 16mm for a 2.8 or faster prime lens when Canon clearly has the ability make such a lens however lack the will to do so. I'm among those who would like to stay within Canon's ecosystem but i find myself continuously lusting over Fuji's mirrorless products and wonder if I should jump ship.

Canon seems to keep rehashing the same old variable aperture 3.5-5.6 lens offering for their mirrorless camera's. I'm thinking there has to be a sizeable demographic (myself included) that is hesitant to buy into Canon's mirrorless system bc they lack a real desire to "go all in" on their M line. Does this make the company as a whole doomed? No. Constantly missing an opportunity? Without a doubt.
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Looking at historical milestones:

Canon - 30 million in Jan 2006, 40 million in Apr 2008, 50 million in Jan 2010, 60 million in Jan 2011, 70 million in Oct 2011, 80 million in Aug 2012, 90 million in May 2013, 100 million in Apr 2014, 110 million in Jul 2015, 120 million in Sep 2016, 130 million in Oct 2017

Nikon - 30 million in Nov 2001, 40 million in July 2007, 50 million in Sep 2009, 60 million in Apr 2011, 70 million in May 2012, 80 million in Jun 2013, 90 million in Nov 2014, 100 million in July 2016

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Looking at historical milestones:

Canon - 30 million in Jan 2006, 40 million in Apr 2008, 50 million in Jan 2010, 60 million in Jan 2011, 70 million in Oct 2011, 80 million in Aug 2012, 90 million in May 2013, 100 million in Apr 2014, 110 million in Jul 2015, 120 million in Sep 2016, 130 million in Oct 2017

Nikon - 30 million in Nov 2001, 40 million in July 2007, 50 million in Sep 2009, 60 million in Apr 2011, 70 million in May 2012, 80 million in Jun 2013, 90 million in Nov 2014, 100 million in July 2016

Those are really healthy numbers, for both companies. 

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Looking at historical milestones:

Canon - 30 million in Jan 2006, 40 million in Apr 2008, 50 million in Jan 2010, 60 million in Jan 2011, 70 million in Oct 2011, 80 million in Aug 2012, 90 million in May 2013, 100 million in Apr 2014, 110 million in Jul 2015, 120 million in Sep 2016, 130 million in Oct 2017

Nikon - 30 million in Nov 2001, 40 million in July 2007, 50 million in Sep 2009, 60 million in Apr 2011, 70 million in May 2012, 80 million in Jun 2013, 90 million in Nov 2014, 100 million in July 2016

You are including manual focus and non electronic focus lenses in the Nikon numbers, the Canon numbers are Electrical Focus lenses and do not include the manual focus lenses made before that. 

Nikon did not even make electronic focus lenses in 2001 except for a handful of high end lenses. They did not start making their "G" electrical Focus lenses seriously until about 2007.  Subtract 40 million from the Nikon total to get a apples to apples comparison.

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I think the numbers indicate the total production rather than the "survived" ones. Therefore the 1:1.4 ratio is mathematically correct but statistically incorrect because it does not reflect the ratio of how many lenses and cameras are in use right now. As life expectancy of cameras (typically 10 years) is shorter than lenses (typically 20 years) and within each category also there is some variations, i.e., cheaper rebels are shorter lived than more expensive 1DXs and zooms die faster than primes.
Putting all together, I guess roughly half of the lenses and more than one-third of Canon cameras are still in use and the actual ratio should be a bit more than 2 for Canon. Interestingly, the ratio is higher than the rest of the camera and lens industry (which is reported to be 1.7). From economy perspective, the higher the ratio indicates healthier business, i.e., longer lasting products, which are typically more expensive, surpass the shorter lived cheaper products.   

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What are Nikon's and Sony's statistics?

My guesses are
Nikon:  50MM cameras, 75 MM lens

Sony:  5 MM cameras, 7.5 MM lens

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You are including manual focus and non electronic focus lenses in the Nikon numbers, the Canon numbers are Electrical Focus lenses and do not include the manual focus lenses made before that. 

Nikon did not even make electronic focus lenses in 2001 except for a handful of high end lenses. They did not start making their "G" electrical Focus lenses seriously until about 2007.  Subtract 40 million from the Nikon total to get a apples to apples comparison.

I do not have Nikon numbers for electrical focus lenses only. If you have the official numbers, kindly provide a link.

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For the comparison Apple sells some 200 million iPhones annually. In total some 220 million IL-cameras were sold in 1987-2016. Of those 71 % were digital. I doubt many people change bodies. In 2011-2013 huge number of bodies were sold as the prices had dropped to reasonable levels. Few have updates those as the sales dropped.

This is nuts. Why people need so many phones?
Phones are much more useful than cameras. They can be used for vidoe and voice calls, messaging, email, browsing, music, video. word processing, spreadsheet, presentations, photo editing, photo sharing, dating etc.

In 2016 overall, smartphone sales to end users totaled nearly 1.5 billion units, an increase of 5 percent from 2015.

A lot of end users receive their phones through 1/2/3 year cellphone contracts with their carrier.

For iPhone, carriers have the largest share, at 77% in the twelve months ending September 2017.

Apple Has Sold 1.2 Billion iPhones Over the Past 10 Years.

Of which an estimated total iPhone installed base hit 715 million, including 228 million of second-hand devices, in December 2016, with year-on-year growth of 20%.

So smartphones with camera improvements is "pushed" as a bundled feature to end users rather than "pulled" by end users when we buy a compact, dSLR or mirrorless.

For consumers (aka non-working photogs) with extra money probably buy one IL-camera with one lens and keep it until it becomes unserviceable at which point they make a choice to buy another IL-camera, compact or stick with smartphone.

For us whose passion or profession is photography we find smartphones and even compacts too limiting in our field of interest.

Press news agencies like EPA or Reuters upgrade on a cycle as a competitive advantage mirroring the release of the latest and greatest from Canon & Nikon. I'm sure other photography businesses follow this business practice so long as revenue supports it.

I was able to buy a brand new Android One smartphone for the equivalent of USD50.00 with sales tax. For that amount I'd only be able to buy a memory card.
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