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Re: Lightroom "Classic" New Features Real World Experience
« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2018, 07:25:14 AM »
Actually, TELUS ADSL is 5Mbps up/25Mbps down.  Prior to fiber, I had both cable and dsl, and the upload speeds on both were pretty good (4.3+ sustained uploads on ADSL).

ITU  G.992.3 Annex J e G.992.5 Annex M have a theoretical max speed of 3.5 Mb/s - and you also need to be close enough to the DSLAM (and have good copper between).

I'm not denying you're getting those speed, but it doesn't look a plain ADSL2/ADSL2+ connection over phone copper wires, unless bonding is used. I've never seen those speeds offered over ADSLx, but only where DOCSIS or VDSL are employed (or symmetric solutions).

You're lucky, for most people on ADSL connections, the upload speed is or will become an issue to upload to cloud storage a lot of data.


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Re: Lightroom "Classic" New Features Real World Experience
« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2018, 07:25:14 AM »

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Re: Lightroom "Classic" New Features Real World Experience
« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2018, 10:54:28 AM »
@MountSpokane: Our rate limiting step is the  cable  where we are at the very end. Another factor is that all trafic from here is routed by Paris. True, they sell fiber connections here but even though you get lightin fast connections within the Réunion Island, once you go overseas you are looking at 800k.


@Talys: Adobe did not supply LR CC here at all for a while. They did not want to sell the 'Classic' either. I went through all kinds of things to get it downloaded, finally with the help of a guy in Finland working for Adobe. The French guy was even more ignorant than I. Cloud based services are for the First World. Here they are of no use.Or what if you go to China? the connections are totally unpredictable there, the private customer being at the bottof of the feeding chain.
I live in a rural area, about 70K outside Ottawa, capitol city of Canada. While those in town enjoy download speeds of 50 Mbits/sec and uploads around 8, I have downloads at 500K and uploads at 100K. Then we have the remote communities up north, where the entire community is sharing a 20Mbps satcom link, complete with the associated delay.... high speed internet is not universal, even in the so called first world
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Re: Lightroom "Classic" New Features Real World Experience
« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2018, 02:02:56 PM »
@MountSpokane: Our rate limiting step is the  cable  where we are at the very end. Another factor is that all trafic from here is routed by Paris. True, they sell fiber connections here but even though you get lightin fast connections within the Réunion Island, once you go overseas you are looking at 800k.


@Talys: Adobe did not supply LR CC here at all for a while. They did not want to sell the 'Classic' either. I went through all kinds of things to get it downloaded, finally with the help of a guy in Finland working for Adobe. The French guy was even more ignorant than I. Cloud based services are for the First World. Here they are of no use.Or what if you go to China? the connections are totally unpredictable there, the private customer being at the bottof of the feeding chain.
I live in a rural area, about 70K outside Ottawa, capitol city of Canada. While those in town enjoy download speeds of 50 Mbits/sec and uploads around 8, I have downloads at 500K and uploads at 100K. Then we have the remote communities up north, where the entire community is sharing a 20Mbps satcom link, complete with the associated delay.... high speed internet is not universal, even in the so called first world

I would have thought you could get Hughes Gen 5, but I looked at a map of the spot beams and there is a gaping hole at Ottawa.  I hope they decide that they can cover the area.  I wouldn't wish satellite internat on anyone who had a reasonable alternative, I've been there.  It is great if you have 500K though.  Gen 5 has 30 MB/sec downloads, but the high latency makes many tasks miserable.

My WISP has reasonable latency of 7-11 ms.  Not great, but far better than the satellite internat.

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Re: Lightroom "Classic" New Features Real World Experience
« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2018, 02:18:25 PM »
@MountSpokane: Our rate limiting step is the  cable  where we are at the very end. Another factor is that all trafic from here is routed by Paris. True, they sell fiber connections here but even though you get lightin fast connections within the Réunion Island, once you go overseas you are looking at 800k.


@Talys: Adobe did not supply LR CC here at all for a while. They did not want to sell the 'Classic' either. I went through all kinds of things to get it downloaded, finally with the help of a guy in Finland working for Adobe. The French guy was even more ignorant than I. Cloud based services are for the First World. Here they are of no use.Or what if you go to China? the connections are totally unpredictable there, the private customer being at the bottof of the feeding chain.
I live in a rural area, about 70K outside Ottawa, capitol city of Canada. While those in town enjoy download speeds of 50 Mbits/sec and uploads around 8, I have downloads at 500K and uploads at 100K. Then we have the remote communities up north, where the entire community is sharing a 20Mbps satcom link, complete with the associated delay.... high speed internet is not universal, even in the so called first world


I would have thought you could get Hughes Gen 5, but I looked at a map of the spot beams and there is a gaping hole at Ottawa.  I hope they decide that they can cover the area.  I wouldn't wish satellite internat on anyone who had a reasonable alternative, I've been there.  It is great if you have 500K though.  Gen 5 has 30 MB/sec downloads, but the high latency makes many tasks miserable.

My WISP has reasonable latency of 7-11 ms.  Not great, but far better than the satellite internat.

One of the things that I do at work is satellite ground stations.....hmmmmmm...... We aren't using that 13.5 meter dish😀....... I wonder if anyone would notice? That would give me 160MB bidirectional link if I could afford to pay for the entire X-band transceiver on the satellite.... Probably about 10 dollars a minute if I can negotiate a discount.....

Or I could just wait until the land coms get upgraded.... Fiber is now about 8K away.....
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Re: Lightroom "Classic" New Features Real World Experience
« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2018, 08:30:21 PM »


Or I could just wait until the land coms get upgraded.... Fiber is now about 8K away.....

It might cost less to setup a relay from a hilltop where fiber is located.  You could share it with others and get yours free by charging the others.

Out here in the country, fiber is strange.  A local rural power utility setup fiber to all its customers at no cost to them.  The utilities are prevented by law from selling internet or phone services to users but can wholesale it, so you buy the service from a retail dealer for about the same price as cable internet.

The utility serves only the neighboring county, so it goes about 7 miles from me and stops.  Our utility is not interested in providing Internet, they include quite a bit of city areas so the Rural folks get ignored.

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« Reply #35 on: February 20, 2018, 05:07:41 AM »
I'm curious.  In your region, if Adobe wasn't supplying Lightroom CC (cloud version) and also not Classic  (the one we're used to)... were they promoting any kind of Lightroom at all?

That could become another absurdity of the subscription/cloud model when they feel the need to divide customers among "regions" - because of prices segregation and other silly amenities - and people living in some special locations risk to be excluded, or have anyway  big issue to use software that has no reason not to be easily available there too.

With old licensing methods in you could have a CD shipped or download the installer without much issues.

The issue I'm afraid is marketing people see "exotic" locations only as holiday destinations where "locals" are there only to be at your service for your personal entertainment...

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Re: Lightroom "Classic" New Features Real World Experience
« Reply #36 on: February 22, 2018, 02:52:53 AM »
Out here in the country, fiber is strange.  A local rural power utility setup fiber to all its customers at no cost to them.  The utilities are prevented by law from selling internet or phone services to users but can wholesale it, so you buy the service from a retail dealer for about the same price as cable internet.

The utility serves only the neighboring county, so it goes about 7 miles from me and stops.  Our utility is not interested in providing Internet, they include quite a bit of city areas so the Rural folks get ignored.

One thing I really have to commend TELUS for, is that they've extended PureFibre to many rural communities, some of them with barely four-digit populations in the middle of nowhere (and I think the plan is to have nearly all of them on fiber).   They've also added rural communities concurrent with the metro rollout, so even though many rural areas are waiting for fiber, so are a lot of urban communities.

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Re: Lightroom "Classic" New Features Real World Experience
« Reply #36 on: February 22, 2018, 02:52:53 AM »

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Re: Lightroom "Classic" New Features Real World Experience
« Reply #37 on: March 14, 2018, 12:55:28 AM »
Talys:
In that context, I'm curious.  In your region, if Adobe wasn't supplying Lightroom CC (cloud version) and also not Classic  (the one we're used to)... were they promoting any kind of Lightroom at all?



"Promote" is not the correct word.
The French Adobe shop had no idea how I could get the "Classic" version of LR.
In Helsinki (where I come from) there was a professional person on the phone who helped me to get to the page where the SW was available. Such a possibility was not visible on the French pages at all.
The problems with Photoshop made me download and learn Affinity Photo.
Now, quite recently, I was able to download PS CC but I have not been using it at all.
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« Reply #38 on: March 15, 2018, 06:46:49 PM »

The problems with Photoshop made me download and learn Affinity Photo.

That was a blessing in disguise, Martti :D I also use Affinity and don't regret dumping Photoshop at all

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« Reply #38 on: March 15, 2018, 06:46:49 PM »