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Re: We May Be Waiting a Little While Longer for a New 50mm Lens [CR2]
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2017, 01:31:34 PM »
I already hear the keen cry of anguish from one CR member, in particular.

It's cool.  I'm fine.  I'm just going to print this post out and stare at it quietly while playing The Cure in my room.

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Re: We May Be Waiting a Little While Longer for a New 50mm Lens [CR2]
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Re: We May Be Waiting a Little While Longer for a New 50mm Lens [CR2]
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2017, 01:33:21 PM »
I already hear the keen cry of anguish from one CR member, in particular.

But...but...we are getting a new 50mm. The Canon TS-E 50mm f/2.8L Macro Tilt-Shift Lens. It's supposed to be available in early December. Just in time for Christmas. Of course I've seen no reviews of any of these new tilt-shift lenses from Canon. But at $2,199USD each (the 50mm, 90mm, and 135mm: are all priced the same at B&H) it has to be an awesome lens! Right?

 ::)

Lie to me.  Paint the letters 'USM' on that 50 T/S lens and you might get my money.

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Re: We May Be Waiting a Little While Longer for a New 50mm Lens [CR2]
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2017, 01:40:32 PM »
My question is this:  for all those of you that know what I'd ideally want -- a compact (and not necessarily face-meltingly sharp) 50 f/1.4 IS USM like the 35 f/2 IS -- what happens if the next new 50 is an L like the 85 f/1.4L IS?

Such a lens will likely be too big for me.  I want a compact double gauss lens.

Seeing as it might be last new 50 we get for 5-10 years after that f/1.4L IS is announced, do I cave and get the f/1.2L because it's still relatively compact?  Do I except all of it's flaws (finnicky AF, non-flat field, really a specialty tool for wide open shooting) or wait even longer for a non-L replacement?

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Re: We May Be Waiting a Little While Longer for a New 50mm Lens [CR2]
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2017, 01:49:25 PM »
@ ahsanford: I'm waiting for the same 50mm prime as for which you have valiantly lobbied, but if it is released in "pickle jar" L format, I would be sorely tempted to buy it. After all, I'm already accustomed to large, heavy glass (I have several L zooms), and I do like me some sharpness.

Besides, the best thing I could do to induce Canon to produce the lens we really want would be to buy its L predecessor first!
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Re: We May Be Waiting a Little While Longer for a New 50mm Lens [CR2]
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2017, 01:54:46 PM »
@ ahsanford: I'm waiting for the same 50mm prime as for which you have valiantly lobbied, but if it is released in "pickle jar" L format, I would be sorely tempted to buy it. After all, I'm already accustomed to large, heavy glass (I have several L zooms), and I do like me some sharpness.

Besides, the best thing I could do to induce Canon to produce the lens we really want would be to buy its L predecessor first!

Sure.  Many folks would give their $1500 for the resolution of a Sigma 50 Art with the confidence/reliability/consistency of Canon AF.  No explanation needed there.

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Re: We May Be Waiting a Little While Longer for a New 50mm Lens [CR2]
« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2017, 02:57:53 PM »
I already hear the keen cry of anguish from one CR member, in particular.

It's cool.  I'm fine.  I'm just going to print this post out and stare at it quietly while playing The Cure in my room.

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Pornography because there's no 50 in sight or The Top because everything is spinning and confusing? (The Top is my favorite)

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Re: We May Be Waiting a Little While Longer for a New 50mm Lens [CR2]
« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2017, 02:59:42 PM »
My question is this:  for all those of you that know what I'd ideally want -- a compact (and not necessarily face-meltingly sharp) 50 f/1.4 IS USM like the 35 f/2 IS -- what happens if the next new 50 is an L like the 85 f/1.4L IS?

Such a lens will likely be too big for me.  I want a compact double gauss lens.

Seeing as it might be last new 50 we get for 5-10 years after that f/1.4L IS is announced, do I cave and get the f/1.2L because it's still relatively compact?  Do I except all of it's flaws (finnicky AF, non-flat field, really a specialty tool for wide open shooting) or wait even longer for a non-L replacement?

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One option would be to go ahead and get the f1.2L, if that lens is something that would actually work for you.  The chances don't look good for anything showing up for about a year, and maybe quite a bit longer than that.  As you point out, if a 50L does show up it is likely to be pretty hefty.  Realistically it doesn't seem as though the 50 you want is likely to show up anytime soon, and you would have the 50L in the meantime.  If the right 50 does appear, then it would be time to sell the f1.2, after having its use in the meantime. 

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Re: We May Be Waiting a Little While Longer for a New 50mm Lens [CR2]
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Re: We May Be Waiting a Little While Longer for a New 50mm Lens [CR2]
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2017, 03:14:31 PM »
One option would be to go ahead and get the f1.2L, if that lens is something that would actually work for you.  The chances don't look good for anything showing up for about a year, and maybe quite a bit longer than that.  As you point out, if a 50L does show up it is likely to be pretty hefty.  Realistically it doesn't seem as though the 50 you want is likely to show up anytime soon, and you would have the 50L in the meantime.  If the right 50 does appear, then it would be time to sell the f1.2, after having its use in the meantime.

^^ This. ^^

I think I'm getting a 50L refurb and then flipping it if something better comes along.  I don't buy gear and flip it like this -- I make careful targeted pickups to fill needs I have.  But this one small part of my limited armamentarium (5D3 + 8 lenses + T/C + two speedlites +  healthy bit of landscape gear) is actually holding me back photographically. 

My 50 f/1.4 USM is fine for general shooting and the AF is okay in my copy, but I use it f/2.8 or narrower and I miss certain moments when the AF decides to hunt.  I'd like a large aperture instrument around 50mm that I can count on with first party ring USM.

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Re: We May Be Waiting a Little While Longer for a New 50mm Lens [CR2]
« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2017, 03:54:21 PM »
I'm just hoping whatever eventually appears puts a big dent into the second hand value of the 50mm f/1.2 L.  That would suit me perfectly.

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Re: We May Be Waiting a Little While Longer for a New 50mm Lens [CR2]
« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2017, 04:10:37 PM »
I'm just hoping whatever eventually appears puts a big dent into the second hand value of the 50mm f/1.2 L.  That would suit me perfectly.

You can get a refurb in the mid $900s from Canon during one of their sales.  Those lenses are usually in top shape (far better than the scratch n' ding used items you'd get at KEH, B&H, etc.) and you get a 1 year Canon warranty.  That would be my move for a 50L for sure.

But I'd so go in with full retail asking on day one on a 50mm f/1.4 version of the 35mm f/2 IS USM as would (I'd imagine) an army of people here.  Provided a relatively compact double gauss setup remained, I'd pay $999 for that on day one.

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Re: We May Be Waiting a Little While Longer for a New 50mm Lens [CR2]
« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2017, 06:34:22 PM »

I think we must remember that Canon is a business and they aim to make money. I realise that a fast high quality 50 is exciting to those of us who read here but I suspect Canon's research probably finds little interest, or at least not enough for them to be making it a priority.

The problem will come down to crowding. Those who want an inexpensive 50mm lens have the 1.8 or even the 1.4 really. Those who want a beautiful, exotic L version have the 1.2 L. Those who want the last word in sharpness have likely bought either the Sigma Art or the Otus 55. Those who want a nice mix of sharpness and bokeh can still buy the old Sigma EX version. Some of those who were really wanting IS have maybe already bought the Tamron 45.

Amid all of this where would Canon go? Try to go after Art/Otus optical performance and it is going to be huge and expensive.

As it happens I think there are things they could do that would sell. A 50 1.4 L IS in a similar vein to the new 85 1.4 L IS could complement the more "artistic" 1.2 in the same way they plan to with the 85. Or a 50 1.8 IS similar to the 35/2 IS would be popular.

However would they sell enough given the plethora of other options buyers have? I am sure they will be developing such lenses and they will come eventually but I really doubt the noise online matches the results of market research or Canon would be there already.

As for what I would like - well I like what Nikon did with the 58/1.4 and think that having a 50 and a 58 gives them some more room for different types of lenses. I think the best "50" ever made was the old Nikon Noct 58/1.2 and it wasn't even that big - a Canon Noct with that sort of rendering at 58 and a new 1.4 L with a clean clinical look at 50 would be a nice choice to have.

I also think Canon is a bit mad not to release a new 50 1.0. You only have to look at eBay to see they sell for a fortune. I realise that that lens was never actually very good and indeed the 50 1.2 is probably better in every respect but still it would be great to see what they could do with it with modern tech and coatings and it would be a nice way to rub Nikon's nose in the fact they can't do the same. I also think the world has changed and there is a growing slice of photographers who are obsessed with buying the absolutely best or most extreme. Almost nobody really needs an 11-24, a Leica 0.95 lens, any of the Otus lenses etc but for a variety of reasons some people are happy to pay several thousand dollars for them. I think those people would buy a 50 1.0 L II as fast as they could be made.

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Re: We May Be Waiting a Little While Longer for a New 50mm Lens [CR2]
« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2017, 06:35:30 PM »
That's OK Canon, I'll buy a Sigma instead...

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Re: We May Be Waiting a Little While Longer for a New 50mm Lens [CR2]
« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2017, 06:58:11 PM »
That's OK Canon, I'll buy a Sigma instead...

It won't have the new and improved AF motor the 85 & 135 have. Still hunts and is not that accurate. Great optics yes (I have owned two) Now if they made a Mark 2, it would be amaze balls. Jelly jar full of amaze balls.

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Re: We May Be Waiting a Little While Longer for a New 50mm Lens [CR2]
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Re: We May Be Waiting a Little While Longer for a New 50mm Lens [CR2]
« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2017, 07:10:09 PM »
How Canon works is bizarre. They are happy to release mk II or even mk III versions of lenses 5-7 years old, but continue to make clunkers from the 1990's like the 50 f/1.4, 300 f/4L IS 400 f/5.6L and not update lenses like the 135 f/2, 200 f/2.8, 180 f/3.5 macro. A 50mm is a popular lens and others have much better offerings. It's about the easiest lens to design and here we are in 2017 and still nothing in sight. Probably get the $20K 600 f/4 DO long before we get a new 50mm.

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Re: We May Be Waiting a Little While Longer for a New 50mm Lens [CR2]
« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2017, 07:10:52 PM »
Waiting for 50mmLensdot  Or, was that 50mmLensdough?
Will someone get Vladimir on the line post haste, eh?
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