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Re: Hands-on With the Canon EF 400 f/4 DO IS II
« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2014, 10:54:08 AM »
By the way, this lens is just as heavy (or light) as 70-200/2.8, that's quite manageable actually!

I don't know where you got that idea, but the 70-200/2.8L IS II is 1,490g, and the 400/4DO II is 2,100g.

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Re: Hands-on With the Canon EF 400 f/4 DO IS II
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Re: Hands-on With the Canon EF 400 f/4 DO IS II
« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2014, 10:56:21 AM »
Am I the only one that thinks making the tripod foot non-removable almost totally defeats the purpose of this lens, which is to make it very light and easily handholdable?  If I were in the market for a lens like this, this one simple thing would be a show-stopper for me.  I keep the tripod ring off my 70-200/2.8 and 100-400L unless I'm actually using it on a tripod for exactly this reason - handholding comfort.  It even looks really uncomfortable to hold in the video with the foot in his palm.

Hmm...good call Lee Jay...I didn't notice that either...yeah...the ring looks like it is part of the lens... So maybe it will not remove like the tripod support ring on my 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II. ....but I attached a photo...it looks like the foot is removable ...but I do not know if that is a part of the design for actual use.  What about the old one...how is that set up????

...but the Ring may just loosen and slide off the back of the lens...

You can always turn the foot sideways, maybe even upwards (IDK about prism/foot conflict). With my 70-200/2.8, I always keep the foot upside down, so I can support the lens with my hand as well as use it as a handle :) By the way, this lens is just as heavy (or light) as 70-200/2.8, that's quite manageable actually!

Looking at the MK I, and reading the manual, the foot is removable.  Looking at the MK II I am doubtful if it is removable.  I came to this conclusion after seeing that the Canon badge (medal plate with information about the model lens, etc.) would come off with the foot if it was removed.  It also doesn't have the release screw/knob in the foot area as the MK I does.  Also the Canon badge, on the MK I, is just ahead of the foot and doesn't come off with it.  I could be wrong but I don't believe you can remove this foot completely.
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Re: Hands-on With the Canon EF 400 f/4 DO IS II
« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2014, 11:01:39 AM »
the tripod ring can be removed - but requires extra steps.

the tripod foot is removable by unscrewing 4 hex/allen screws.

see attached photo (EF 200 2.0 is)

~ unless Canon decided to make the 400 DO different.

as for the tripod ring/foot - I find it useful to have as it provide a balance point for my hands (I use AF all the time. So, there's no need for me to touch the focus ring at all)

if I need to get it our of my way, I rotate it 90 degree to the left which serves as a nice reference point for my hands when I need to do portrait orientation shoots.
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Re: Hands-on With the Canon EF 400 f/4 DO IS II
« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2014, 11:10:50 AM »
Just rotate it up, no big deal. I prefer it down, I don't want my hand on the focus ring when I'm using AF.
The foot in place is essential when using a beanbag, for the same reason.

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Re: Hands-on With the Canon EF 400 f/4 DO IS II
« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2014, 11:20:42 AM »
Am I the only one that thinks making the tripod foot non-removable almost totally defeats the purpose of this lens, which is to make it very light and easily handholdable?  If I were in the market for a lens like this, this one simple thing would be a show-stopper for me.  I keep the tripod ring off my 70-200/2.8 and 100-400L unless I'm actually using it on a tripod for exactly this reason - handholding comfort.  It even looks really uncomfortable to hold in the video with the foot in his palm.

Hmm...good call Lee Jay...I didn't notice that either...yeah...the ring looks like it is part of the lens... So maybe it will not remove like the tripod support ring on my 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II. ....but I attached a photo...it looks like the foot is removable ...but I do not know if that is a part of the design for actual use.  What about the old one...how is that set up????

...but the Ring may just loosen and slide off the back of the lens...

Yes, the bottom part of the foot assembly can be removed with 4 hex-key bolts.  On some lenses, Canon provides a shorter monopod foot, that's how you swap them (or in my case, how you install the RRS replacement foot).
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Re: Hands-on With the Canon EF 400 f/4 DO IS II
« Reply #35 on: September 17, 2014, 11:32:37 AM »
Can we assume from the mtf curves that the new 400 is going to do real well with extenders ?

It looks like the center is going to be good in sharpness but can anything be said about boka flair ,  ca or saturation from the curves?

This might make a kick ass hiking wildlife lens.
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Re: Hands-on With the Canon EF 400 f/4 DO IS II
« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2014, 11:43:06 AM »
+1 for the RRS-plate, it has a much lower profile so it's great for support, and at least for me, is way more comfortable than holding with no foot.
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Re: Hands-on With the Canon EF 400 f/4 DO IS II
« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2014, 11:48:20 AM »
+1 for the RRS-plate, it has a much lower profile so it's great for support, and at least for me, is way more comfortable than holding with no foot.

Thank!s...did not know that RRS made a replacement for the foot.  Link?
 ....but will it fit the new lens?
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Re: Hands-on With the Canon EF 400 f/4 DO IS II
« Reply #38 on: September 17, 2014, 12:03:14 PM »
+1 for the RRS-plate, it has a much lower profile so it's great for support, and at least for me, is way more comfortable than holding with no foot.

Thank!s...did not know that RRS made a replacement for the foot.  Link?
 ....but will it fit the new lens?

Afaik there all the same four screws.

Here's a link :
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1259208/0
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Re: Hands-on With the Canon EF 400 f/4 DO IS II
« Reply #39 on: September 17, 2014, 12:08:49 PM »
How did they let "That Nikon Guy" play with the merchandise?  He should be on a no-try list somewhere at Canon.  ;)
If I am not mistaken he had done some review of canon stuff on youtube, this is not his first time. I am a Canon shooter but I value what he has to say. Given the time frame, I appreciate this video.

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Re: Hands-on With the Canon EF 400 f/4 DO IS II
« Reply #40 on: September 17, 2014, 01:02:18 PM »
+1 for the RRS-plate, it has a much lower profile so it's great for support, and at least for me, is way more comfortable than holding with no foot.
Thank!s...did not know that RRS made a replacement for the foot.  Link?
 ....but will it fit the new lens?

No foot yet.  But there wasn't one for the 300/2.8 IS MkI (also had a removable foot).  The 300/2.8 II has a foot, should fit the 400 DO II; RRS will no doubt test it once they get the new lens in their hands.

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Re: Hands-on With the Canon EF 400 f/4 DO IS II
« Reply #41 on: September 17, 2014, 01:20:10 PM »
By the way, this lens is just as heavy (or light) as 70-200/2.8, that's quite manageable actually!

I don't know where you got that idea, but the 70-200/2.8L IS II is 1,490g, and the 400/4DO II is 2,100g.

My bad, I was under the impression that 70-200/2.8L IS II is around 1800g and this is just under 2000g. Still, nice weight, nothing terrible to handhold.
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Re: Hands-on With the Canon EF 400 f/4 DO IS II
« Reply #42 on: September 17, 2014, 01:34:55 PM »
I really like the new 400 DO but i was wondering how small(or big) would be a conventional
400mm F4 lens?
I used to have the Canon 400mm 5.6, which is an amazing lens but it's around the same length and
almost half the weight of the new DO.

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Re: Hands-on With the Canon EF 400 f/4 DO IS II
« Reply #43 on: September 17, 2014, 02:28:11 PM »
By the way, this lens is just as heavy (or light) as 70-200/2.8, that's quite manageable actually!

I don't know where you got that idea, but the 70-200/2.8L IS II is 1,490g, and the 400/4DO II is 2,100g.

My bad, I was under the impression that 70-200/2.8L IS II is around 1800g and this is just under 2000g. Still, nice weight, nothing terrible to handhold.

In use weight is 1700g with the 70-200, but it remains to see what the "in use" weight of the 400 DO is.
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« Reply #43 on: September 17, 2014, 02:28:11 PM »