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Another Mention of a Canon Non-L Telephoto Zoom [CR2]
« on: November 06, 2017, 04:13:04 PM »
News about the long rumored supertelephoto zoom from Canon has gone quiet over the last 6 months or so, but we’re now being told the lens is coming in 2018, though the exact time of the announcement is currently unknown. Though the source did say it would not be coming for CES or CP+ in the first quarter of 2018.

As you know, there has been patents for a 200-600mm f/4.5-5.6 IS optical formula in the past. The source did say any super telephoto zoom such as this will not be an L lens, as to not “step on” the EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS II and to keep the retail price in line with the consumers that buy these type of lenses. Likely, it’s also to remain price competitive with both Sigma and Tamron.

We still do not know which two lenses appeared for certification recently, but we hope to know more soon.

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Another Mention of a Canon Non-L Telephoto Zoom [CR2]
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Re: Another Mention of a Canon Non-L Telephoto Zoom [CR2]
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2017, 04:24:51 PM »
This is one thing I'm interested in.  I have a Sigma 150-600C for which the price was right ($700) and the optics are quite good.  However, the handling is so-so (the zoom ring turns way too far to go from end to end easily) the IS is a little jumpy and the AF accuracy is a little hit and miss on moving subjects.

Ideally, I'd like a 100-600/4.5-5.6 for about twice the price of the Sigma, that handled, focused and stabilized like a Canon.  I absolutely love the handling, focusing and stabilization of my 70-200/2.8L IS II, even with 2x TC attached.

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Re: Another Mention of a Canon Non-L Telephoto Zoom [CR2]
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2017, 04:26:00 PM »
News about the long rumored supertelephoto zoom from Canon has gone quiet over the last 6 months or so, but we’re now being told the lens is coming in 2018, though the exact time of the announcement is currently unknown. Though the source did say it would not be coming for CES or CP+ in the first quarter of 2018.</p>
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<p>As you know, there has been <a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/patent-canon-ef-200-600mm-f4-5-5-6-is/">patents for a 200-600mm f/4.5-5.6 IS optical formula</a> in the past. The source did say any super telephoto zoom such as this will not be an L lens, as to not “step on” the EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS II and to keep the retail price in line with the consumers that buy these type of lenses. Likely, it’s also to remain price competitive with both Sigma and Tamron.</p>
<p>We still do not know <a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/new-unreleased-canon-gear-has-appeared-for-certification/">which two lenses appeared for certification recently</a>, but we hope to know more soon.</p>
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EF 600mm f/5.6 IS long end + competitive in price to the Sigma/Tamron = CR2? Unless it's a plastic fantastic with STM and a bone simple design and construction, I don't see how that's possible. 

Canon would have to give this lens away at non-existent margins (much like I suspect Nikon is doing the same with their 200-500 5.6 VR).

Consider me exceptionally skeptical of this rumor.  I think this a longer-than-400mm zoom is in development, but it'll end up being one of these instead:

  • An EF first to allow f/6.3 max aperture (to keep that entrance pupil smaller and less expensive)
  • Shorter than 600mm long end, 500 f/5.6 could be possible in a cheaper lens (ask Nikon)
  • ...or it will be 100-400L II level in quality and cost a mint, say $3k

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Re: Another Mention of a Canon Non-L Telephoto Zoom [CR2]
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2017, 06:08:22 PM »
I want it to be #3, but I think Canon’s definition of a mint is different than yours. They still need to protect the 200-400 f/4 IS. 

I am either expecting a $6k-$8k Lens or a plastic fantastic lens. Fortunately for us, their recent plastic fantastics haven’t been half bad. I am thinking a larger version of the 70-300 non-L.

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Re: Another Mention of a Canon Non-L Telephoto Zoom [CR2]
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2017, 06:47:58 PM »
Canon would have to give this lens away at non-existent margins (much like I suspect Nikon is doing the same with their 200-500 5.6 VR).

Consider me exceptionally skeptical of this rumor.

A 600 f5.6 requires an apparent aperture of over 107mm (exactly the same as a 300mm f2.8 ) a 500 f5.6 can get by without 'bending the figures' with a smaller than 90mm apparent aperture. There is no way on earth Canon can be competitive with a 200-500 in a 200-600 of the same aperture. They can't fudge the figures like the third parties do either.

In my opinion that leaves a 200-600 f5.6 >$4,000 'cheap lens' option and a 200-500 f5.6 $2,500 competitive option. You can't make a 107mm front element down to the price range of a 90mm front element out of anything but the bottom of a beer glass, and that would suck anyway.
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Re: Another Mention of a Canon Non-L Telephoto Zoom [CR2]
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2017, 07:17:09 PM »
A 600 f5.6 requires an apparent aperture of over 107mm (exactly the same as a 300mm f2.8 ) a 500 f5.6 can get by without 'bending the figures' with a smaller than 90mm apparent aperture. There is no way on earth Canon can be competitive with a 200-500 in a 200-600 of the same aperture. They can't fudge the figures like the third parties do either.

In my opinion that leaves a 200-600 f5.6 >$4,000 'cheap lens' option and a 200-500 f5.6 $2,500 competitive option. You can't make a 107mm front element down to the price range of a 90mm front element out of anything but the bottom of a beer glass, and that would suck anyway.

...or Canon allows f/6.3 use on EF with all the advancements made in AF throughout the line.

I could see a plasticky 200-500 f/5-6.3 nano USM (or STM) coming in around $1500 or so.

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Re: Another Mention of a Canon Non-L Telephoto Zoom [CR2]
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2017, 07:59:31 PM »
A 600 f5.6 requires an apparent aperture of over 107mm (exactly the same as a 300mm f2.8 ) a 500 f5.6 can get by without 'bending the figures' with a smaller than 90mm apparent aperture. There is no way on earth Canon can be competitive with a 200-500 in a 200-600 of the same aperture. They can't fudge the figures like the third parties do either.

In my opinion that leaves a 200-600 f5.6 >$4,000 'cheap lens' option and a 200-500 f5.6 $2,500 competitive option. You can't make a 107mm front element down to the price range of a 90mm front element out of anything but the bottom of a beer glass, and that would suck anyway.

...or Canon allows f/6.3 use on EF with all the advancements made in AF throughout the line.

I could see a plasticky 200-500 f/5-6.3 nano USM (or STM) coming in around $1500 or so.

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Maybe, but the post refers to the 200-600 f4.5-5.6 IS patent from a while ago, and I just don't see that as any kind of budget option from the need for big glass alone.
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Re: Another Mention of a Canon Non-L Telephoto Zoom [CR2]
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2017, 07:59:31 PM »

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Re: Another Mention of a Canon Non-L Telephoto Zoom [CR2]
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2017, 08:14:14 PM »
A 600 f5.6 requires an apparent aperture of over 107mm (exactly the same as a 300mm f2.8 ) a 500 f5.6 can get by without 'bending the figures' with a smaller than 90mm apparent aperture. There is no way on earth Canon can be competitive with a 200-500 in a 200-600 of the same aperture. They can't fudge the figures like the third parties do either.

In my opinion that leaves a 200-600 f5.6 >$4,000 'cheap lens' option and a 200-500 f5.6 $2,500 competitive option. You can't make a 107mm front element down to the price range of a 90mm front element out of anything but the bottom of a beer glass, and that would suck anyway.

...or Canon allows f/6.3 use on EF with all the advancements made in AF throughout the line.

I could see a plasticky 200-500 f/5-6.3 nano USM (or STM) coming in around $1500 or so.

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Maybe, but the post refers to the 200-600 f4.5-5.6 IS patent from a while ago, and I just don't see that as any kind of budget option from the need for big glass alone.

Why assume patent for product? Maybe product patent pending.

Others right about f/6.3 AF. How many Canon DSLR have f/8 AF capability?

EF-1.4x/2x tele-converter compatible?

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Re: Another Mention of a Canon Non-L Telephoto Zoom [CR2]
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2017, 09:07:25 PM »
Most probably will be nano-USM not STM or full size USM motors.

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Re: Another Mention of a Canon Non-L Telephoto Zoom [CR2]
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2017, 11:01:41 PM »
it could be anything..... even a crop lens to replace the 18-200.... That lens is quite long in the tooth and an 18-300 or even an 18-400 would probably sell well.....
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Re: Another Mention of a Canon Non-L Telephoto Zoom [CR2]
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2017, 11:20:33 PM »
Most probably will be nano-USM not STM or full size USM motors.

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Non-L + Ring USM + zoom lens = a thing of the past.  We haven't seen a new ring USM non-L zoom since the EF-S 15-85 IS USM in 2009.

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Re: Another Mention of a Canon Non-L Telephoto Zoom [CR2]
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2017, 11:31:29 PM »
Canon has made several EF-M lenses with max aperture of f/6.3 at the long end, and the EOS 80D and higher can focus at f/8 (will probably carry to lower lines eventually), so I can see how Canon will release a cheapo super tele to keep in with the competition.

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Re: Another Mention of a Canon Non-L Telephoto Zoom [CR2]
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2017, 12:12:03 AM »
Canon has made several EF-M lenses with max aperture of f/6.3 at the long end, and the EOS 80D and higher can focus at f/8 (will probably carry to lower lines eventually), so I can see how Canon will release a cheapo super tele to keep in with the competition.
Yeah, Im thinking a 200-500 that goes to f/6.3, and has a body-style of say the 55-250 could be put out in the $1000-1200 range. I guess thats the other possibility. They actually target budget users, make it EF-S, and can make a much more reasonably sized lens as a result. But EF-S hasnt really been their style for quite some time.

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« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2017, 12:12:03 AM »

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« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2017, 12:19:32 AM »
This is at least the third go round for this rumor and after much discussion previously, I’ve settled on this:

XXX-500mm f5.6 “L” selling for between $2500 and $3500. (XXX representing anywhere from 150-200mm)

I believe those who say an f5.6 600mm zoom would not be affordable. Although Canon has been upgrading all its enthusiast to pro lines with f8 focusing, I’m still doubting they would release a 6.3 lens.

Canon does not need to compete with Sigma or Tamron on price and making a weak performing lens is not in their best interest. They are better off offering a high quality lens and putting a red ring on it to attract enthusiasts who will pair it with the new 7D III. As for hurting sales of the 200-400 I don’t think companies are as worried about that as forum participants imagine.

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Re: Another Mention of a Canon Non-L Telephoto Zoom [CR2]
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2017, 03:49:46 AM »
Now even midclass crop cameras have f8 Focus. For a 600mm lens this would require a 75mm fron element, which sounds reasonable for a "Budget" lens.

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