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Re: Ethics of a photograph containing a baited animal
« Reply #75 on: December 21, 2017, 05:57:04 PM »
Science and conscience should go hand in hand. Just ask the concentration camp "docs"/"scientists". Wait, conscience didn't exist for them.

Next stop on this thread:  Godwin's Law

(Fully hear your point, but please find another metaphor, thank you.)

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Re: Ethics of a photograph containing a baited animal
« Reply #75 on: December 21, 2017, 05:57:04 PM »

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Re: Ethics of a photograph containing a baited animal
« Reply #76 on: December 21, 2017, 05:58:16 PM »
CanonFanBoy, I tend to agree with you that a healthy skepticism is needed regarding experts but there needs to be very solid evidence that prompts that approach.  Often an expert in a given field becomes a spokesperson for unrelated fields and their PhD is held up as being meaningful.  It isn't, other than perhaps being indicative of mental ability. And then there is the politics - ugh.  How many so called experts lack what is called "common sense".

These days getting the "truth" is increasingly difficult. :(

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Re: Ethics of a photograph containing a baited animal
« Reply #77 on: December 21, 2017, 06:17:39 PM »
This has gone from informative to entertaining! :) ;D  I read CR for the humour.

BTW, the woodpecker you see under my name was baited rewarded for posing ... there, my conscience is clear! ;)

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And the animal you see under my name was baited rewarded for posing ... there, my conscience is also clear
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Re: Ethics of a photograph containing a baited animal
« Reply #78 on: December 21, 2017, 06:26:40 PM »

However, the basic fact is that anyone who thinks that they can photograph wildlife without exploiting it in some way is living in a fantasy world.

And so started the photographer-macaque copyright case...


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Re: Ethics of a photograph containing a baited animal
« Reply #79 on: December 21, 2017, 09:22:59 PM »
So far, my belief is that this photo, should never go into my portfolio because the animal was baited.
Like model situation. Man made construct. Many portfolio with model picture.

100% wrong.  Human models are able to decide for themselves whether the modeling contract is a fair bargain, wild animals are not. 

No difference. Bird not dive for fish if small like sardine. Model not agree for $1. Only difference you think animal not smart, yes? You not understand how smart animal.

And your name orangutan. What you think of this animal, smart or not smart?

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Re: Ethics of a photograph containing a baited animal
« Reply #80 on: December 21, 2017, 10:00:24 PM »
CanonFanBoy, I tend to agree with you that a healthy skepticism is needed regarding experts but there needs to be very solid evidence that prompts that approach.  Often an expert in a given field becomes a spokesperson for unrelated fields and their PhD is held up as being meaningful.  It isn't, other than perhaps being indicative of mental ability. And then there is the politics - ugh.  How many so called experts lack what is called "common sense".

These days getting the "truth" is increasingly difficult. :(

Jack

So true. I defer to the biologist / photographer expert at Dutch Harbor. He just isn't an expert Orangutan will accept because he goes against O's ethical views. There must be no dissent. Obey!  :)
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Re: Ethics of a photograph containing a baited animal
« Reply #81 on: December 21, 2017, 10:29:38 PM »
So..... is this ethical?.....
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Re: Ethics of a photograph containing a baited animal
« Reply #82 on: December 21, 2017, 10:35:00 PM »
Is this ethical?
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Re: Ethics of a photograph containing a baited animal
« Reply #83 on: December 21, 2017, 10:52:02 PM »
So..... is this ethical?.....

Not with that lens. You need a Canon lens to be 100% ethical.
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Re: Ethics of a photograph containing a baited animal
« Reply #84 on: December 21, 2017, 11:07:04 PM »
Don, I know you reward your subjects richly.  Where's Harry the Heron to speak up and give his opinion?  The bread was fed to the fish, not Harry. ;)

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Re: Ethics of a photograph containing a baited animal
« Reply #85 on: December 22, 2017, 03:51:50 AM »
Hi Jack.
Yes the adventures of Harry were good, but I think that was more of a pest control situation, feed the invasive fish species to trick them in to getting eaten by Harry.

Cheers, Graham.

Don, I know you reward your subjects richly.  Where's Harry the Heron to speak up and give his opinion?  The bread was fed to the fish, not Harry. ;)

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Re: Ethics of a photograph containing a baited animal
« Reply #86 on: December 22, 2017, 08:53:19 AM »
So far, my belief is that this photo, should never go into my portfolio because the animal was baited.
Like model situation. Man made construct. Many portfolio with model picture.

100% wrong.  Human models are able to decide for themselves whether the modeling contract is a fair bargain, wild animals are not. 

You don't feed a Labrador Retriever all the food it wants because it can't see the long-term effects of excess consumption.

You are the one 100% wrong. The animal decides if it wants to eat the food provided.

and

The food for my Lab is in a feeder that continually dispenses. Food is always in front of it. It is lean and trim because it is active and works. Fat labs are usually the result of lazy people who do not understand the responsibility of owning an active dog.

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Re: Ethics of a photograph containing a baited animal
« Reply #87 on: December 22, 2017, 09:02:32 AM »
Is this ethical?

Nope

But this could be another debate. Do man made elements in a wildlife picture take away form the subject?
Should they be avoided?
A Wildlife Purist attitude maybe.
I try and avoid these kind of pics and they usually get deleted, it is just poor composition.

As for the OP's original post, has any one even asked if the fish in the picture is a native to that lake?
What kind of carp set up would that be if the prop fish isn't  accurate.

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« Reply #87 on: December 22, 2017, 09:02:32 AM »

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Re: Ethics of a photograph containing a baited animal
« Reply #88 on: December 22, 2017, 09:06:44 AM »
So..... is this ethical?.....

In another post a Labrador Retriever was mentioned. Would it have been unethical to bring the Lab for a shoot like this so I could get a few BIF shots.

He would have gotten his daily exercise and he would have had fun doing it. Is my Lab unethical, he is just going with his instincts?

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Re: Ethics of a photograph containing a baited animal
« Reply #89 on: December 22, 2017, 09:18:45 AM »
Is this ethical?

Nope

But this could be another debate. Do man made elements in a wildlife picture take away form the subject?
Should they be avoided?
A Wildlife Purist attitude maybe.
I try and avoid these kind of pics and they usually get deleted, it is just poor composition.

As for the OP's original post, has any one even asked if the fish in the picture is a native to that lake?
What kind of carp set up would that be if the prop fish isn't  accurate.

I built this antenna about 30 years ago..... and then Ospreys started building nests in it.... this resulted in a several year battle between myself and the ospreys, in the end we put up a 90 foot post with a nesting platform on top. Fast forward 20 years and there are now 6 different osprey nests clustered around the edges of the field and they like to sit on top of my antenna and watch the river. Definitely a case of man altering the environment.....

And btw, when you are 130 feet up, on the side of a tower, you have very little control over composition. Stepping back a few feet means a loud scream, followed by a thud!
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Re: Ethics of a photograph containing a baited animal
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