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The BCN Camera Rankings Are Out, Canon Leads in DSLR & Compacts
« on: November 15, 2017, 02:23:20 PM »
Update: We posted these in error, BCN redid their web site, but have not added new sales data. We apologize for the mistake.

The BCN camera market share rankings (Japan) are out and Canon continues to lead the compact and DSLR & compact categories and has placed 2nd in the mirrorless category.

Point & Shoot Compact Rankings: (2016 marketshare in brackets)

  1. Canon 27.3% (2016: 30.5%)
  2. Nikon 22.1%
  3. Casio 19.3%

DSLR Rankings:

  1. Canon 63.3% (2016: 56.2%)
  2. Nikon 31.6%
  3. Ricoh (Pentax) 4.8%

Mirrorless ILC Rankings:

  1. Olympus 26.8%
  2. Canon 18.5% (2016: 13.6%)
  3. Sony 17.9%

Canon is up big year over year in DSLR and mirrorless market share. This coincides with what I’ve been told the marketshare split in Canada is, apparently they have 72% marketshare in DSLRs and over 50% if you include mirrorless ILC cameras.

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The BCN Camera Rankings Are Out, Canon Leads in DSLR & Compacts
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Re: The BCN Camera Rankings Are Out, Canon Leads in DSLR & Compacts
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2017, 02:28:15 PM »
When it's put in hard numbers like that it makes you realize how completely out of touch most of us forum dwellers are about the camera market. Canon are number 2 to Olympus in mirrorless, with Sony third and Fuji not mentioned, maybe the DRones will take the sales figures argument with a bit more grace now? Only kidding.......
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Re: The BCN Camera Rankings Are Out, Canon Leads in DSLR & Compacts
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2017, 02:28:26 PM »
So Canon just overtook Sony in Mirrorless sales (in Japan at least).

Dual Pixel AF is paying off better than anyone could have imagined.

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Re: The BCN Camera Rankings Are Out, Canon Leads in DSLR & Compacts
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2017, 02:30:16 PM »
Exclusive Sony users are gonna be really butthurt. There beloved brand cannot compete with Canon.



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Re: The BCN Camera Rankings Are Out, Canon Leads in DSLR & Compacts
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2017, 02:33:20 PM »
I've had my M5 for just two weeks now, and It's truly an amazing camera. I hated all of the previous M's, but the M5 is pretty dope. I can see how Canon will easily take top spot one the FF M comes around. I'm saving my money now. :) I just hope the FF M has a native EF mount.
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Re: The BCN Camera Rankings Are Out, Canon Leads in DSLR & Compacts
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2017, 02:33:34 PM »
this is old data.

these rankings came out in January.

BCN's annual rankings aren't going to come out for another 4 months from now.

they just simply redid their website.

https://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/2016-companies-market-shares-japan/

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Re: The BCN Camera Rankings Are Out, Canon Leads in DSLR & Compacts
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2017, 02:33:53 PM »
Oh NO! Canon is doomed .... again   ;D ;D ;D

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Re: The BCN Camera Rankings Are Out, Canon Leads in DSLR & Compacts
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2017, 02:38:38 PM »
this is old data.

these rankings came out in January.

BCN's annual rankings aren't going to come out for another 4 months from now.

they just simply redid their website.

https://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/2016-companies-market-shares-japan/

Doh! I'll update the post.
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Re: The BCN Camera Rankings Are Out, Canon Leads in DSLR & Compacts
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2017, 02:51:33 PM »
Even if this is old data, I don't expect much to change in the next set of figures. What it really shows us is that the sort of cameras that we all drool over on this forum, are not the cameras that drive overall market share: APS-C and smaller is still where the vast majority of the action is located.

To be honest, the buyers that drive the ILC statistics are probably also in the 'kit lens only' or 'super-zoom' camp. Not that this business should be sniffed at, but neither are these the most profitable customers, nor necessarily the most loyal -without a huge lens investment commitment, they are free agents if and when they choose to upgrade.

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Re: The BCN Camera Rankings Are Out, Canon Leads in DSLR & Compacts
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2017, 04:51:27 PM »
<em><strong>Update: We posted these in error, BCN redid their web site, but have not added new sales data. We apologize for the mistake.</strong></em></p>
<p>The BCN camera market share rankings (Japan) are out and Canon continues to lead the compact and DSLR & compact categories and has placed 2nd in the mirrorless category.</p>
<p><strong>Point & Shoot Compact Rankings:</strong> (2016 marketshare in brackets)</p>
<ol>
<li><em><strong>Canon 27.3% </strong>(2016: 30.5%)</em></li>
<li>Nikon 22.1%</li>
<li>Casio 19.3%</li>
</ol>
<p><strong>DSLR Rankings:</strong></p>
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<li><em><strong>Canon 63.3% </strong>(2016: 56.2%)</em></li>
<li>Nikon 31.6%</li>
<li>Ricoh (Pentax) 4.8%</li>
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<p><strong>Mirrorless ILC Rankings:</strong></p>
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<li>Olympus 26.8%</li>
<li><em><strong>Canon 18.5% </strong>(2016: 13.6%)</em></li>
<li>Sony 17.9%</li>
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<p>Canon is up big year over year in DSLR and mirrorless market share. This coincides with what I’ve been told the marketshare split in Canada is, apparently they have 72% marketshare in DSLRs and over 50% if you include mirrorless ILC cameras.</p>
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Those are numbers for retail in Japan, not the whole world. There is also some misleading information there that you have missed. If you look at the numbers for video cameras for example, Panasonic/Sony/JVC have 97.4% of the market, meaning Canon at most has 2.6% and likely less. The Cx00 cameras sell well however, which means that they have been included in Canon's numbers for mirrorless ILCs. On the face of it may look like Canon's MILCs in the M line are doing well, but a big chunk of that % is actually from Cx00 cameras, which I am sure we can all agree are not MILCs in the way we normally consider them.

Canon used to have 15-20% of the video camera market, but in the last few years have completely disappeared from the rankings. That coincides with the shift from fixed lens video cameras to ILC video cameras in Canon products. But those are being placed in a different category, hence the apparent rise in Canon MILC sales. It is not a real increase though, and results primarily from certain types of cameras being re-categorized.

Also, those rankings are all in Japanese, so I am not sure if the % they cite is units or value. If it is value then throwing a high price camera like the Cx00 series will create a big distortion that does not reflect how many cameras are actually being sold. The same thing would apply in the SLR categories in general, where you might get prosumer cameras distorting what is going on in the consumer segment.

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« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2017, 05:08:43 PM »
Canon used to have 15-20% of the video camera market, but in the last few years have completely disappeared from the rankings. That coincides with the shift from fixed lens video cameras to ILC video cameras in Canon products. But those are being placed in a different category, hence the apparent rise in Canon MILC sales. It is not a real increase though, and results primarily from certain types of cameras being re-categorized.

Also, those rankings are all in Japanese, so I am not sure if the % they cite is units or value. If it is value then throwing a high price camera like the Cx00 series will create a big distortion that does not reflect how many cameras are actually being sold. The same thing would apply in the SLR categories in general, where you might get prosumer cameras distorting what is going on in the consumer segment.

BCN is reporting unit sales. Is it actually your contention that sales of the very expensive CX00 series of Cinema EOS bodies is driving the mirrorless sales numbers??  Nothing to do with popularity of the M-series??  You have said some pretty asinine things in the past, but that one is a strong contender for idiotic comment of the year.
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Re: The BCN Camera Rankings Are Out, Canon Leads in DSLR & Compacts
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2017, 12:56:14 AM »
So Canon just overtook Sony in Mirrorless sales (in Japan at least).

Dual Pixel AF is paying off better than anyone could have imagined.
I never understood Nikon reluctance to come up with better live view implementation ( at least for consumer grade cameras). My biggest complaint with t3i is, not able to continuously focus during video. Canon is building  DSLR and mirrorless offerings around strength of this dual pixel AF and selling boat load of them.  When they add 4k,  another round of boat load sales will fallow.  Who doesn't want nice 4K video with smooth focusing in a consumer grade camera.
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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2017, 04:09:06 PM »
Canon used to have 15-20% of the video camera market, but in the last few years have completely disappeared from the rankings. That coincides with the shift from fixed lens video cameras to ILC video cameras in Canon products. But those are being placed in a different category, hence the apparent rise in Canon MILC sales. It is not a real increase though, and results primarily from certain types of cameras being re-categorized.

Also, those rankings are all in Japanese, so I am not sure if the % they cite is units or value. If it is value then throwing a high price camera like the Cx00 series will create a big distortion that does not reflect how many cameras are actually being sold. The same thing would apply in the SLR categories in general, where you might get prosumer cameras distorting what is going on in the consumer segment.

You do realize that C100s are comparable in price to typical ILC prosumer bodies right? Sales of them may be be a lot more significant than you think. Certainly, Canon have gone from 15-20% of the video market to less than 3% in the space of a few years, and they still sell video cameras. All that is happened is that starting around 2012, when this decline happened, the ILC video cameras appeared and essentially replaced the fixed lens video cameras in terms of sales. People who previously were buying things like XF cameras were now buying C100s. Canon are still selling the same number of video cameras, it is just that they are now being included in a different category.

Sorry if you don't see the connection, but it is pretty obvious in the numbers to me. Canon obviously do sell M cameras as well, but the surge in their MILC numbers in the last few years is being driven to a significant extent by their very successful Cx00 line, and these are not MILCs as we normally think of them. Are you disputing that these cameras are being included in the MILC numbers?

BCN is reporting unit sales. Is it actually your contention that sales of the very expensive CX00 series of Cinema EOS bodies is driving the mirrorless sales numbers??  Nothing to do with popularity of the M-series??  You have said some pretty asinine things in the past, but that one is a strong contender for idiotic comment of the year.

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« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2017, 04:47:22 PM »
To get some idea of how well Canon MILCs are really doing, look at the B&H listing for MILCS, arranged as bestsellers:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/Mirrorless-System-Cameras/ci/16158/N/4288586281

The first Canon MILC makes it's appearance at #65, lol.

Yup. They are just killing it.

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Re: The BCN Camera Rankings Are Out, Canon Leads in DSLR & Compacts
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2017, 04:54:40 PM »
To get some idea of how well Canon MILCs are really doing, look at the B&H listing for MILCS, arranged as bestsellers:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/Mirrorless-System-Cameras/ci/16158/N/4288586281

The first Canon MILC makes it's appearance at #65, lol.

Yup. They are just killing it.
And looking at the US Amazon bestsellers for mirrorless, Canon appears at #3:

https://www.amazon.com/b/ref=s9_acsd_hfnv_hd_bw_bDhlnlz_ct_x_ct01_w?_encoding=UTF8&node=3109924011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-4&pf_rd_r=Z4CXT4E446JHK9RY7349&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=48aa8a32-d5c4-538d-a00e-85cc87649eab&pf_rd_i=12556502011

Weird, huh? It's almost as if differnt stores appeal to different people. Now, I don't know which of the two moves more cameras and therefore has the more meaningfull list, but I would guess it's Amazon?

Edit: For Amazon Germany it's #4 with the M3, UK it's #4 with the M10, #5 on Amazon France with the M100. You get the point.

Edit2: Seems like Amazon's Best Seller section isn't sorted, but just a random selection of the top selling models. So the numbers don't mean anything. Still, the Canon Cams appeared on the list, so they can't be selling too bad.
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