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Re: Lightroom "Classic" New Features Real World Experience
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2017, 02:01:44 PM »
I'm not sure what Mt Spokane is referring to about loading to the cloud. He is not referring to the classic version. The other new Lightroom cc is cloud based so this is designed to load the photos into the cloud. This is probably the way of the future as fibre broadband takes off. City users get the faster speeds years in advance of more rural locations.

No, I don't think so, not for volume photography.  I have 180Mbps fiber (both ways), and sure, single 30MB files are individually fast to transfer one way or the other.  But, for example, 30GB of data, or 60GB of data, which can be a half-day's shooting.  As fast as fiber is, it isn't within the realm of SSD or RAID SSD storage on or 10gigabit LAN.  The speed of going from 1 image to the next in Develop matters, and it won't be comparable.

Aslo, people with large libraries go through 10+ TB a year (or even double that).  I'm not sure we'll be seeing 100TB+ cloud storage any time soon.


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Re: Lightroom "Classic" New Features Real World Experience
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2017, 02:01:44 PM »

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Re: Lightroom "Classic" New Features Real World Experience
« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2017, 04:42:02 PM »
don't understand that most PC / Laptops sold struggle with Lightroom and Photoshop. Lightroom in particular is a bloated piece of software.
In summary for me it really like only a minor upgrade with obscure changes that most users won't use.

My very old and ordinary Lenovo X100 sails along with Lightroom and Photoshop very nicely.  I bought it in 2009.  You would have to hunt very hard today to find a laptop that can't run circles around it. 

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Re: Lightroom "Classic" New Features Real World Experience
« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2017, 10:04:46 AM »
I'm not sure what Mt Spokane is referring to about loading to the cloud. He is not referring to the classic version. The other new Lightroom cc is cloud based so this is designed to load the photos into the cloud. This is probably the way of the future as fibre broadband takes off. City users get the faster speeds years in advance of more rural locations.

No, I don't think so, not for volume photography.  I have 180Mbps fiber (both ways), and sure, single 30MB files are individually fast to transfer one way or the other.  But, for example, 30GB of data, or 60GB of data, which can be a half-day's shooting.  As fast as fiber is, it isn't within the realm of SSD or RAID SSD storage on or 10gigabit LAN.  The speed of going from 1 image to the next in Develop matters, and it won't be comparable.

Aslo, people with large libraries go through 10+ TB a year (or even double that).  I'm not sure we'll be seeing 100TB+ cloud storage any time soon.

don't understand that most PC / Laptops sold struggle with Lightroom and Photoshop. Lightroom in particular is a bloated piece of software.
In summary for me it really like only a minor upgrade with obscure changes that most users won't use.

My very old and ordinary Lenovo X100 sails along with Lightroom and Photoshop very nicely.  I bought it in 2009.  You would have to hunt very hard today to find a laptop that can't run circles around it. 

I don't have any inside info on Lightroom but I don't think the reason for it being slow is that its bloated, Sensors get higher and higher megapixel count, which needs more RAM, faster drives (SSDs or even SSDs in raid) and faster graphics cards.

My Home desktop which is from 2009 is doing good, I have an SSD for the main drive but I can't put the photos there, since its only 250GB and I have reached more than 1TB even after deleting many of un-needed photos, the 12GB ram is great for large Panoramas but still I face issues because I always like to keep my most used apps open and since I am a developer I always have few GBs reserved for the needed tools.

Now I am not saying that LR is not to blame, but having high res previews ready can cause serious load on the HDD and Memory,  Having a fast enough PC is part of being a photographer these days.
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Re: Lightroom "Classic" New Features Real World Experience
« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2017, 08:32:27 PM »
I found what seems to be a bug or inconsistency in camera profile generation via X-Rite Passport version 1.1.1 Lightroom module. Lightroom CC Classic.

I used Export with preset --> Color Checker Passport option to generate a camera profile. gave the new profile a name, OK. Profile was successfully generated and saved in:

C:\Users\My_User_Name\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles

I restarted Lightroom but new profile was not showing up in Develop --> Camera Calibration --> Profile.

I repeat the procedure again and again to no avail.


I found the problem and 2 solutions:

The problem:

Profile was created and file was copied to the right folder but the file name contains NO file extension. i.e.

5D IV 24 70 F2.8 II ISO 100 Day Light instead of 5D IV 24 70 F2.8 II ISO 100 Day Light.dcp
notice how .dcp part is missing in the plugin created camera profile file name.

That is why Lightroom did not detect the new camera profile upon restart.


The solution:

1. go to the folder where new camera profile was saved and modify the file name: add .dcp at the end of the file

or

2. instead of using Export with preset --> Color Checker Passport option, use the following procedure:

File --> Export -->Export to: X-Rite Presets

Give your new profile a name in DNG Profile Name box, click export, restart your Lightroom CC Classic.

I am sure that this issue will be fixed sooner or later but for now... this gets the job done.




 
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Re: Lightroom "Classic" New Features Real World Experience
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2017, 08:45:36 AM »
I am totally confused with all the new CC applications.
The LR CC started loading my library to the cloud which is a hopeless task with the connection I have on this island. The Bridge CC has fascinating new features but could not find some pictures on my HD. Photoshop CC seems to be working as well as the CS6 but I do not really understand what I am winning.


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Re: Lightroom "Classic" New Features Real World Experience
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2017, 12:15:48 PM »
I confused the issue with my uploading comments.

LR CC uploads images to the cloud.

With LR Classic CC, you determine which images to upload by placing them in a collection that you set to sync with LR CC cloud.  I think that all Lightroom cloud images sync with LR Classic CC when you do this.

Thats how I use it, so my tablet and phone images sync to my pc via the cloud.  I have not found a way to get images from my cameras to automatically sync to LR CC Cloud, maybe Jeffrey Friedl will write a app?  I can, of course sync to the Canon cloud.

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Re: Lightroom "Classic" New Features Real World Experience
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2017, 08:11:13 AM »
Is anyone else finding LR "Classic" buggy?  It is freezing up on me, screen is going green or other multi-colors.  At times it seems faster, but if it is already exporting, it does not want to do anything else, something I was able to do with the previous LR version.

I could be a fan if it starts operating smoother, but right now, I feel like I am working with software from the 1990's....

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« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2017, 08:11:13 AM »

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« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2017, 12:58:07 PM »
I'm a confused user since LR 1.0. I "refreshed" my 7 year old Windows 10 machine and went to reintall LR. This was not helped by a "technical problem" at Adobe.com that did not have a record of my registrations. Anyway it prompted me to "update" to Lightroom Class CC, which I understand is the subscription model. With a lot of searching I finally found a place where I could download LR 6.13. So all is sweet.
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Re: Lightroom "Classic" New Features Real World Experience
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2018, 07:42:07 AM »
Where I live, I have to choose whether I watch garbage TV series on Netflix or download upgrades.
There is not enough bandwidth to do both.
Even having the LR catalog on Dropbox gives hiccups to Netflix.
I wonder if people living in the 1st world realize what they have.


Well I have what they (you?) don't have.
The Indian Ocean, for instance.
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« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2018, 01:03:55 PM »
Where I live, I have to choose whether I watch garbage TV series on Netflix or download upgrades.
There is not enough bandwidth to do both.
Even having the LR catalog on Dropbox gives hiccups to Netflix.
I wonder if people living in the 1st world realize what they have.


Well I have what they (you?) don't have.
The Indian Ocean, for instance.

I'm rural, so its a choice of a wireless ISP, Satellite or maybe a modem?  I chose Wireless ISP, service is slow, but reasonable.  The tower that transmits ices up in the winter and can knock out service.

About 3 weeks ago, they replaced my radio with a less powerful 5 ghz band unit, and my downloads shot up to over 30 Mbps, so I've been very happy.

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Re: Lightroom "Classic" New Features Real World Experience
« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2018, 01:23:22 PM »
Where I live, I have to choose whether I watch garbage TV series on Netflix or download upgrades.
There is not enough bandwidth to do both.
Even having the LR catalog on Dropbox gives hiccups to Netflix.
I wonder if people living in the 1st world realize what they have.


Well I have what they (you?) don't have.
The Indian Ocean, for instance.



Most people in North America, even when they have relatively slow internet connections, don't get slower internet speeds based on what they watch on "cable" TV, even when that TV is provided over the Internet (like DSL).  Here, the internet uses a side channel with quality of service, reserved bandwidth just for TV, so that a Windows update doesn't screw up your television.  The TV also doesn't slow down the Internet, because otherwise, nobody would ever buy services like DSL (they would get cable).

Except for people who are fortunate enough to have fiber, most people here will have cable or DSL, which means an asymmetric connection, and specifically, much faster downloads than uploads.  Still, in most cases, uploading photos up to the cloud should not affect downstream traffic in any noticeable way.

And finally, if it's important for you to do so, you can always constrain the upload bandwidth (and just take longer to upload your files).

However, all that said, I only briefly had Lightroom CC (no classic) installed.  I'm not sure, on the desktop, why as a photographer I would ever choose it over regular Lightroom CC Classic.  It wouldn't work anyways, because my historical files go on a long time, over many hard drives, and I'd have to upload 10 terrabytes of photos up to the cloud.


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« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2018, 03:24:18 PM »
Still, in most cases, uploading photos up to the cloud should not affect downstream traffic in any noticeable way.

It could. Some protocols are bidirectional, you receive data, but need also to send some data back to signal the transmission is happened as expected. If the upload channel is fully used by a connection, as it often happens with bulk uploads of large files like photos or videos, other connections may have issue to send those packet within the required time, and the source may slow down transmission or re-transmit data thinking the destinations can't cope or didn't receive the data.

ADSL upload channels are deliberately limited by the standard, you can get 3Mb only with special setups, otherwise it's 1Mb. VDSL and fiber allows for much higher upload speed. Some mobile standards are better, as long as the local radio capacity is not exceeded by many users.

The solution is to limit the bandwidth used by the upload channel - or get a connection with better upload speed.

Many cloud storage offerings will be hampered by the lack of adequate speed until they are improved, and it could become soon a driver to invest in faster networks.

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Re: Lightroom "Classic" New Features Real World Experience
« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2018, 08:21:33 PM »
Still, in most cases, uploading photos up to the cloud should not affect downstream traffic in any noticeable way.

It could. Some protocols are bidirectional, you receive data, but need also to send some data back to signal the transmission is happened as expected. If the upload channel is fully used by a connection, as it often happens with bulk uploads of large files like photos or videos, other connections may have issue to send those packet within the required time, and the source may slow down transmission or re-transmit data thinking the destinations can't cope or didn't receive the data.

ADSL upload channels are deliberately limited by the standard, you can get 3Mb only with special setups, otherwise it's 1Mb. VDSL and fiber allows for much higher upload speed. Some mobile standards are better, as long as the local radio capacity is not exceeded by many users.

The solution is to limit the bandwidth used by the upload channel - or get a connection with better upload speed.

Many cloud storage offerings will be hampered by the lack of adequate speed until they are improved, and it could become soon a driver to invest in faster networks.

Actually, TELUS ADSL is 5Mbps up/25Mbps down.  Prior to fiber, I had both cable and dsl, and the upload speeds on both were pretty good (4.3+ sustained uploads on ADSL).

The solution, however, as I mentioned, is to constrain your upload channel to a lower speed, or, better, configure QoS on your network hardware.

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« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2018, 08:21:33 PM »

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Re: Lightroom "Classic" New Features Real World Experience
« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2018, 11:53:24 PM »
@MountSpokane: Our rate limiting step is the  cable  where we are at the very end. Another factor is that all trafic from here is routed by Paris. True, they sell fiber connections here but even though you get lightin fast connections within the RĂ©union Island, once you go overseas you are looking at 800k.


@Talys: Adobe did not supply LR CC here at all for a while. They did not want to sell the 'Classic' either. I went through all kinds of things to get it downloaded, finally with the help of a guy in Finland working for Adobe. The French guy was even more ignorant than I. Cloud based services are for the First World. Here they are of no use.Or what if you go to China? the connections are totally unpredictable there, the private customer being at the bottof of the feeding chain.
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Re: Lightroom "Classic" New Features Real World Experience
« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2018, 02:04:35 AM »
@Talys: Adobe did not supply LR CC here at all for a while. They did not want to sell the 'Classic' either. I went through all kinds of things to get it downloaded, finally with the help of a guy in Finland working for Adobe. The French guy was even more ignorant than I. Cloud based services are for the First World. Here they are of no use.Or what if you go to China? the connections are totally unpredictable there, the private customer being at the bottof of the feeding chain.

By the way, please don't get me wrong; I'm not advocating for the cloud-only LR.  I am not a fan, simply because I think that 30MB-100MB files are way to freaking huge to put up to the cloud automatically.  At least, not until fiber as fast as SSDs are common and people can get a tens or hundreds of terabytes of cloud storage as an affordable service.

In the absence of that, cloud services for something like Lightroom should be, at most, "sync these specific folders".  Whether your upload speed is 1, 3, 5 or 15 megabits really doesn't make a difference.  A 128GB SD card will take forever to upload.  I mean, it's brutal even at 200 megabits, which is blazing fast for the internet, and still relatively slow for local storage.

In that context, I'm curious.  In your region, if Adobe wasn't supplying Lightroom CC (cloud version) and also not Classic  (the one we're used to)... were they promoting any kind of Lightroom at all?

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« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2018, 02:04:35 AM »