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Re: 5D Mark III/X Information [CR1]
« Reply #90 on: February 14, 2012, 02:01:11 PM »
Here is how I see the new line up shaping up.

7D - $1299

5Dm2 21mp FF - $1799

5DX - 22mp FF 61pt AF, 6.9fps - $2499

3DX - 40mp FF 61pt AF, 4fps - $3499

1DX - 18mp FF 61pt AF - 12fps - $5999


I hope canon also makes a budget FF camera.  Imagine if the 7Dm2 was a 12mp FF for $1000 that would kill nikon

If Canon has a 5Dx, 3Dx, and a 1Dx all at the same time I'll eat my underwear for breakfast. If the 5D"x" comes out at $2499 I'll eat my gym socks for desert.  :P
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Re: 5D Mark III/X Information [CR1]
« Reply #90 on: February 14, 2012, 02:01:11 PM »

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« Reply #91 on: February 14, 2012, 02:03:13 PM »
Here is how I see the new line up shaping up.

7D - $1299

5Dm2 21mp FF - $1799

5DX - 22mp FF 61pt AF, 6.9fps - $2499

3DX - 40mp FF 61pt AF, 4fps - $3499

1DX - 18mp FF 61pt AF - 12fps - $5999


I hope canon also makes a budget FF camera.  Imagine if the 7Dm2 was a 12mp FF for $1000 that would kill nikon

If Canon has a 5Dx, 3Dx, and a 1Dx all at the same time I'll eat my underwear for breakfast. If the 5D"x" comes out at $2499 I'll eat my gym socks for desert.  :P
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Re: 5D Mark III/X Information [CR1]
« Reply #92 on: February 14, 2012, 02:05:38 PM »
Here is how I see the new line up shaping up.

7D - $1299

5Dm2 21mp FF - $1799

5DX - 22mp FF 61pt AF, 6.9fps - $2499

3DX - 40mp FF 61pt AF, 4fps - $3499

1DX - 18mp FF 61pt AF - 12fps - $5999


I hope canon also makes a budget FF camera.  Imagine if the 7Dm2 was a 12mp FF for $1000 that would kill nikon

If Canon has a 5Dx, 3Dx, and a 1Dx all at the same time I'll eat my underwear for breakfast. If the 5D"x" comes out at $2499 I'll eat my gym socks for desert.  :P

This is my first post, but if Canon does in fact follow this, sign me up for a 3DX! i am a wedding & portrait photographer, and my biggest needs are color rendition, skin tones, and pure image quality. I know im no expert on what type of performance a 40mp Camera would have, but those are my main priorities. I love my 5D2, so I am in no need for an upgrade but would be more than willing to spend if my needs (wants) were met.
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Re: 5D Mark III/X Information [CR1]
« Reply #93 on: February 14, 2012, 02:14:58 PM »
The quote from Maeda certainly looks like Canon is playing the role of the front-runner.  Apparently, they've got a bunch of tech and several prototypes, and were just waiting for Nikon to tip their hand so they can one-up them.  Now, before everyone gets too excited, as I said in a previous post, Canon will not put all of their best tech in these cameras: they will do just enough to take a clear edge, and then profit from the next cycle as well.

Hah that sounds more like following than front-running, if you hold back everything and only release in minimum response to what the other guy does...
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Re: 5D Mark III/X Information [CR1]
« Reply #94 on: February 14, 2012, 02:17:15 PM »
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the way Canon develops new product is to satisfy the needs of professional photographers. For instance, the introduction of EOS-1D X is to satisfy professional photographers to photoshoot sports events like the Olympics, in terms of their requirement of high FPS and high image quality under high ISO settings.

I find this comment confusing.. if their 'way' is to develop products for professional photographers.. why are they making video cameras in SLR form?  It really feels like videoographers, at minimal, share equal weight.. at this point probably more.

Because many news outlets are now equally hungry for video clips as for stills and of course small scale film makers are and even the big boys have need for them. Some say that the 5D2 actually sold more copies to those using it mostly for video, not sure what the truth is.


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Re: 5D Mark III/X Information [CR1]
« Reply #95 on: February 14, 2012, 02:21:58 PM »
Here is how I see the new line up shaping up.

7D - $1299

5Dm2 21mp FF - $1799

5DX - 22mp FF 61pt AF, 6.9fps - $2499

3DX - 40mp FF 61pt AF, 4fps - $3499

1DX - 18mp FF 61pt AF - 12fps - $5999


I hope canon also makes a budget FF camera.  Imagine if the 7Dm2 was a 12mp FF for $1000 that would kill nikon
That's quite okay, but the 5D Mk. II would have to go, the 3D would be the 5D Mk. III with twice the pixel count compared to 1DX/5DX while the 5DX should have the same 18MP as the 1DX and being a pure photography SLR. By doing this, you could reduce price near to 7D level while the 7D (7D Mk. II/70D, whatever) could get cheaper to counter Sony.
One should never forget that Sony will most probably doing big with A77/65 just because of their pricing and video features, all weaknesses of the two put aside. Canon should counter that with more attractively priced cameras with better features (here the antiquated 9 point AF system is the most annoying thing).
If they do so, they can also build an pretty unexpensive 5DX, namely a 7D with FF losing video functions.
Don't complain about that, IMO the time will come when people are fed up with SLRs featuring more video than photo and demand pure photo SLRs, so why don't bring out a photo SLR right now?

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Re: 5D Mark III/X Information [CR1]
« Reply #96 on: February 14, 2012, 02:22:52 PM »


I would be extremely surprised if Canon sold one 1-series body for every 100 consumer bodies.  I suspect the ratio is much lower (1:300 at least, likely lower still).  There's a reason Canon produces xxxD bodies and kit lenses in Taiwan instead of (or in some cases, in addition to) Japan.

My google-fu is failing, but I recall seeing stats a while back and yeah, it was in that order of magnitude... so somewhere between 1:100 and 1:1000

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Ultimately, though, production costs are essentially irrelevant (this was discussed recently, not sure if that was in this thread or elsewhere on CR).  Sales pricing is determined by amortization of R&D costs, market size, and related factors. Canon expects to sell fewer 1-series bodies, they have to charge more for them. 

I am not so sure here.  The R&D costs between bodies is actually probably pretty flat. That sensor though, producing FF or MF sensors actually is a lot more expensive (much higher failure rate) and the FF cameras also use one or more processing chips that are also, because of the number of transistors, more expensive to produce.

Keep in mind, with chips, it is not as simple as 'X failure rate and Y per batch', imperfections are spread around so not only do you get fewer chips per batch but the percentage of bad chips goes up as the physical size increases.

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Re: 5D Mark III/X Information [CR1]
« Reply #96 on: February 14, 2012, 02:22:52 PM »

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« Reply #97 on: February 14, 2012, 02:23:47 PM »
If Canon has a 5Dx, 3Dx, and a 1Dx all at the same time I'll eat my underwear for breakfast. If the 5D"x" comes out at $2499 I'll eat my gym socks for desert.  :P

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Re: 5D Mark III/X Information [CR1]
« Reply #98 on: February 14, 2012, 02:28:32 PM »
Here is how I see the new line up shaping up.

7D - $1299

5Dm2 21mp FF - $1799

5DX - 22mp FF 61pt AF, 6.9fps - $2499

3DX - 40mp FF 61pt AF, 4fps - $3499

1DX - 18mp FF 61pt AF - 12fps - $5999


I hope canon also makes a budget FF camera.  Imagine if the 7Dm2 was a 12mp FF for $1000 that would kill nikon

Could be.

Although I'm not sure why everyone keeps calling the 3D the slow, fat MP body when the EOS 3 and the fabled 3D everyone has been going on about was always said to be a pro AF, high speed, compact FF.

So I'd swap your 5D3 and 3D names and I would raise the re-labelled 3D price to $2700+ and lower the 5D3 price to $3200.

In 2015 or so the 3D2 bumps up to 39MP and retains 6.9fps and top AF and then we really have a nice all around camera and the 5D4 get cancelled or becomes a much slower, less expensive 39MP body than the 3D2?

For now, some will prefer the D800 and some the 3D.

If the they have fixed up the DR on the 3D/5D3 and haven't crippled the 1DX AF in it more than a trace (and I don't think they should since the D800 will do 6fps in DX mode with grip and 36MP, two pretty decent things! plus have Nikon's very best AF attempt! and uncompressed 1080p out) it will be pretty cool, awesome video, great speed and performance, top AF, compact size. The only thing it will lack is reach, it will be somewhat weak for wildlife, and the detail for hyper ppi 13x19 or for 300 ppi very large size prints, everything else would be everything you want (other than pro sealing, pro durability, hyper fps for the most serious of action shooters, for the ones who must have that they will pay for the 1DX).

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Re: 5D Mark III/X Information [CR1]
« Reply #99 on: February 14, 2012, 02:38:13 PM »
I've done my share of D800 humping lately, but a 22 mp 5DIII with a 61-point AF system and 6.9 FPS would be one heck of a camera. Throw in one or two additional stops of DR and ISO over the 5DII, and this sucker will be irresistible. Do it, Canon :) My Canon glass gives me wood every time I use them, and I really don't want to switch systems.   

It is not physically possible to improve the 5Dmk2 high ISO performance by 2 stops.

Not for say middle tone SNR, but for lowest ISO DR it could easily be improved to stops measured and closer to 3 stops usable.

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« Reply #100 on: February 14, 2012, 02:38:58 PM »
  A year's worth of ivacaftor will cost you $294,000.

And if they could find a way to make it affordable to the entire 5%, they'd earn themselves some major karma.   8) :P

Karma doesnt pay for years of R&D and clinical trials... Or more importantly the years of R&D Clinical trials to get the NEXT drug to market. For every drug that gets to market there are many that do not, millions of dollars worth of clinical trails can tell you your compound doesnt work well enough to get a license and the closer it got to market before failing the more it costs. Believe me when you have worked for years on a compound that fails phase three clinical trials its not a great feeling for you or the company, I know from my time in the lab.

They could get a nice fuzzy feeling of good karma selling the drug cheap while they were signing the papers to lay off the R&D workforce that they can no longer afford... what about their karma? :-)

Most people really dont understand the costs involved... they just see one little white pill and wonder how it can be hundreds of dollars, most of the cost was from working out (and then proving enough to be allowed to sell) that pill...

Same goes for Canon, although their R&D doesnt involve having to prove in clinical trials their ISO numbers and IQ etc before they are allowed to sell so manufacturing is a larger portion that for Pharma companies... Its what they make/spend in total that counts... all the years of R&D and things that never made it to production we never hear about have to get factored in too... not just the costs of the assembly and parts for particular models.

Now talking of Karma... I expect my karma number for this board to drop sharply after preaching like that :-)

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Re: 5D Mark III/X Information [CR1]
« Reply #101 on: February 14, 2012, 02:44:26 PM »
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Although I'm not sure why everyone keeps calling the 3D the slow, fat MP body when the EOS 3 and the fabled 3D everyone has been going on about was always said to be a pro AF, high speed, compact FF.
;) the 3D is anything you want it to be. It's the fan's outlet for matching whatever sony/nikon are doing.

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Re: 5D Mark III/X Information [CR1]
« Reply #102 on: February 14, 2012, 02:51:06 PM »
there's more to image quality than megapixals.  i'll take low noise for what i'm doing.

But don't forget that the 24MP D3x has a lot higher ISO 100 DR than the low MP D3s.
So it's not so simple.
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Re: 5D Mark III/X Information [CR1]
« Reply #103 on: February 14, 2012, 02:54:40 PM »
I'm envisioning for a "full line" X-series refresh:

* EOS 1D X
* EOS 5D X (possibly split to include a high MPX EOS 3C - NOT D)
* EOS 10D X New top line APS-C body, *possibly* revising form factor to 1.4 or 1.5 X sensor - just under whatever the magic size is to allow EF-S lenses to still work, and justifying a kit zoom range of 20-65 for 28-90 equivalency.
* EOS 100D X / Rebel Xi
* EOS 1000D X

And, of course, the PowerShot G1 X. :)

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« Reply #104 on: February 14, 2012, 02:55:28 PM »
I'm envisioning for a "full line" X-series refresh:

* EOS 1D X
* EOS 5D X (possibly split to include a high MPX EOS 3C - NOT D)
* EOS 10D X New top line APS-C body, *possibly* revising form factor to 1.4 or 1.5 X sensor - just under whatever the magic size is to allow EF-S lenses to still work, and justifying a kit zoom range of 20-65 for 28-90 equivalency.
* EOS 100D X / Rebel Xi
* EOS 1000D X

And, of course, the PowerShot G1 X. :)

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Re: 5D Mark III/X Information [CR1]
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