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WWII Kodachrome Images
« on: October 19, 2017, 12:36:55 PM »
I don't recall seeing color images from WW II, so I find these interesting.  I do have some color print film taken in the 1940's or early 1950's by my parents, but the color is virtually faded away, along with the rest of the image.

http://www.cnn.com/style/article/iwm-ww2-color-photography/index.html

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WWII Kodachrome Images
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Re: WWII Kodachrome Images
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2017, 04:18:02 PM »
Thanks for sharing, Mt Spokane.
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Re: WWII Kodachrome Images
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2017, 04:51:57 AM »
Thanks for the link. It's always interesting to see colour photos from the period, as Kodachrome film stock was quite rare in the UK before the late 1950s and obviously Agfachrome wasn't available during WW2!

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Re: WWII Kodachrome Images
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2017, 09:18:39 AM »
Thank you for sharing.

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Re: WWII Kodachrome Images
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2017, 02:22:20 PM »
I tended to use Kodachrome during the 1960s, and into the 1970's because I liked slides.  I also used color print film, and even developed my own monochrome film.  At that time, I never realized that the color print film would fade away, and color Polaroid prints would also vaporize, leaving my Kodachrome Afgachrome, and monochrome film and Polaroid in good shape. I never liked the Afga film, it was usually ASA 10 or even 5 and good exposures eluded me.  Virtually all of my slides were ASA 25 Kodachrome.

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Re: WWII Kodachrome Images
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2017, 03:29:32 PM »
I don't recall seeing color images from WW II, so I find these interesting.  I do have some color print film taken in the 1940's or early 1950's by my parents, but the color is virtually faded away, along with the rest of the image.

http://www.cnn.com/style/article/iwm-ww2-color-photography/index.html

Thanks.

A friend several years back sent me a picture made of him in his high school football uniform. It had faded to red and yellowish white. He wanted to use the picture in a booklet he and siblings were preparing for their dad’s birthday. A black and white result would have been OK.

I scanned it in using Vuescan, probably using the RAW file, but I’m not sure by now. I was surprised at how much detail and color were retrievable by ACR. The result was quite usable in color. It still looked somewhat like an old print, and would have likely looked over-corrected if I had aimed for anything else. I’ve had decent luck with some old Polaroids and even a daguerreotype.

I’ve not tried scanning in any color negatives that old (early sixties). I have had good luck with ones around twenty years old. I’d try negatives before prints if I had both. Vuescan seems to do well with orangy masks from different brands. I wonder if one had a faded negative and its faded print, whether stacking the scans could recover information from both. I’ll likely never have occasion to find out.

I shot some Kodachromes back in my slide period (1966-2000), but mostly Ektachrome, Agfachrome, and Anscochrome, none of which have as much longevity. I do hope to get around to scanning in slides from my 2000 trip in Eastern Europe before they fade any more.

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Re: WWII Kodachrome Images
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2017, 11:35:47 AM »
Thank you for sharing - great pictures! They are probably recovered / retouched though.

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Re: WWII Kodachrome Images
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2017, 12:22:12 PM »
Thank you for sharing - great pictures! They are probably recovered / retouched though.

Why do you think this.  Supposedly there is a 20% loss of the color dye after 185 years. 

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Re: WWII Kodachrome Images
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2017, 12:36:10 PM »
Thank you for sharing - great pictures! They are probably recovered / retouched though.

Why do you think this.  Supposedly there is a 20% loss of the color dye after 185 years.

I could be wrong! They just look too perfect to me. Maybe it's actually possible if they were kept in a certain environment that prevents any kind of degradation?

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Re: WWII Kodachrome Images
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2017, 03:53:06 PM »
It says in the article that they were not retouched or colored. Must have been hidden in a basement, sealed away.

They look so good, must have been shot with a Sony. ;)

Seriously though, those are amazing for being 70 years old. Hard to believe the film would last so long. The clarity is great. That film is almost three times my age.
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Re: WWII Kodachrome Images
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2017, 04:00:41 PM »
They look so good, must have been shot with a Sony. ;)

That was exactly my thought! It must be an A9, 20fps at minimum :)  You can't take such great images with anything less than that.

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Re: WWII Kodachrome Images
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2017, 04:09:16 PM »
It is very cool to see them.  Thanks for sharing.


Interesting on the perceptual level for me; the vast majority of photos I've seen of WWII were monochromatic.   There's a certain drama and overarching dire gloom to the old grainy B&W because of the lack of color that influences the mental perception of the war and the difficulty of war.  I found it really interesting the immediate change of emotion I felt when I saw color photos of the scenes, the woman with the binoculars for example, seems much more human, much more real... as does the street celebration scene. 


The other somewhat comical emotion I felt was that the hospital beds outside felt like a bit out of Faulty Towers or even Monty Python. 


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Re: WWII Kodachrome Images
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2017, 05:29:44 PM »
It is very cool to see them.  Thanks for sharing.


Interesting on the perceptual level for me; the vast majority of photos I've seen of WWII were monochromatic.   There's a certain drama and overarching dire gloom to the old grainy B&W because of the lack of color that influences the mental perception of the war and the difficulty of war.  I found it really interesting the immediate change of emotion I felt when I saw color photos of the scenes, the woman with the binoculars for example, seems much more human, much more real... as does the street celebration scene. 


The other somewhat comical emotion I felt was that the hospital beds outside felt like a bit out of Faulty Towers or even Monty Python.

Those were my thoughts too. Made the people seem more real and able to relate to them better.
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Re: WWII Kodachrome Images
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Re: WWII Kodachrome Images
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2017, 05:37:24 PM »
The Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodachrome is worth reading. Almost halfway down the page is a section called "Archival stability" that suggests why Kodachrome slides taken after 1938 have such a long life during storage in the dark.

The next section suggests that a 35mm Kodachrome slide has about 140 megapixels of resolution and reasons that scanning the slides presents difficulties.

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Re: WWII Kodachrome Images
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2017, 12:16:10 AM »
Very cool photos!  Color on some of them is amazing, considering the time.

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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2017, 12:16:10 AM »