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jthomson

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Re: Adobe Announces Cloud-Based Lightroom CC
« Reply #90 on: October 19, 2017, 12:41:22 PM »
I perfectly understand the Adobe decision - just, please, don't pull our legs...

I'm not trying to pull your leg. It's not just hiding UI bits in the program, it's all the installation/licensing/sales stuff that causes most of the complications. A huge amount of the support stuff I deal with are due to the dual licensing systems, and that's only me!

Now there are two different versions of "Lightroom" with different features to support.  That makes it so much simpler. :o

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Re: Adobe Announces Cloud-Based Lightroom CC
« Reply #90 on: October 19, 2017, 12:41:22 PM »

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Re: Adobe Announces Cloud-Based Lightroom CC
« Reply #91 on: October 19, 2017, 01:04:07 PM »
What advantage are Adobe taking of customers?
If you are using legacy Adobe perpetual license, you still have use of it. If you moved to CC you knew you had access to edits for only as long as you paid for the subscription. I am not sure what you are saying.
What features are not present in the new software that were in the 'old' software?
Are you saying that companies who discontinue products are acting 'immorally'? Does a camera manufacturer act immorally by stopping support for long-defunct lenses that are otherwise optically sound?
Yes, partly I am saying just that (except, we are not talking about long-defunct products). If Canon decided they'd discontinue the EF mount and switched to a completely different mount designed so that it were impossible to design an adaptor, and if they did that not for technical reasons but solely because they wanted their customers to buy all new lenses from them, many people would be seriously pissed, and rightfully so. That would be another example for 'immoral' behavior. It might well be that in this case pressure from the market (probably people would switch to another brand of camera in this case) would prevent such a move, but I feel that pressure from the market should not be the only source of motivation for any company's policies.

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Re: Adobe Announces Cloud-Based Lightroom CC
« Reply #92 on: October 19, 2017, 02:48:02 PM »
If Canon decided they'd discontinue the EF mount and switched to a completely different mount designed so that it were impossible to design an adaptor, and if they did that not for technical reasons but solely because they wanted their customers to buy all new lenses from them, many people would be seriously pissed, and rightfully so.

You mean like when they switched from the FD to the EF mount? <G>

Ok, there were some sound technical reasons... yet Canon for several years didn't get any money from me :)

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Re: Adobe Announces Cloud-Based Lightroom CC
« Reply #93 on: October 20, 2017, 02:43:15 AM »
...another example for 'immoral' behavior.

I'm totally ok with immoral behavior, as long as it didn't hurt anything small, cute, furry, or feathered in the making  ;D

Just make what I want at a price I'm willing to pay, then take my money, please and thank you!

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Re: Adobe Announces Cloud-Based Lightroom CC
« Reply #94 on: October 20, 2017, 11:40:59 AM »
Anyone finding Lightroom running any faster. I'm not. No quicker than before which was slooooow!.
My catalog may be too big regardless.

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Re: Adobe Announces Cloud-Based Lightroom CC
« Reply #95 on: October 20, 2017, 11:48:48 AM »
I've just realized that there is a slider on the bottom of the histogram in the new version of LR CC, that works like the mid point slider in Photoshop's levels pallet.

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Re: Adobe Announces Cloud-Based Lightroom CC
« Reply #96 on: October 20, 2017, 12:14:47 PM »
Anyone finding Lightroom running any faster. I'm not. No quicker than before which was slooooow!.
My catalog may be too big regardless.

My first empirical impression with the updated version of Lightroom Classic was that it is faster when importing and browsing through. But almost the same slow speed as before when converting CR2 files to DNG after importing. Export original size seems to be faster though. I'm using Windows core i7 machine, 64G Ram, NVIDIA 1080 GPU.

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Re: Adobe Announces Cloud-Based Lightroom CC
« Reply #96 on: October 20, 2017, 12:14:47 PM »

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Re: Adobe Announces Cloud-Based Lightroom CC
« Reply #97 on: October 20, 2017, 12:41:54 PM »
Anyone finding Lightroom running any faster. I'm not. No quicker than before which was slooooow!.
My catalog may be too big regardless.

Import and browsing - definitely much faster. Editing - not sure yet as I have not had chance to do much.

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Re: Adobe Announces Cloud-Based Lightroom CC
« Reply #98 on: October 20, 2017, 12:49:13 PM »
"If you are interested in checking out our cloud-based mobile-first software, Lightroom CC, click on Learn More."

I think, mobile-first says it all for me.  Really, no interest in a product that puts mobile first, since my mobile photos are mostly of stuff at Costco sent by text message to my wife to see if she wants it.

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Re: Adobe Announces Cloud-Based Lightroom CC
« Reply #99 on: October 20, 2017, 12:52:09 PM »
First of all, the new range mask is AWESOME.  In the past, in order to adjust exposure on just a range, I would create export, snapshot, create a second export, combine them in Photoshop, and mask them there.  Now, that's so much easier to do directly in LR.

Second...

Anyone finding Lightroom running any faster. I'm not. No quicker than before which was slooooow!.
My catalog may be too big regardless.

Import and browsing - definitely much faster. Editing - not sure yet as I have not had chance to do much.

The browsing speed -- that is, time to open a 30MB CR2 with processing and have it ready to view -- is WARP SPEED compared to before, which was only a touch faster than DPP.   It's essentially now instant for me.
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Re: Adobe Announces Cloud-Based Lightroom CC
« Reply #100 on: October 21, 2017, 12:37:05 PM »
it's disingenuous of MacPhun to put a click-bait survey up just to redirect to a Luminar ad.  It's doubly so fro Canon Rumors to willfully play along.

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Re: Adobe Announces Cloud-Based Lightroom CC
« Reply #101 on: October 21, 2017, 01:41:53 PM »

Meanwhile, the classic version continues to be great, the CC version did not cost anything, and I still don't have any kind of a work flow that lets me automatically sync images to the cloud as I take them for backup purposes, and later transfer them to my NAS and remove them from the cloud.  I don't have a lot of time to fool with trying to figure this out, but it doesn't look obvious right now.

This might be obvious to you, so I apologize in advance - I use a Dropbox folder to store my images. Lightroom imports them to that folder and accesses from there.  Instant backup to the cloud, and auto sync to my laptop from my desktop.   Granted, I only have a half terabyte of images because I'm a hobbiest who aggressively culls 4 out of 5 images, so it might not work for you.  Then again, for a professional, more cloud storage might be a justifiable business 'insurance'.

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Re: Adobe Announces Cloud-Based Lightroom CC
« Reply #102 on: October 21, 2017, 01:49:50 PM »
Then again, for a professional, more cloud storage might be a justifiable business 'insurance'.

I believe a professional photographer would like much more control on whatever he or she stores to the cloud. Especially if the photos have a not little value.

Did anyone read the Adobe TOS about its cloud storage?

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Re: Adobe Announces Cloud-Based Lightroom CC
« Reply #102 on: October 21, 2017, 01:49:50 PM »

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Re: Adobe Announces Cloud-Based Lightroom CC
« Reply #103 on: October 21, 2017, 01:53:43 PM »

It's a much more visible target but I'm sure the cloud servers Adobe is using are far more secure than anything you'll find in the average photographers setup.

Still, there is no discussion.  Adobe is a huge target for hackers, so I'm sure they have spent a lot of $$ on security, but, so did Equifax. 

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Re: Adobe Announces Cloud-Based Lightroom CC
« Reply #104 on: October 21, 2017, 03:46:55 PM »
Since there's a lot of uncertainty in this thread, I decided to install the new CC (since Adobe *very generously* gave it to me for free along with the updated lightroom classic as part of my subscription) and play for a bit.

So here's a little of the critical things I've learned:

* Some people seem to have assumed it's something like running out of a web browser - it's *not*. It's a full local native application.

* It works *fine* without an internet connection. You can have a full copy of every image in your catalog locally, or let it just keep a percentage of the most recently used images local. Changes are synced when you are online.

* It is *fast* - Really fast to scroll through your photos, and edit. I was able to speedily apply edits and review photos while it I was importing ~1500 raws as a test set without any noticeable slowdown. That is a big improvement over classic.

* You can import more photo's than you have available adobe cloud storage for. Edit and play away, no problem - They just won't be synced, and a small warning symbol will appear. So if you like the new CC more, but don't want to pay for the storage upgrade, you don't need to.

* There is no way (as far as I can tell) to decide which photo's are in the cloud and which aren't. I'd love to be able to keep the 20gb default plan, for example, and just sync a small album of my most recent images to edit and review on the run on my iPad.

* You can create albums, and folders to organise these albums in, but they're all 'virtual' and not reflected on your hard drive - So you lose any categorisation you had, and the ability to search through the drive using other tools (I did manage to find my original DNG's in the new catalog directory, organised by how they were in the original import)

* As folks know, a bunch of tools are missing, but on the other hand for a casual user this UI is simple and easy to use (and did I say 'fast' before? :) ). It's up to the end user to decide how important those particular tools are.

* Search is brilliant. I typed in 'bees', and up popped my photo's of bees. I never tagged them - This is adobes cloud based image recognition kicking in, and it's cool. No need to waste time tagging any more, just search for it like in google.

* You can't really control the syncing in the background - If you pay for data, or have poor internet, this is obviously going to be a poor choice.

* You can still back up locally to your NAS. If you set 'keep a copy of all originals', it's easy to find the images in the catalog directory you created, sorted by year/date folders (at least in the case of my import - May have been because that's the structure on my disk from my original catalog import).

* Irritatingly, it makes a copy of the originals when you import, rather than being able to keep a reference, or 'sync' to that folder like with lightroom classic.

* Security is a problem - As someone in the industry, I can tell you that it's almost certain that this service will be compromised at some point. Nothing is private any more. But if you're using services like apple iCloud, or dropbox, or google, well - you already have that problem. (arguably some of these services are likely to be more secure as they have a lot of experience in the running cloud services.)

I have to admit; I actually like it and I'm tempted to pay the extra 5$ a month upgrade fee to get the terabyte of storage and live in the new app.
I can limit the space used on my laptop for images and import photos while travelling - All while knowing that they'll be available on my workstation at home without me needing to do anything. It's compelling.


Adobe are building something new for the changing software world. I suspect that a lot of the fear is justified - Eventually, they will abandon lightroom classic in favour of the new CC. However, they will only happen when most users switch - And they will know this very clearly because since it's all cloud, they can see when users are in lightroom classic vs lightroom cloud.

Hope this helps clear up some of the confusion and doubt (and maybe some of the fear.)

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Re: Adobe Announces Cloud-Based Lightroom CC
« Reply #104 on: October 21, 2017, 03:46:55 PM »