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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the Full-frame a7R III
« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2017, 10:16:08 AM »
"...It can also do a6500-style 'live view' continuous shooting at up to 8 fps. It's not the blackout-free shooting of the a9, but the instantaneous 'live' frames at 8 fps can help you keep up with the action despite this being, in practice, simply 8 live frames per second with black frames inserted in between (which we're told is much like the a6500 we tested)." [https://www.dpreview.com/news/3426999280/sony-a7r-iii-promises-faster-bursts-better-focusing-and-longer-battery-life]

Very disappointing. This is the main reason why I have never "made the switch to Fuji" after buying my X-T1 -it's horrendous doing any kind of continuous shooting watching a slideshow of your last photo. I guess they are keeping uninterrupted live view during capture a distinguishing feature of the "higher" A9 line (with a new hi-res A9 to follow next year?).

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the Full-frame a7R III
« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2017, 10:16:08 AM »

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the Full-frame a7R III
« Reply #31 on: October 25, 2017, 10:20:15 AM »
a7RII -> a7RIII, no meaningful improvement in image quality, what will DPR say about image quality?

You say this as fact. What data use for making fact?

The sensor in the a7RIII is the same as the sensor in the a7RII.  Perhaps there will be measurable improvements in the RAW image quality, but claims of a full stop seem unlikely, at best. 


Not moving, and really static:
"The camera must also wait either 0.5, 1, or 2 seconds between shots for the sensor to settle"

Suitable for product work and still life, not for landscapes that have any moving objects (like grass in wind, leaves, water, clouds).

Same condition HDR merge.

I shoot bracketed shots for HDR with ~83 milliseconds between frames – the lag with the a7RIII pixel shift is 6- to 25-times longer.  So, not the same conditions.
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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the Full-frame a7R III
« Reply #32 on: October 25, 2017, 10:49:39 AM »
I was really hoping for more megapixels.

I liked the A7RII when I rented one. For my uses, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of difference to justify the extra thousand bucks for the newest version.

With the rumored A9R, maybe Sony is segregating their product line like a competitor does...


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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the Full-frame a7R III
« Reply #33 on: October 25, 2017, 10:54:30 AM »
what about x2 better battery life?  ;D

I was really hoping for more megapixels.

I liked the A7RII when I rented one. For my uses, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of difference to justify the extra thousand bucks for the newest version.

With the rumored A9R, maybe Sony is segregating their product line like a competitor does...

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the Full-frame a7R III
« Reply #34 on: October 25, 2017, 10:59:36 AM »
I could buy one or two extra batteries out of the thousand  buck price difference... :)

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the Full-frame a7R III
« Reply #35 on: October 25, 2017, 11:05:21 AM »


With the rumored A9R, maybe Sony is segregating their product line like a competitor does...

WASH YOUR MOUTH OUT YOU DIRTY BOY!!!

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the Full-frame a7R III
« Reply #36 on: October 25, 2017, 11:09:39 AM »
exactly. ;)

I could buy one or two extra batteries out of the thousand  buck price difference... :)

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the Full-frame a7R III
« Reply #36 on: October 25, 2017, 11:09:39 AM »

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the Full-frame a7R III
« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2017, 11:18:10 AM »
a7RII -> a7RIII, no meaningful improvement in image quality, what will DPR say about image quality?

You say this as fact. What data use for making fact?

I can't believe I'm +1-ing Snoke ;), but I am.

I would not presume the lack of an MP bump means it has the same sensor.  If this thing is one stop better in high ISO, delivers 15 stops base ISO DR, etc. I would that a meaningful improvement in image quality.

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the Full-frame a7R III
« Reply #38 on: October 25, 2017, 11:18:48 AM »
Unless im mistaken... No GPS?

One of my absolute favorite features of the new canon cameras is low power GPS.

Looks like a great camera, seems again a play by play what else can we cram into a body that most people outside Asia cant grip properly.

I love the direction and look forward to Canons entry, although im sure it will take time to mature.
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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the Full-frame a7R III
« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2017, 11:20:00 AM »
a7RII -> a7RIII, no meaningful improvement in image quality, what will DPR say about image quality?

You say this as fact. What data use for making fact?

The sensor in the a7RIII is the same as the sensor in the a7RII.  Perhaps there will be measurable improvements in the RAW image quality, but claims of a full stop seem unlikely, at best. 

Was this confirmed in the video, or just presumed by Phoblographer because they saw the same MP count?

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the Full-frame a7R III
« Reply #40 on: October 25, 2017, 11:23:00 AM »
The sensor in the a7RIII is the same as the sensor in the a7RII. 

Was this confirmed in the video, or just presumed by Phoblographer because they saw the same MP count?

Imaging Resource explicitly stated that it's the same image sensor as in the a7RII.  The increase in DR is attributed to new supporting circuitry resulting in a lower noise floor.
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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the Full-frame a7R III
« Reply #41 on: October 25, 2017, 11:30:18 AM »
I have to say, I would have bet a lot of money that Sony would -- in its Borg-like relentless way -- have addressed the shortcoming of that small A7/A9 body.

Presently, though it is delightfully small in comparison to an FF SLR, the A7 II/A9 design:

  • Has too small of a grip for the f/1.4 primes and f/2.8 zooms some folks will use on it 100% of the time
  • Has a grip that is too close to the mount, creating some awkward cramped finger situations
  • Does not have the real estate for larger batteries due to the size of the grip

Small is great and clearly is driving enthusiasts to the brand.  But a larger and appropriately located grip would better handle those big GM lenses, allow room for more controls and a larger battery, and it would only take up more space in your bag with the lens detached (see attached for what I mean). 

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the Full-frame a7R III
« Reply #42 on: October 25, 2017, 11:31:33 AM »
Dual SD slots plus more importantly has USB type-C(for tethering) and micro USB(for power) which such a cool feature and really useful.

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the Full-frame a7R III
« Reply #42 on: October 25, 2017, 11:31:33 AM »

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the Full-frame a7R III
« Reply #43 on: October 25, 2017, 11:33:12 AM »
The sensor in the a7RIII is the same as the sensor in the a7RII. 

Was this confirmed in the video, or just presumed by Phoblographer because they saw the same MP count?

Imaging Resource explicitly stated that it's the same image sensor as in the a7RII.  The increase in DR is attributed to new supporting circuitry resulting in a lower noise floor.

Wow.  Has Sony ever recycled sensors like this inside of one product line?  We presume they've used that same 42 MP (or something very close to it) in the RX1R II and A99-II, but to make a generational improvement with a 'III' design and use the heart of the 'II' platform's tech is somewhat surprising.

They've done this on at least one of their RX100 revisions if memory serves, but that's not this class of camera.

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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the Full-frame a7R III
« Reply #44 on: October 25, 2017, 11:54:19 AM »


Same condition HDR merge.

I shoot bracketed shots for HDR with ~83 milliseconds between frames – the lag with the a7RIII pixel shift is 6- to 25-times longer.  So, not the same conditions.

One of the unanticipated, but obvious with hindsight, advantages I have found with the 1DX MkII frame rate is the speed with which I can take multiple bracketed images in real world shooting conditions, because it does it so much faster than the 1Ds MkIII used to the stitching/blending software has a much easier time with moving foliage.
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Re: Off Brand: Sony Announces the Full-frame a7R III
« Reply #44 on: October 25, 2017, 11:54:19 AM »