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Re: Ethics of a photograph containing a baited animal
« Reply #90 on: December 22, 2017, 09:26:34 AM »
Is this ethical?

Nope

But this could be another debate. Do man made elements in a wildlife picture take away form the subject?
Should they be avoided?
A Wildlife Purist attitude maybe.
I try and avoid these kind of pics and they usually get deleted, it is just poor composition.

As for the OP's original post, has any one even asked if the fish in the picture is a native to that lake?
What kind of carp set up would that be if the prop fish isn't  accurate.

I built this antenna about 30 years ago..... and then Ospreys started building nests in it.... this resulted in a several year battle between myself and the ospreys, in the end we put up a 90 foot post with a nesting platform on top. Fast forward 20 years and there are now 6 different osprey nests clustered around the edges of the field and they like to sit on top of my antenna and watch the river. Definitely a case of man altering the environment.....

And btw, when you are 130 feet up, on the side of a tower, you have very little control over composition. Stepping back a few feet means a loud scream, followed by a thud!

With the back story it is an ethical picture.
And a more interesting pic.  :)


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Re: Ethics of a photograph containing a baited animal
« Reply #90 on: December 22, 2017, 09:26:34 AM »

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Re: Ethics of a photograph containing a baited animal
« Reply #91 on: December 22, 2017, 10:10:17 AM »
Hi Don.
And today’s quote of the day goes to
“when you are 130 feet up, on the side of a tower, you have very little control over composition. Stepping back a few feet means a loud scream, followed by a thud!”a  ;D ;D

Thanks for the laugh, the back story is interesting too.

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Re: Ethics of a photograph containing a baited animal
« Reply #92 on: December 22, 2017, 10:58:11 AM »


Nope

But this could be another debate. Do man made elements in a wildlife picture take away form the subject?
Should they be avoided?
A Wildlife Purist attitude maybe.
I try and avoid these kind of pics and they usually get deleted, it is just poor composition.


Interestingly, some of the premier wildlife photography competitions rejected any photograph that had human constructions or evidence of human activity. A few years ago (some or all, not sure which) they relaxed this to say that they would permit 'human elements' as long as the behaviour was wild. All this did was change the goal posts and led to the infamous case where a photo of a 'wild' wolf was banned because (depending on whose report you read) the wolf was recognised as a captive one but also that in the wild wolves are not really known to jump obstacles in this manner so was probably either bated to do so or trained to do so. All of this is speculative because to this day the photographer refuses to admit any wrong doing but it was the behavioural aspect that was the biggest 'give away'.
Whatever the truth, it shows how the 'ethics' of competitions has changed probably because human influence is expanding all the time making it harder to be genuinely 'untouched' and after all, it is animal behaviour that people are entranced by, not the location.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/jan/20/wolf-wildlife-photographer-award-stripped

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Re: Ethics of a photograph containing a baited animal
« Reply #93 on: December 22, 2017, 11:22:32 AM »


Nope

But this could be another debate. Do man made elements in a wildlife picture take away form the subject?
Should they be avoided?
A Wildlife Purist attitude maybe.
I try and avoid these kind of pics and they usually get deleted, it is just poor composition.


Interestingly, some of the premier wildlife photography competitions rejected any photograph that had human constructions or evidence of human activity. A few years ago (some or all, not sure which) they relaxed this to say that they would permit 'human elements' as long as the behaviour was wild. All this did was change the goal posts and led to the infamous case where a photo of a 'wild' wolf was banned because (depending on whose report you read) the wolf was recognised as a captive one but also that in the wild wolves are not really known to jump obstacles in this manner so was probably either bated to do so or trained to do so. All of this is speculative because to this day the photographer refuses to admit any wrong doing but it was the behavioural aspect that was the biggest 'give away'.
Whatever the truth, it shows how the 'ethics' of competitions has changed probably because human influence is expanding all the time making it harder to be genuinely 'untouched' and after all, it is animal behaviour that people are entranced by, not the location.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/jan/20/wolf-wildlife-photographer-award-stripped

I remember reading that several years ago. Everything about it looked staged.

But there are human elements in this picture. A fence/gate.
While it isn't baiting it would be a natural act for a wolf to jump a fence to get in to a pen to eat a chicken.
In this instance a wild wolf would have most likely crawled through or under.

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Re: Ethics of a photograph containing a baited animal
« Reply #94 on: December 22, 2017, 02:04:06 PM »
Hi Don.
And today’s quote of the day goes to
“when you are 130 feet up, on the side of a tower, you have very little control over composition. Stepping back a few feet means a loud scream, followed by a thud!”a  ;D ;D

Thanks for the laugh, the back story is interesting too.

Cheers, Graham.

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Re: Ethics of a photograph containing a baited animal
« Reply #95 on: December 22, 2017, 02:08:35 PM »
Hi Don.
And today’s quote of the day goes to
“when you are 130 feet up, on the side of a tower, you have very little control over composition. Stepping back a few feet means a loud scream, followed by a thud!”a  ;D ;D

Thanks for the laugh, the back story is interesting too.

Cheers, Graham.

Then there as my war against the starlings who were making nests in the search and rescue satellite dishes.... In my infinite wisdom, I got some plastic owls and mounted them on the dish.... soon after I found that the birds had made a small hole in the plastic owls and were nesting inside!

What "bird brains".

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Re: Ethics of a photograph containing a baited animal
« Reply #96 on: December 22, 2017, 02:55:27 PM »
Then there as my war against the starlings who were making nests in the search and rescue satellite dishes.... In my infinite wisdom, I got some plastic owls and mounted them on the dish.... soon after I found that the birds had made a small hole in the plastic owls and were nesting inside!

 ;D ;D ;D Funny story.  :D

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Re: Ethics of a photograph containing a baited animal
« Reply #96 on: December 22, 2017, 02:55:27 PM »