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Re: TDP reviews the 85 f/1.4L IS USM
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2017, 06:17:23 PM »
Got mine today, and as I posted in another thread, first thing I tried was to shoot metal in harsh light and the amount of purple fringing is extremely low, the 35 L II has none, and it’s there with the 85 IS, but even deliberately pushed to show it, it’s nothing to worry about.

Vignetting is very low, I was hoping for really good performance there, and I’m not disappointed.

The AF is very certain and locks and tracks great. Still in the process of finding the afma value, really impressive, even in terrible light.

I usually have very shaky hands so I had no hope for getting sharp images at the mentioned 1/8s, but I can get almost every single shot sharp at 1/8s. Ai servo locks without doubt, although slower in f1.4s, iso 1000 1/8s, pretty crazy.

Slight pincushion distortion but not noticeable  unless aligning up a straight doorframe in at the extreme edge.

Encouraging.


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Re: TDP reviews the 85 f/1.4L IS USM
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2017, 06:17:23 PM »

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Re: TDP reviews the 85 f/1.4L IS USM
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2017, 12:04:13 AM »
Mine arrived today. Absolutely love it. Perfect size. Amazing IQ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ESsqyVMcik

Made an unboxing video and size comparison video to the 35L II and Sigma Art. Already posted my Sigma on Craigslist.
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Re: TDP reviews the 85 f/1.4L IS USM
« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2017, 05:06:38 AM »
Ok.  Used my 1.2 yesterday after reading TDP's review.  Then started imagining a lens with roughly the same image quality but with snappy AF and IS.  I will admit, the short and stout (grapefruit!) shape of the 1.2 seems to exaggerate my issues with shake, forcing me to up the ISO for higher shutter speeds.  Or use a tripod.

Plus, how many shots have I just missed because the AF cannot respond quickly enough, relegating this 1.2 to largely a static portrait/found still life lens?  Too many.

So, once the dust settles on supplies, I will probably be making the move too!  I'd still like to see a bunch more image samples and read about more field experience--but unless a big problem surfaces, late winter, early spring, gimme!
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Re: TDP reviews the 85 f/1.4L IS USM
« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2017, 07:43:26 AM »
I'm on the fence. I like the IQ of the Sigma, but all the references I've seen about the Sigma's AF performance scare me. By the way, does anyone have a link to any verification of the Sigma's AF issues? I've seen lots of people on this forum referring to focusing issues, AF drift over time, recalibrating, etc., but Bryan's review of the Sigma--and his review of the Canon 1.4 IS--doesn't mention any problems with focusing.

Doesn't feel like Canon hit a home run with this lens. A solid triple, maybe. I can live with more CA than on the Sigma. I can live with some corner softness, too. But I'd be more willing to pay a few hundred bucks more for a lens that was more competitive corner-to-corner.

I suppose when the Canon's lens profiles are available and it's easier to correct CA in post, it'll be easier to compare final-result images. So we'll end up with the Canon being more reliably in-focus, and the Sigma sharper corner-to-corner.

Given that lately I've had more issues with my subjects being just slightly out of focus (still learning the Mark IV's AF system) than being soft in the corners, I'm lining up for the Canon.
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Re: TDP reviews the 85 f/1.4L IS USM
« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2017, 08:02:04 AM »
AF drift is a confirmed issue with Sigma 85 Art. I called up my clients and was able to confirm that majority of them noticed AFMA drifted for them in first 3 months after the initial tune. I am doing one of those lenses tomorrow. going by the sample shots I was sent, it is out by 3-5 AFMA points at least.
one more issue that no one noticed yet: Sigma is prone to moire when stopped down to 5.6 and smaller.
I get this quite a lot on both cameras. extreme sharpness and level of detalisation creates visible interference in fine regular patterns and lines. I found a work around: I rotate the image ever slightly by 2-3 degrees in any direction. this simple procedure somehow removes moire for me for good.

example:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/LNn36vCY5RMxV70F2

take a look. move magnification slider on the page and notice aggressive interference pattern appearing in fabric.



 
I'm on the fence. I like the IQ of the Sigma, but all the references I've seen about the Sigma's AF performance scare me. By the way, does anyone have a link to any verification of the Sigma's AF issues? I've seen lots of people on this forum referring to focusing issues, AF drift over time, recalibrating, etc., but Bryan's review of the Sigma--and his review of the Canon 1.4 IS--doesn't mention any problems with focusing.

Doesn't feel like Canon hit a home run with this lens. A solid triple, maybe. I can live with more CA than on the Sigma. I can live with some corner softness, too. But I'd be more willing to pay a few hundred bucks more for a lens that was more competitive corner-to-corner.

I suppose when the Canon's lens profiles are available and it's easier to correct CA in post, it'll be easier to compare final-result images. So we'll end up with the Canon being more reliably in-focus, and the Sigma sharper corner-to-corner.

Given that lately I've had more issues with my subjects being just slightly out of focus (still learning the Mark IV's AF system) than being soft in the corners, I'm lining up for the Canon.
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Re: TDP reviews the 85 f/1.4L IS USM
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2017, 11:08:35 AM »
A pretty illustrative side by side video comparison between the 85LII, 85 f1.4 and Sigma 85 ART:

https://youtu.be/ofR2qRcE6aw

The 85 F1.4 compares well with the Sigma ART in real world images.

Real world is key.  The Sigma charts brilliantly, but in any kind of harder (real world) light, I found the amount of CA killed edges and made it practically less sharp than other options (Milvus, Otus, but even the Tamron 85 in some settings).  It's a killer studio lens, but not a great general purpose 85mm (in my opinion) for many reasons.

For whatever reason my review copy of the 85L IS hasn't arrived yet, which is okay, since I don't have time at the moment to do the review until I wrap up my coverage of several other lenses.
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Re: TDP reviews the 85 f/1.4L IS USM
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2017, 09:35:43 AM »
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Re: TDP reviews the 85 f/1.4L IS USM
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2017, 09:35:43 AM »

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Re: TDP reviews the 85 f/1.4L IS USM
« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2017, 03:25:47 PM »
A pretty illustrative side by side video comparison between the 85LII, 85 f1.4 and Sigma 85 ART:

https://youtu.be/ofR2qRcE6aw

The 85 F1.4 compares well with the Sigma ART in real world images.

Real world is key.  The Sigma charts brilliantly, but in any kind of harder (real world) light, I found the amount of CA killed edges and made it practically less sharp than other options (Milvus, Otus, but even the Tamron 85 in some settings).  It's a killer studio lens, but not a great general purpose 85mm (in my opinion) for many reasons.

For whatever reason my review copy of the 85L IS hasn't arrived yet, which is okay, since I don't have time at the moment to do the review until I wrap up my coverage of several other lenses.

The more lenses I try, the more I realize that real world experience is more important than test charts, and especially mystical DXO scores. Even more of us should take note of Dustins excellent (real world) reviews.

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Re: TDP reviews the 85 f/1.4L IS USM
« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2017, 04:19:12 PM »
A pretty illustrative side by side video comparison between the 85LII, 85 f1.4 and Sigma 85 ART:

https://youtu.be/ofR2qRcE6aw

The 85 F1.4 compares well with the Sigma ART in real world images.

Real world is key.  The Sigma charts brilliantly, but in any kind of harder (real world) light, I found the amount of CA killed edges and made it practically less sharp than other options (Milvus, Otus, but even the Tamron 85 in some settings).  It's a killer studio lens, but not a great general purpose 85mm (in my opinion) for many reasons.

For whatever reason my review copy of the 85L IS hasn't arrived yet, which is okay, since I don't have time at the moment to do the review until I wrap up my coverage of several other lenses.

Can't wait to see your review, Dustin!

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Re: TDP reviews the 85 f/1.4L IS USM
« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2017, 08:44:27 AM »
A pretty illustrative side by side video comparison between the 85LII, 85 f1.4 and Sigma 85 ART:

https://youtu.be/ofR2qRcE6aw

The 85 F1.4 compares well with the Sigma ART in real world images.

Real world is key.  The Sigma charts brilliantly, but in any kind of harder (real world) light, I found the amount of CA killed edges and made it practically less sharp than other options (Milvus, Otus, but even the Tamron 85 in some settings).  It's a killer studio lens, but not a great general purpose 85mm (in my opinion) for many reasons.

For whatever reason my review copy of the 85L IS hasn't arrived yet, which is okay, since I don't have time at the moment to do the review until I wrap up my coverage of several other lenses.

Can't wait to see your review, Dustin!

My first video segment is up:  http://bit.ly/85LISfl and I've got an image gallery going: http://bit.ly/canon85LISig

Here's a one light portrait, wide open at f/1.4 (processed to taste - mostly a little skin work and some tweaks to the tone curve)

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Re: TDP reviews the 85 f/1.4L IS USM
« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2017, 08:27:32 PM »
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Re: TDP reviews the 85 f/1.4L IS USM
« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2017, 02:50:55 AM »
Still waiting for the fecking thing to be released in the UK! COME ON CANON, GET A SHIFT ON!

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Re: TDP reviews the 85 f/1.4L IS USM
« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2017, 04:03:53 AM »
Still waiting for the fecking thing to be released in the UK! COME ON CANON, GET A SHIFT ON!

I had the same feeling, then I got a message that mine was in transit. Apparently Canon is supplying them to resellers in small numbers which indicates that the initial batch was too small for the preorders and that they are selling faster than they can be produced.

...and I can fully understand why. The thing is brilliant! Can have something to do with "more than half of the glass elements in this lens are made of glass materials that were not yet put into practical application when the EF85mm f/1.2L II USM was developed (released in March 2006)"
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Re: TDP reviews the 85 f/1.4L IS USM
« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2017, 04:03:53 AM »

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Re: TDP reviews the 85 f/1.4L IS USM
« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2017, 11:45:43 AM »

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Re: TDP reviews the 85 f/1.4L IS USM
« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2017, 12:00:18 PM »
EF85mm f/1.4L IS USM: Developer Interviews (1)

https://snapshot.canon-asia.com/article/en/ef85mm-f14l-is-usm-developer-interviews-1

EF85mm f/1.4L IS USM: Developer Interviews (2)

https://snapshot.canon-asia.com/article/en/ef85mm-f14l-is-usm-developer-interviews-2

Thank you for sharing. Interesting read!

Absolutely +1! I haven’t read it befand it’s very interesting read indeed. I knew about the shock absorber on my 35 L II, but didn’t know the 85 also had it, nice!
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« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2017, 12:00:18 PM »