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Re: Another Canon EF 135mm f/2L IS USM Mention [CR2]
« Reply #75 on: December 12, 2017, 04:26:08 PM »
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 I love the value proposition of the 'one stop slower lens with IS that is half the size/weight as the faster L lens' lenses.  I
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But I am not the market.
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At least there are two people in the same market *pointing on myself*
Question is how many are "a market" in the eyes of Canon ;)
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Re: Another Canon EF 135mm f/2L IS USM Mention [CR2]
« Reply #75 on: December 12, 2017, 04:26:08 PM »

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Re: Another Canon EF 135mm f/2L IS USM Mention [CR2]
« Reply #76 on: December 14, 2017, 08:28:27 PM »
First, you make some assumptions here I could throw in your face just like you & your body just did.

Then some people might look very differently on this list. E.g. smaller lens might be a positive, vignetting can be corrected (the current f/1.8 has <2 stops wide open, reasonable), etc.

You are arguing with someone who agrees with you on at least a piece of this.  I love the value proposition of the 'one stop slower lens with IS that is half the size/weight as the faster L lens' lenses.  I personally own and love a few of them:

35 f/2 IS
16-35 f/4L IS
24-70 f/4L IS

Except both lenses would have IS, the f stop difference would be less than one stop, the weight difference would be a pound. Combine this with the value proposition, and you can see my argument about stealing sales from the f/1.4L IS USM.

But I am not the market.

If we want to disregard Canon's non-L ring USM avoidance of late, Canon could absolutely sell an 85 f/1.8 IS USM alongside an 85 f/1.4L IS USM and still sell both lenses quite well without the cheaper undercutting the more expensive one.  Because the L would be sealed, outresolve the f/1.8 lens, probably have more blades and generate softer bokeh, manage aberrations better, have better build quality, etc.

Again...

1) Some people just don't care about weather sealing and build quality, unless a new 85mm f/1.8 IS USM would be worse off than the existing 85mm f/1.8.

2) Question is how big the IQ difference would be. I doubt it would be significant.

Finally, the question is not just whether the hypothetical f/1.8 IS USM would sell well, it's whether it would make more profit than the current f/1.8 USM.

Considering the large investment in making a new lens and the sales [I think] it would steal from the f/1.4L IS USM, I'm not sure it would be more profitable for Canon.

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Re: Another Canon EF 135mm f/2L IS USM Mention [CR2]
« Reply #77 on: January 27, 2018, 01:48:06 PM »
IF this lens is as the new 85 1.4 is, i don't know if I can retain myself not to buy it :)
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Re: Another Canon EF 135mm f/2L IS USM Mention [CR2]
« Reply #78 on: January 27, 2018, 02:01:58 PM »
This would be near the top of my "want" list.  The combination of focal length, aperture, and IS make it really ideal for headshots.... of my cat :)

I love the 70-200/2.8 IS (a near perfect cat portrait lens, IMO), but it is a bit heavy to hold steady for protracted periods 1 handed... I need a hand for to get her attention and turn this way or that, unless I want to literally wait forever :D :D

f/2.8 or better is a great help for AF when it's quite dark, even though I often have aperture set to f/8 or smaller -- and it's important to do so, because then the cat's eyes fully dilate, and when a flash goes off, with some luck, you can get really nice shots of their eyes.

Ok Ok, I know, nobody cares about my cat :P

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Re: Another Canon EF 135mm f/2L IS USM Mention [CR2]
« Reply #79 on: January 27, 2018, 02:42:35 PM »
This along with an EF-M 85 are it for me. I hefted a Sigma Art 135 and laughed a bit loud at the shop. Sorry, can't deal with a medium tele lens that weighs more than the body.
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Re: Another Canon EF 135mm f/2L IS USM Mention [CR2]
« Reply #80 on: January 27, 2018, 03:07:08 PM »
This would be near the top of my "want" list.  The combination of focal length, aperture, and IS make it really ideal for headshots.... of my cat :)

I love the 70-200/2.8 IS (a near perfect cat portrait lens, IMO), but it is a bit heavy to hold steady for protracted periods 1 handed... I need a hand for to get her attention and turn this way or that, unless I want to literally wait forever :D :D

f/2.8 or better is a great help for AF when it's quite dark, even though I often have aperture set to f/8 or smaller -- and it's important to do so, because then the cat's eyes fully dilate, and when a flash goes off, with some luck, you can get really nice shots of their eyes.

Ok Ok, I know, nobody cares about my cat :P

During these droughts I have finding models, I have often thought about getting a cat or dog. :)
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Re: Another Canon EF 135mm f/2L IS USM Mention [CR2]
« Reply #81 on: January 27, 2018, 03:08:47 PM »
I would be torn by this coming out - I'm extremely fond of my current 135L; it has seen a lot of mileage, and I love the look it lends - to both portraits and the odd landscape shot.

It is still such a great lens, but I know that even if nothing else changed, then a coatings update, better weather sealing and IS will make it even greater.

So, GAS may overtake me if/when this comes out, but I'll feel disloyal to the current lens... 8)
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Re: Another Canon EF 135mm f/2L IS USM Mention [CR2]
« Reply #81 on: January 27, 2018, 03:08:47 PM »

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Re: Another Canon EF 135mm f/2L IS USM Mention [CR2]
« Reply #82 on: January 30, 2018, 01:30:06 PM »
I would be torn by this coming out - I'm extremely fond of my current 135L; it has seen a lot of mileage, and I love the look it lends - to both portraits and the odd landscape shot.

It is still such a great lens, but I know that even if nothing else changed, then a coatings update, better weather sealing and IS will make it even greater.

So, GAS may overtake me if/when this comes out, but I'll feel disloyal to the current lens... 8)

The current 135 is a great lens. My favorite for portraits. You are right. Better control of CA, add IS, better weather sealing... those would be fantastic. Even with that, like you, I would feel disloyal. Love the lens that much.
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Re: Another Canon EF 135mm f/2L IS USM Mention [CR2]
« Reply #83 on: January 30, 2018, 03:57:36 PM »
The current 135 is a great lens. My favorite for portraits. You are right. Better control of CA, add IS, better weather sealing... those would be fantastic. Even with that, like you, I would feel disloyal. Love the lens that much.

It's good to see that I'm not the only person that can feel disloyal to a lens that's treated them well :D

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Re: Another Canon EF 135mm f/2L IS USM Mention [CR2]
« Reply #84 on: January 30, 2018, 07:36:49 PM »
The current 135 is a great lens. My favorite for portraits. You are right. Better control of CA, add IS, better weather sealing... those would be fantastic. Even with that, like you, I would feel disloyal. Love the lens that much.

It's good to see that I'm not the only person that can feel disloyal to a lens that's treated them well :D

Well, after sleeping together for so long, I'd feel lost without her. ;)
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Re: Another Canon EF 135mm f/2L IS USM Mention [CR2]
« Reply #85 on: January 31, 2018, 03:27:50 PM »
Good - I'm glad its not just me then  ;)
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Re: Another Canon EF 135mm f/2L IS USM Mention [CR2]
« Reply #86 on: February 13, 2018, 09:45:32 PM »
We’ve received another mention of a Canon EF 135mm f/2L IS USM coming in the first half of 2018, we see the CP+ show in Japan as a good time to announce the lens.</p>
<p>We’re told production of the EF 85mm f/1.4L IS will have to meet global demand before the announcement.</p>
<p>We’re also told that the original non-IS version will remain current for some time after the new lens appears.</p>


Any more  credible info out there on this lens Craig?
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Re: Another Canon EF 135mm f/2L IS USM Mention [CR2]
« Reply #86 on: February 13, 2018, 09:45:32 PM »