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Re: Why I Switched from Sony to Canon by Armando Ferreira
« Reply #45 on: December 06, 2017, 12:35:22 AM »
Long time ago, in a debate between the Canon F1N and the Nikon F3 the two photographers were very convincing, each in their own gear. Than three years later, when they converted to AF.. they switched brands with similar convincing superlatives... The moral of the story is that you can find good and bad points in any brand or gear, Nikon has this, Sony has this, Canon has this. I think that today reviews about cameras is more in the "what we would like to see" performance rather than the "needed" performance. The makers are adding features, that most never use, not because those features are not good, it because that once you started to use the camera, you use it with your own preferences, which most times, are far less than what the camera offers. So the whole "debate" on "which is better" or "who is more innovative" is ridiculous, if the gear works for you, does it matter it does not have a feature you will rarely or never use?

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Re: Why I Switched from Sony to Canon by Armando Ferreira
« Reply #45 on: December 06, 2017, 12:35:22 AM »

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Re: Why I Switched from Sony to Canon by Armando Ferreira
« Reply #46 on: December 06, 2017, 10:29:18 AM »
As to Canon I'm a Canon fan but I do have frustrations such as when you mix shooting with the 5DS and the 6D MKII as I did yesterday different control layout and a d-pad rather than the joystick slow you down when fighting daylight & in a hurry I think all full frame cameras should have the same control layout the cost difference is really not an issue at that level (7D MKII and 6D MKII the latter is more expensive yet the 7D MKII has a joystick). I find that kind of hobbling irritating.

some of it (such as the second use on the top buttons) could be better on the 6D / 80D series, however, the rest is because of the articulating LCD hinge forces the layout differences in the back of the camera.  it's not going to be the same because of that basic fact.

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Re: Why I Switched from Sony to Canon by Armando Ferreira
« Reply #47 on: December 06, 2017, 12:04:39 PM »
As to Canon I'm a Canon fan but I do have frustrations such as when you mix shooting with the 5DS and the 6D MKII as I did yesterday different control layout and a d-pad rather than the joystick slow you down when fighting daylight & in a hurry I think all full frame cameras should have the same control layout the cost difference is really not an issue at that level (7D MKII and 6D MKII the latter is more expensive yet the 7D MKII has a joystick). I find that kind of hobbling irritating.

some of it (such as the second use on the top buttons) could be better on the 6D / 80D series, however, the rest is because of the articulating LCD hinge forces the layout differences in the back of the camera.  it's not going to be the same because of that basic fact.

You can mitigate it somewhat by going all midrange prosumer (80D/6D) or going all high end (5D/7D) if you want to feel the consistency.

The articulating lens forces a certain re-arrangement, but also, the 80D/6D are meant to be a transition from xxxD Rebels, which they're quite similar to.

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Re: Why I Switched from Sony to Canon by Armando Ferreira
« Reply #48 on: December 07, 2017, 02:06:13 AM »
The video is pointless, he's preaching to the wrong group. None of the Sony fanboys will give two hoots about what he says. He's the equivalent of the one climate denying scientist to them. Canon's entered a point where the media aren't even listening anymore, nothing they do is really good enough now. They had better hope their mirrorless camera is brilliant or the trash we get now against them will be nothing to compared to what will happen if it's another feature lite, ho hum offering.

Some folks don't mind a feature light offering.  The fact that the "media" aren't listening anymore is only proof that the media (especially internet media) is basically ignorant and has totally different priorities compared to most consumers.  I think most consumers would give Canon the edge over Sony when it comes to color, ergonomics, lenses, ease of use, reliability - you know, those boring attributes that are far more important than those sexy specs that Sony loves.  It's no accident that I returned both Sony mirrorless cameras that I bought over the past few years and kept my Canon M5.  If only Sony could make a mirrorless as good as the M5 - or even as good as my other mirrorless, An Olympus E-M1 - I might consider switching!  But as long as all the aforementioned attributes are still subpar, Sony will have to wait.

I couldn't agree more.  The M5 is such a fun camera to use and the photos and videos look great too - even compared to my 5d3.

I video weddings, bar-mitzvahs, product and instructional videos and all of my customers want the video on DVDs, as they always have problems with bluray (they never update their player's firmware) and my DVDs start playing almost instantly instead of waiting 10 minutes for a blu-ray disk to load.
I do also give them full HD on a usb key, but they prefer to use a DVD.
Maybe it's because they get a nice custom printed disk and a nice printed sleeve in the DVD box with my DVDs, which looks much more impressive than a usb key.
99% of people that are not photography nuts like us, could hardly tell the difference beyween SD and HD, and as long as the image is clear and colourful, they enjoy the content more than they would enjoy a boring video in full 4K.

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Re: Why I Switched from Sony to Canon by Armando Ferreira
« Reply #49 on: December 07, 2017, 03:19:10 AM »
Long time ago, in a debate between the Canon F1N and the Nikon F3 the two photographers were very convincing, each in their own gear. Than three years later, when they converted to AF.. they switched brands with similar convincing superlatives... The moral of the story is that you can find good and bad points in any brand or gear, Nikon has this, Sony has this, Canon has this. I think that today reviews about cameras is more in the "what we would like to see" performance rather than the "needed" performance. The makers are adding features, that most never use, not because those features are not good, it because that once you started to use the camera, you use it with your own preferences, which most times, are far less than what the camera offers. So the whole "debate" on "which is better" or "who is more innovative" is ridiculous, if the gear works for you, does it matter it does not have a feature you will rarely or never use?
Well said. I love using my 5D mark 4 and really I could not be happier with it, but there has been so much negative comment and half hearted praise (watch the Camera Store review for example) that I started to question my own judgement. Having tried many of the alternatives I always find myself coming back to my Canon 5D mark 4 because it is the right camera for me. Other people may prefer Sony, or Olympus or Fuji but that does not mean these are the right cameras for everyone. I am just grateful that we still have so much choice and we can each pick the camera that matches our own needs.

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Re: Why I Switched from Sony to Canon by Armando Ferreira
« Reply #50 on: December 10, 2017, 07:50:30 AM »
If I was new on the market I'd probably go with Nikon - for some of the reasons mentioned here++.

As for colors I've never understood people who say color is important to them - but do not color calibrate their gear. Making whatever brand you are using (shooting RAW) moot.

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Re: Why I Switched from Sony to Canon by Armando Ferreira
« Reply #51 on: December 10, 2017, 12:23:46 PM »
If I was new on the market I'd probably go with Nikon - for some of the reasons mentioned here++.

I still wouldn't.  There's a lot to love about the D850, but the lens selection still falls short, and that's a more important investment to me.  100-400II has become my favorite lens, to which there is just no Nikon equivalent.  And, I'm very fond of a lot of other Canon lenses.

Plus, unlike Sony, there's no potential of me ever running Nikon and Canon at the same time -- since everything's backwards, with each other, lol.

As for colors I've never understood people who say color is important to them - but do not color calibrate their gear. Making whatever brand you are using (shooting RAW) moot.

I set CWB and use a ColorChecker and color calibration mostly when I need color to be consistent with previous shoots.  But that's usually product photography; with nearly everything else, I don't really care if the colors are accurate nearly as much as if the colors are pleasing. 

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Re: Why I Switched from Sony to Canon by Armando Ferreira
« Reply #51 on: December 10, 2017, 12:23:46 PM »

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Re: Why I Switched from Sony to Canon by Armando Ferreira
« Reply #52 on: December 12, 2017, 09:56:57 AM »
If I was new on the market I'd probably go with Nikon - for some of the reasons mentioned here++.

I still wouldn't.  There's a lot to love about the D850, but the lens selection still falls short, and that's a more important investment to me.  100-400II has become my favorite lens, to which there is just no Nikon equivalent.  And, I'm very fond of a lot of other Canon lenses.

Yeah, Nikon's wide zooms can't match Canon these days (which is a switch-around from when I owned a Nikon body over 10 years ago) and I believe even their standard zoom struggles a bit next to the latest Canon. Also, the D850 seems to have a lot of 'issues' which are becoming apparent, some of which may be solvable with QC or recalls, some of which may not...

As for colors I've never understood people who say color is important to them - but do not color calibrate their gear. Making whatever brand you are using (shooting RAW) moot.

I set CWB and use a ColorChecker and color calibration mostly when I need color to be consistent with previous shoots.  But that's usually product photography; with nearly everything else, I don't really care if the colors are accurate nearly as much as if the colors are pleasing.

This. For various reasons I'll not bore everyone with here, it's incredibly hard to replicate a particular manufacturer's colour science, even when shooting raw. I have a colorchecker passport and have found it often produces the least 'pleasing' profile out of the ones available to me in LR. I learned a while ago that this really is one area where you make a choice; if you like Canon colour science, buy a Canon, if you like Sony colour science, buy a Sony (and get an eye test ;D).

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Re: Why I Switched from Sony to Canon by Armando Ferreira
« Reply #53 on: December 12, 2017, 10:56:32 AM »
Also, the D850 seems to have a lot of 'issues' which are becoming apparent, some of which may be solvable with QC or recalls, some of which may not...

Really? The only thing I have read about is misaligned sensor and AF - both contentious

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Re: Why I Switched from Sony to Canon by Armando Ferreira
« Reply #54 on: December 13, 2017, 02:38:04 PM »
Another debate about who needs 4K and relative sample size.

Here is my 2 cents.

Fact, people buying DSLRs period... is a small sample size to begin with compared to the general population.

Fact, people buying high-end DSLR is a smaller subset of the already small sample size...

Fact, people buying DSLRs for video is also a small subset of the already small sample size, but it intersects with those buying a high-end DSLR...

Now, the question is.... if you are buying a DSLR for video... chances are... you aren't some shmuck that saw a pro at an event carrying a DSLR for video/photographer and wanted to get the same equipment - thus goes to the local bestbuy and buys themselves a Rebel cam with a kit lens. Chances are that you were one of the few that saw the potential of the 5D mark 2 and the DSLR video revolution - and fully invested in the Canon system. So, given the competition's offerings in the video department, why not more than 1080p?

Its more of a want than need...

Its like the folks here that want exactly 36MP and more DR... do they need it? Nope.
Do they want it? Yep.
Can you survive without it? Yes and No.

Same thing with 4K.
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Re: Why I Switched from Sony to Canon by Armando Ferreira
« Reply #55 on: December 13, 2017, 03:29:34 PM »
Another debate about who needs 4K and relative sample size.

Here is my 2 cents.

Fact, people buying DSLRs period... is a small sample size to begin with compared to the general population.

Fact, people buying high-end DSLR is a smaller subset of the already small sample size...

Fact, people buying DSLRs for video is also a small subset of the already small sample size, but it intersects with those buying a high-end DSLR...

Now, the question is.... if you are buying a DSLR for video... chances are... you aren't some shmuck that saw a pro at an event carrying a DSLR for video/photographer and wanted to get the same equipment - thus goes to the local bestbuy and buys themselves a Rebel cam with a kit lens. Chances are that you were one of the few that saw the potential of the 5D mark 2 and the DSLR video revolution - and fully invested in the Canon system. So, given the competition's offerings in the video department, why not more than 1080p?

Its more of a want than need...

Its like the folks here that want exactly 36MP and more DR... do they need it? Nope.
Do they want it? Yep.
Can you survive without it? Yes and No.

Same thing with 4K.
I respectfully disagree.
I am both photographer and videographer. Cannot afford primary and back up for both, cannot even carry both when needed at the same time - hence the need for DSLR.
Last three choir concerts, I used 1DX II for B-roll during getting ready. During concert I used 1DX II as main camera and 5D III as a secondary.
Believe it or not but I didn't use footage from the 5D (3 concerts in row now for the past month). They became just safety.

Many people talk about 4K without having in their life shot not even once in 4K. I have a DSLR so I have an opinion. It is like a taxi driver who has opinion about Formula one. Everybody is entitled to one, no doubt; but are these legitimate enough to be considered as a foundation on how to drive these cars?

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Re: Why I Switched from Sony to Canon by Armando Ferreira
« Reply #56 on: December 14, 2017, 11:26:26 AM »

I respectfully disagree.
I am both photographer and videographer. Cannot afford primary and back up for both, cannot even carry both when needed at the same time - hence the need for DSLR.
Last three choir concerts, I used 1DX II for B-roll during getting ready. During concert I used 1DX II as main camera and 5D III as a secondary.
Believe it or not but I didn't use footage from the 5D (3 concerts in row now for the past month). They became just safety.

Many people talk about 4K without having in their life shot not even once in 4K. I have a DSLR so I have an opinion. It is like a taxi driver who has opinion about Formula one. Everybody is entitled to one, no doubt; but are these legitimate enough to be considered as a foundation on how to drive these cars?

I don't know what you are talking about...
But which part do you disagree with? Because it sounds like you agree with some parts of what I said...
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Re: Why I Switched from Sony to Canon by Armando Ferreira
« Reply #57 on: December 14, 2017, 11:37:58 AM »

I don't know what you are talking about...
But which part do you disagree with? Because it sounds like you agree with some parts of what I said...
"Its more of a want than need..."
If you want to stand out, why would you produce same result as everybody else? Or even worse, why would you want to stay behind.
1080P output from a 4K is the pro standard today. 1080P from a 5D III is a quality of yesteryear.

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Re: Why I Switched from Sony to Canon by Armando Ferreira
« Reply #57 on: December 14, 2017, 11:37:58 AM »

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Re: Why I Switched from Sony to Canon by Armando Ferreira
« Reply #58 on: December 14, 2017, 05:24:55 PM »

1080P output from a 4K is the pro standard today. 1080P from a 5D III is a quality of yesteryear.

Pure BS.
Most real pros shoot 1080p quite happily, use manual focus and produce top quality video for documentaries and films. Most people demanding after 4k DSLR/mirrorless are youtube vlogging wannabes.

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Re: Why I Switched from Sony to Canon by Armando Ferreira
« Reply #59 on: December 14, 2017, 05:33:59 PM »
Cool teardown of the A7RIII on Fred Miranda:

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1520661

Interesting bit from the fella who took it apart: “There's actually no rubberized gaskets or anything like that. The edges where the camera comes together look standard. Any weatherproofing must be done with just very tight joints, and possibly hydrophobic coatings.”

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Re: Why I Switched from Sony to Canon by Armando Ferreira
« Reply #59 on: December 14, 2017, 05:33:59 PM »