December 18, 2017, 12:31:54 AM

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will be?

dead on arrival. less dynamic range, worse low light than comp. handicapped video feautures
too little too late. equal to competition but released in late 2018
blow away comp. 4k 60p(FF and crop), IBIS, 10fps, super fast buffer, 14 stops DR
canons first mirrorless camera
already preordered my a7riii or d850

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brianftpc

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The 5DsR mk2
« on: November 16, 2017, 06:07:39 AM »
If only there were a leak to give me a reason not to buy the a7Riii
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The 5DsR mk2
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Re: The 5DsR mk2
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2017, 06:31:21 AM »
The 5DSr is a great example of a camera that may not be the best (except for resolution) featurewise on paper, but consistently turns out stunningly good results in use.

It's a solid workhorse, and I have no doubt that the updated version will be even better, but more importantly, dependable.
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Re: The 5DsR mk2
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2017, 06:40:42 AM »
The 5DsR II will be an excellent camera that improves incrementally on the current version in several ways. 

Given the bias evident in your poll choices, you should just buy the a7RIII now. 
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Re: The 5DsR mk2
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2017, 07:06:35 AM »
I own a 1Dx, 1Dx mk2 and 5DsR...theres no bias...its honesty. Canon cant help itself from protecting the cinema line to make the camera that needs to be made. Also hows it gonna handicap the 5DsR mk2 to protect the 5D mk4. We all know the 5DsR wont be 4k60p...but it should be and not at 800mbps. Will it have 4k hdmi out...probably not. Now I cant do 4k live streams. I dont want to switch. I hate the way the a9 feels in my hands and ive shot over 7,000 pics with it. I want DPAF but whats the point if I need to spend over 1,000 per hour of CFast2 4k60p. Im willing to live with GOOD ENOUGH video AF sony has now.

Id pay 6,000 for a 5DsR mk2 with low light equal to the a7r iii, 4k 60p, IBIS, 4k hdmi out, 8-10 fps, 50 RAW frame buffer uncompressed, DPAF, wifi. Thats all very realistic. If I saw a leak that it was coming out next summer Id wait for it unless the A7Siii pulled me away from the C200.

I want canon to do better. Im not gonna make excuses for it to keep being less than it should be.

Oh and my 5DsR is USELESS for profesisonal video. thats really the biggest thing pushing me away from it. Hell a canon xf400 has DPAF and 4k60P out.
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Re: The 5DsR mk2
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2017, 07:22:02 AM »
5DS series was never advertised as a dedicated or capable video camera, but rather a big megapixel monster for still images. Still is actually and the successor probably will continue that trend.

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Re: The 5DsR mk2
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2017, 07:34:17 AM »
Canon specifically made and marketed the 5DSR to people interested in very high resolution stills imagery, and whist I didn't get one I applaud them for making such a dedicated camera that still hasn't been out resolved. To moan about it's lack of video functions is utterly ridiculous, features that didn't make sense on the design brief were specifically taken away from the 5D MkIII body to make way for more relevant high resolution stills functionality.

I will be getting a 5DSR MkII if it has on chip ADC or similar performance and I'll get one if it doesn't do video at all, because I'd be buying it as a high resolution stills camera.
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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2017, 07:40:32 AM »
I own a 1Dx, 1Dx mk2 and 5DsR...theres no bias...its honesty.

Right.  It's DoA or blows away the competition, neither of which is at all likely.  Or it's mirrorless, which hopefully you know is completely unrealistic.   The most logical option, equivalent to the competition, you describe as too little too late (because no one cares about things like reliability and lens selection, right?). Sure, no bias thereā€¦   ::)


I'd pay 6,000 for a 5DsR mk2 with low light equal to the a7r iii, 4k 60p, IBIS, 4k hdmi out, 8-10 fps, 50 RAW frame buffer uncompressed, DPAF, wifi. Thats all very realistic.

Yes, IBIS is very realistic in a Canon body, and the high-resolution full frame camera is the most logical place for them to introduce it. 

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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2017, 07:40:32 AM »

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Re: The 5DsR mk2
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2017, 08:30:42 AM »
I own a 1Dx, 1Dx mk2 and 5DsR...theres no bias...its honesty. Canon cant help itself from protecting the cinema line to make the camera that needs to be made. Also hows it gonna handicap the 5DsR mk2 to protect the 5D mk4. We all know the 5DsR wont be 4k60p...but it should be and not at 800mbps. Will it have 4k hdmi out...probably not. Now I cant do 4k live streams. I dont want to switch. I hate the way the a9 feels in my hands and ive shot over 7,000 pics with it. I want DPAF but whats the point if I need to spend over 1,000 per hour of CFast2 4k60p. Im willing to live with GOOD ENOUGH video AF sony has now.

Id pay 6,000 for a 5DsR mk2 with low light equal to the a7r iii, 4k 60p, IBIS, 4k hdmi out, 8-10 fps, 50 RAW frame buffer uncompressed, DPAF, wifi. Thats all very realistic. If I saw a leak that it was coming out next summer Id wait for it unless the A7Siii pulled me away from the C200.

I want canon to do better. Im not gonna make excuses for it to keep being less than it should be.

Oh and my 5DsR is USELESS for profesisonal video. thats really the biggest thing pushing me away from it. Hell a canon xf400 has DPAF and 4k60P out.

The fact you have Canon does not mean the poll is not biased. The blend of questions is biased, the reason you set up the poll is biased towards a weak point of Canon (video).
I presume you will not be applying for a job at Gallup any time soon.

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Re: The 5DsR mk2
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2017, 09:21:46 AM »
If only there were a leak to give me a reason not to buy the a7Riii

What a ridiculous poll. Three negative choices, one pretty irrelevant and the only positive choice so distorted in unlikely features that it is difficult to expect them and check that box.
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Re: The 5DsR mk2
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2017, 09:24:24 AM »
The 5DSR Mark I hasn't really impressed me as a camera.
Maybe its my version but the 5D III and 5D IV that I have are better in terms of image quality.
It doesn't perform well as the ISO goes up.
I was never blown away by its detail as I didn't think it ever showed any more detail than a 5D III.
I'd find the image quality in the 5D IV much better than it.
You know the file size when you are buying it but 50mp tends to be a waste.
I think they crammed too many MP's in the sensor to get to fifty and overstretched it.
I've felt the same with the 7DII (similar if not same MP density).
It wasn't a great buy.
It is slow, there is a second or two delay between taking the photo and it displaying which I find annoying.
It performs best on a tripod at ISO100.
If they bring out a 5DSR Mark II it would need to be really excellent to convince me to upgrade.
The detail it would bring out would have to be a step above the 5D IV.
It's performance at ISO 1600 onwards would need to be alot better

Of course it could be mirrorless which would be a different take.
I think if Canon go mirrorless the first camera has to be very good.

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Re: The 5DsR mk2
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2017, 10:51:25 AM »
The 5DSR Mark I hasn't really impressed me as a camera.
Maybe its my version but the 5D III and 5D IV that I have are better in terms of image quality.
It doesn't perform well as the ISO goes up.
I was never blown away by its detail as I didn't think it ever showed any more detail than a 5D III.
I'd find the image quality in the 5D IV much better than it.


There is something wrong with your 5DSR. The linear resolution of mine at iso640 is 30-40% higher in terms of lp/mm for all my lenses using charts and distinctly sharper for reproducing images than my 5DIV, and 50% more than my previous 5DIII.
I don't think my findings are unique. Lensrentals measured MTFs from the 5DS, 5DSR and 5DIII back in 2015 and showed up to a 50% increase in the centre for a sharp lens on the 5DSR vs 5DIII https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2015/06/canon-5ds-and-5ds-r-initial-resolution-tests/
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Re: The 5DsR mk2
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2017, 11:13:41 AM »
The 5DSR Mark I hasn't really impressed me as a camera.
Maybe its my version but the 5D III and 5D IV that I have are better in terms of image quality.
It doesn't perform well as the ISO goes up.
I was never blown away by its detail as I didn't think it ever showed any more detail than a 5D III.
I'd find the image quality in the 5D IV much better than it.

What lenses, what setup? The difference between 5DSR and 5D III is night and day - with the right lenses.
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Re: The 5DsR mk2
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2017, 11:43:08 AM »
If only there were a leak to give me a reason not to buy the a7Riii

What a ridiculous poll. Three negative choices, one pretty irrelevant and the only positive choice so distorted in unlikely features that it is difficult to expect them and check that box.

Total waste of valuable internet space.

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« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2017, 12:02:58 PM »
Such a nonsense. But I have to congratulate the marketing departments of the camera companies. They are so successful by telling people that their gear is not good enough. Youtube also has a significant share in this stupidity.

If you know what you are doing there is zero possibility that there is a picture you cant take because you have "just" a 5dmk4 or a 1DXmk2. I still have a original 1DX and all my big prints look amazing. Just 18 MPix. More than enough.
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Re: The 5DsR mk2
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2017, 01:02:06 PM »
My first reaction was that this thread is not worth a reply, but it annoyed me enough that I will.
I just bought a 5DsR. A week ago. I bought it for landscape and wedding photography. It noticeably outresolves my 6D from my sharp 35/2IS to my less sharp 24-105/5IS, much as Roger reported. I love the tonality and I enjoy working with the camera - I've owned several Canon dslrs since the 300D including the 5D and 5DII, so I felt right at home.
Do I need 50MP? Mostly no. But its like having a 50-100mm zoom that I shoot mostly at 50mm. I print moderately large landscapes and its nice to have the resolution when I need it. Very few of my prints would benefit from an extra stop in the shadows.
Do I shoot video? Rarely. Criticising the 5DsR for not shooting video is like criticising my Italian V-twin motorcycle for being poor off-road.
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