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Re: EOS 7D Mark III Coming in March 2018 [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: November 24, 2017, 10:03:08 PM »
That first time Canon DSLR sensor tech may just be IBIS. Wouldn’t that be good!

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It isn't going to happen. For better or worse Canon went the lens stabilization route, and they have said many times they see IS per lens a better solution than IBIS.

A simple and interesting comparison of effectiveness of in lens stabilization compared to IBIS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgPp2D0qNWs
Side-by-side comparison at 6:12. The conclusion was that the lens IS wins, as expected.


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Re: EOS 7D Mark III Coming in March 2018 [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: November 24, 2017, 10:03:08 PM »

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Re: EOS 7D Mark III Coming in March 2018 [CR1]
« Reply #31 on: November 24, 2017, 10:03:38 PM »
At this point Canon simply can't do anything to make photogs stop switching to Sony. Can it?

Given the actual sales figures we end up seeing I'm sure Canon and it's share holders will be happy to continue the current trajectory of Sony, Nikon and Canon sales in both DSLR's and MILC's. You do know Canon sell more DSLR's and MILC's than Nikon and Sony combined?

That's what RIM said ... remember them, they practically invented the smartphone. Smug and resting on their laurels, they now are mostly dead and utterly irrelevant.

That's what everybody says when the facts are presented. Yet each year/month/week/new release/rumor/thread we are told Canon are dead, each year they post better figures when compared to their competition. I'm not saying they know everything, I am saying they seem to know their market much better than us and the never ending cries of 'they are doomed' sound more like the boy who cried wolf given the year on year in year facts.

That's exactly what everyone said about RIM for almost 10 years!

RIM/Blackberry sold phones competitively for ten odd years, 2002 to 2012 if you are generous, Canon have been making cameras competitively for 80 years. As I said, I don't know what they know, but I do know they know more than me and I expect you.

At this point Canon simply can't do anything to make photogs stop switching to Sony. Can it?

Given the actual sales figures we end up seeing I'm sure Canon and it's share holders will be happy to continue the current trajectory of Sony, Nikon and Canon sales in both DSLR's and MILC's. You do know Canon sell more DSLR's and MILC's than Nikon and Sony combined?

That's what RIM said ... remember them, they practically invented the smartphone. Smug and resting on their laurels, they now are mostly dead and utterly irrelevant.

That's what everybody says when the facts are presented. Yet each year/month/week/new release/rumor/thread we are told Canon are dead, each year they post better figures when compared to their competition. I'm not saying they know everything, I am saying they seem to know their market much better than us and the never ending cries of 'they are doomed' sound more like the boy who cried wolf given the year on year in year facts.

That's exactly what everyone said about RIM for almost 10 years!

PS ... in every industry, the future belongs to the bold and aggressive, and right now that looks like Sony.

That is simply not true, Sony have been bold and aggressive in many fields and retreated and stopped mid stride. Sony have dominated areas of tech in which they are now either gone or also rans. Bold and aggressive has led to failure on many many occasions. Sony are losing market share to Canon on MILC sales, how does that square with your comments?

We'll see. Canon may get the lead out on MILC, but I'm losing patience.
The Sony A7r III is making waves and it's at the top of my list, begging me to switch brands.
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Re: EOS 7D Mark III Coming in March 2018 [CR1]
« Reply #32 on: November 24, 2017, 10:05:00 PM »
That first time Canon DSLR sensor tech may just be IBIS. Wouldn’t that be good!

-pw

It isn't going to happen. For better or worse Canon went the lens stabilization route, and they have said many times they see IS per lens a better solution than IBIS.

A simple and interesting comparison of effectiveness of in lens stabilization compared to IBIS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgPp2D0qNWs
Side-by-side comparison at 6:12. The conclusion was that the lens IS wins, as expected.

IBIS and lens IS are not mutually exclusive. You can have both.

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Re: EOS 7D Mark III Coming in March 2018 [CR1]
« Reply #33 on: November 24, 2017, 10:16:37 PM »
We'll see. Canon may get the lead out on MILC, but I'm losing patience.
The Sony A7r III is making waves and it's at the top of my list, begging me to switch brands.
https://www.dpreview.com/news/7619939520/time-calls-sony-a7r-iii-one-of-the-best-mirrorless-cameras-ever-made

Ah now that is a different thing, you losing patience is utterly irrelevant to Canon, I understand why you, personally, think Canon are losing it, because they are not making the camera you personally want. But the problem with that is they do make cameras people want more than any other camera manufacturer, I bought two this year.

Go buy the Sony, nobody cares, literally not one single person gives a seconds thought to what camera you buy, it is so inconsequential in the scheme of things as to be laughable. Canon are not going to make an EOS A7R MkIII, get over it, if you want one buy it and don't give Canon a second thought.
Too often we lose sight of the fact that photography is about capturing light, if we have the ability to take control of that light then we grow exponentially as photographers. More often than not the image is not about lens speed, sensor size, DR, MP's or AF, it is about the light.

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Re: EOS 7D Mark III Coming in March 2018 [CR1]
« Reply #34 on: November 24, 2017, 10:20:32 PM »
We'll see. Canon may get the lead out on MILC, but I'm losing patience.
The Sony A7r III is making waves and it's at the top of my list, begging me to switch brands.
https://www.dpreview.com/news/7619939520/time-calls-sony-a7r-iii-one-of-the-best-mirrorless-cameras-ever-made

Ah now that is a different thing, you losing patience is utterly irrelevant to Canon, I understand why you, personally, think Canon are losing it, because they are not making the camera you personally want. But the problem with that is they do make cameras people want more than any other camera manufacturer, I bought two this year.

Go buy the Sony, nobody cares, literally not one single person gives a seconds thought to what camera you buy, it is so inconsequential in the scheme of things as to be laughable. Canon are not going to make an EOS A7R MkIII, get over it, if you want one buy it and don't give Canon a second thought.

Unfortunately for Canon a lot of people are starting to wonder what they are waiting for.
I bought three Canon's this year alone, and I've owned a lot of Canon gear. That doesn't mean the future is Canon by any stretch.

"Go buy the Sony, nobody cares, literally not one single person gives a seconds thought to what camera you buy, it is so inconsequential in the scheme of things as to be laughable."

It always amazes me how insecure dedicated Canon fans are. I saw exactly this response in so many Blackberry fans, especially after I switched to Android.

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Re: EOS 7D Mark III Coming in March 2018 [CR1]
« Reply #35 on: November 24, 2017, 10:26:16 PM »
I can't see them putting C-Log in it and not the 1DX MkII, and if that got a firmware C-Log upgrade it messes wth the Cinema line. Not that I care as video is of zero interest to me personally, as is a 7D MkIII.

You could say the same about the 5D4 though and yet that have C-Log now.

But what happens when it needs a firmware upgrade? All C-Log enabled 5D MkIV's have to go to Canon for a firmware change, can you see them doing that for a much higher volume 7D MkIII?

New 5D4 bodies ship with the firmware pre-installed so I don't see why they wouldn't do the same for future bodies.
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Re: EOS 7D Mark III Coming in March 2018 [CR1]
« Reply #36 on: November 24, 2017, 10:33:53 PM »

That's what RIM said ... remember them, they practically invented the smartphone. Smug and resting on their laurels, they now are mostly dead and utterly irrelevant.

Comparing RIM vs Apple to Canon vs Sony has been repeated over and over again.
If you were involved with the RIM in 2007, when Apple showed its first iPhone, you could have known that
Steve Jobs "made it clear that catering to enterprise customers wasn’t a priority". His target market was average non-technical users who appreciated simplicity and elegance and it was a successful strategy. Is this what Sony is doing right now? Is the target of A7, A9 etc. average Joe photographers?  They are doing exactly the opposite. They are reaching to bloggers and tech savvy guys. They are not doing what Apple did. Exactly the opposite, Canon has not abandoned the non-technical users. Success of Rebel and M series and even releasing Hello Kitty version of SL series shows that they are bringing cameras to the hand of non-tech guys and it seems that they are good at it. That is one of the reasons that they have expanded their overall market in both dollars and numbers. RIM's mistake was not knowing who is their target and where to put the research dollars. This does not apply to the big players of the camera industry at the moment.

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Re: EOS 7D Mark III Coming in March 2018 [CR1]
« Reply #36 on: November 24, 2017, 10:33:53 PM »

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Re: EOS 7D Mark III Coming in March 2018 [CR1]
« Reply #37 on: November 24, 2017, 10:34:38 PM »
I can't see them putting C-Log in it and not the 1DX MkII, and if that got a firmware C-Log upgrade it messes wth the Cinema line. Not that I care as video is of zero interest to me personally, as is a 7D MkIII.

You could say the same about the 5D4 though and yet that have C-Log now.

But what happens when it needs a firmware upgrade? All C-Log enabled 5D MkIV's have to go to Canon for a firmware change, can you see them doing that for a much higher volume 7D MkIII?

New 5D4 bodies ship with the firmware pre-installed so I don't see why they wouldn't do the same for future bodies.

All Canon DSLR's ship with firmware, obviously. If there is a firmware upgrade we can do that ourselves at home with a memory card and a download from Canon. Unless that DSLR has C-Log, if it does and it needs or requires a firmware upgrade for new features, bug corrections, etc then it has to go to Canon. All the 5D MkIV's with C-Log can only have firmware upgrades at a Canon repair facility, same with the 1DC and all the C Line cameras.
Too often we lose sight of the fact that photography is about capturing light, if we have the ability to take control of that light then we grow exponentially as photographers. More often than not the image is not about lens speed, sensor size, DR, MP's or AF, it is about the light.

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Re: EOS 7D Mark III Coming in March 2018 [CR1]
« Reply #38 on: November 24, 2017, 10:50:02 PM »
At this point Canon simply can't do anything to make photogs stop switching to Sony. Can it?

Given the actual sales figures we end up seeing I'm sure Canon and it's share holders will be happy to continue the current trajectory of Sony, Nikon and Canon sales in both DSLR's and MILC's. You do know Canon sell more DSLR's and MILC's than Nikon and Sony combined?

That's what RIM said ... remember them, they practically invented the smartphone. Smug and resting on their laurels, they now are mostly dead and utterly irrelevant.

That's what everybody says when the facts are presented. Yet each year/month/week/new release/rumor/thread we are told Canon are dead, each year they post better figures when compared to their competition. I'm not saying they know everything, I am saying they seem to know their market much better than us and the never ending cries of 'they are doomed' sound more like the boy who cried wolf given the year on year in year facts.

That's exactly what everyone said about RIM for almost 10 years!

PS ... in every industry, the future belongs to the bold and aggressive, and right now that looks like Sony.

That is simply wrong. Most successful large businesses follow a conservative incremental approach. Especially publicly held companies that have a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders. They let the bold and aggressive take the risks. Most of the bold and aggressive companies will either go broke or get bought out. In business the steady tortoise almost always beats the bold and aggressive hare.

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Re: EOS 7D Mark III Coming in March 2018 [CR1]
« Reply #39 on: November 24, 2017, 10:53:17 PM »
I can't see them putting C-Log in it and not the 1DX MkII, and if that got a firmware C-Log upgrade it messes wth the Cinema line. Not that I care as video is of zero interest to me personally, as is a 7D MkIII.

You could say the same about the 5D4 though and yet that have C-Log now.

But what happens when it needs a firmware upgrade? All C-Log enabled 5D MkIV's have to go to Canon for a firmware change, can you see them doing that for a much higher volume 7D MkIII?

New 5D4 bodies ship with the firmware pre-installed so I don't see why they wouldn't do the same for future bodies.

All Canon DSLR's ship with firmware, obviously. If there is a firmware upgrade we can do that ourselves at home with a memory card and a download from Canon. Unless that DSLR has C-Log, if it does and it needs or requires a firmware upgrade for new features, bug corrections, etc then it has to go to Canon. All the 5D MkIV's with C-Log can only have firmware upgrades at a Canon repair facility, same with the 1DC and all the C Line cameras.

I'm not sure where you're getting this from.  The 5D4 hasn't had any firmware updates since the C-Log update but the C100ii, C300ii, C500, and C700 all have user updatable firmware.  As for the 1DC, there was never any firmware update that could be applied by end users but that could very well just have been to prevent people from turning their 1DX into a 1DC.  Also, the I'll try to find the source but I'm pretty sure the reason you have to send the 5D4 in for the C-Log update is because Canon added in a new heatsink to go with it.

Quote from: Petapixel
The new firmware will work on non-serviced cameras, but there’s a chance the camera will overheat. If you want to avoid this, you’ll be able to send your Canon 5D Mark IV in to be retrofitted with a better heat sink. All new models, meanwhile, will ship with the better heat sink already installed.
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Re: EOS 7D Mark III Coming in March 2018 [CR1]
« Reply #40 on: November 24, 2017, 11:39:42 PM »
Hoping its a step in right direction in terms of upgrades. Also without LR(cataloging) it's going to be hard for me to upgrade to any new camera unless I find a good RAW editor.

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Re: EOS 7D Mark III Coming in March 2018 [CR1]
« Reply #41 on: November 24, 2017, 11:44:52 PM »
I can't see them putting C-Log in it and not the 1DX MkII, and if that got a firmware C-Log upgrade it messes wth the Cinema line. Not that I care as video is of zero interest to me personally, as is a 7D MkIII.

You could say the same about the 5D4 though and yet that have C-Log now.

But what happens when it needs a firmware upgrade? All C-Log enabled 5D MkIV's have to go to Canon for a firmware change, can you see them doing that for a much higher volume 7D MkIII?

New 5D4 bodies ship with the firmware pre-installed so I don't see why they wouldn't do the same for future bodies.

All Canon DSLR's ship with firmware, obviously. If there is a firmware upgrade we can do that ourselves at home with a memory card and a download from Canon. Unless that DSLR has C-Log, if it does and it needs or requires a firmware upgrade for new features, bug corrections, etc then it has to go to Canon. All the 5D MkIV's with C-Log can only have firmware upgrades at a Canon repair facility, same with the 1DC and all the C Line cameras.

I'm not sure where you're getting this from.  The 5D4 hasn't had any firmware updates since the C-Log update but the C100ii, C300ii, C500, and C700 all have user updatable firmware.  As for the 1DC, there was never any firmware update that could be applied by end users but that could very well just have been to prevent people from turning their 1DX into a 1DC.  Also, the I'll try to find the source but I'm pretty sure the reason you have to send the 5D4 in for the C-Log update is because Canon added in a new heatsink to go with it.

Quote from: Petapixel
The new firmware will work on non-serviced cameras, but there’s a chance the camera will overheat. If you want to avoid this, you’ll be able to send your Canon 5D Mark IV in to be retrofitted with a better heat sink. All new models, meanwhile, will ship with the better heat sink already installed.

No Canon did not add a heat sink to the C-Log version of the 5D MkIV, it is firmware only and can only be done at a Canon facility. They also said at the time of release any future updates would only be possible at a Canon facility.

The 1DC did get a firmware upgrade, you had to send the camera to Canon to have it done. As you say I am sure it was so people didn't 'convert' their 1DX's to 1DC's.

I misspoke on the Cinema Line firmware upgrades, you are correct in that they are user installed.
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Re: EOS 7D Mark III Coming in March 2018 [CR1]
« Reply #42 on: November 25, 2017, 12:11:28 AM »
At this point Canon simply can't do anything to make photogs stop switching to Sony. Can it?

Given the actual sales figures we end up seeing I'm sure Canon and it's share holders will be happy to continue the current trajectory of Sony, Nikon and Canon sales in both DSLR's and MILC's. You do know Canon sell more DSLR's and MILC's than Nikon and Sony combined?

That's what RIM said ... remember them, they practically invented the smartphone. Smug and resting on their laurels, they now are mostly dead and utterly irrelevant.

That's what everybody says when the facts are presented. Yet each year/month/week/new release/rumor/thread we are told Canon are dead, each year they post better figures when compared to their competition. I'm not saying they know everything, I am saying they seem to know their market much better than us and the never ending cries of 'they are doomed' sound more like the boy who cried wolf given the year on year in year facts.

That's exactly what everyone said about RIM for almost 10 years!

PS ... in every industry, the future belongs to the bold and aggressive, and right now that looks like Sony.

Mmmmm not always.  Bold and aggressive may actually be reckless and foolish.  Time will tell.

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Re: EOS 7D Mark III Coming in March 2018 [CR1]
« Reply #42 on: November 25, 2017, 12:11:28 AM »

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Re: EOS 7D Mark III Coming in March 2018 [CR1]
« Reply #43 on: November 25, 2017, 12:52:55 AM »
That first time Canon DSLR sensor tech may just be IBIS. Wouldn’t that be good!

-pw

It isn't going to happen. For better or worse Canon went the lens stabilization route, and they have said many times they see IS per lens a better solution than IBIS.

A simple and interesting comparison of effectiveness of in lens stabilization compared to IBIS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgPp2D0qNWs
Side-by-side comparison at 6:12. The conclusion was that the lens IS wins, as expected.

IBIS and lens IS are not mutually exclusive. You can have both.

That’s right. Look at the Panasonic GH5 and upcoming G9. Both enable dual stabilisation when used with IS glass.

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Re: EOS 7D Mark III Coming in March 2018 [CR1]
« Reply #44 on: November 25, 2017, 01:28:37 AM »

No Canon did not add a heat sink to the C-Log version of the 5D MkIV, it is firmware only and can only be done at a Canon facility.

They certainly seemed to have made some hardware change as it seems both DPReview and Petapixel were told something similar by Canon.

Quote from: DPReview
Canon has announced it will make C-Log available to current EOS 5D Mark IV owners by way of a $99 feature upgrade. The update, which we were told includes an unspecified hardware change, will be available at Canon's service centers in the US starting July. C-Log will also be pre-installed in new 5D Mark IV bodies starting July, retailing for $3599.

They also said at the time of release any future updates would only be possible at a Canon facility.

Do you have a source for this?  I haven't been able to find even a passing reference to this.
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Re: EOS 7D Mark III Coming in March 2018 [CR1]
« Reply #44 on: November 25, 2017, 01:28:37 AM »