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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2018, 04:53:47 PM »
As a 7d2 shooter this is the camera I am watching this VERY closely as a future upgrade. Canon are more than welcome to put 4k on it but there are two things that would likely make it a problem if they went down that road. Canon. DO NOT take away my left side buttons. A tilty screen would be great but NOT a fully articulating screen. I want my buttons. And do not risk overheating issues for increased video performance(TBH I am not really concerned this will be the case). The 7d2 will be wildlife stills centric and video will be a fluffy add on and as such it should compete with the D500 on sensor performance and autofocus. If it does that then it will demolish D500 sales as the only reason D500's are selling so well compared to 7d2's is that canon shooters already had a crop wildlife specialist and Nikon shooters had a new product to jump on.
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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2018, 04:53:47 PM »

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2018, 05:17:11 PM »
My M5 crops the image a little when taking videos, to allow for sensor shift for the IS.
Perhaps the 7d3 will have some sort of sensor shift to help the IS for video?

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2018, 05:44:56 PM »
Based on continual developments like this, the market for video must be larger than my personal experience indicates. I have several photographer friends and none of us (myself included) ever uses the video feature on our DSLR. I wish they made two versions of cameras like my 5D4, one with video and one without. Even if the price was the same, I would still buy the one without just to eliminate an extra button and menu set that I don't want or need.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2018, 05:47:02 PM »
There's that and there's the fact that the 7d line already takes a beating from the competition in stills anyway.

I would love to read your data on that.  Honestly.  Does it exist?  Or are we projecting how 'things must be' based on the D500 spec sheet?

(I don't say that snarkily, I honestly would love to see some data.  I'm curious how it is selling.)

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2018, 05:50:31 PM »
the only reason D500's are selling so well compared to 7d2's is that canon shooters already had a crop wildlife specialist and Nikon shooters had a new product to jump on.

This makes sense, but again: DATA -- please.

The D500 is some mythical sales phenomenon based on the comments of this forum.  Are there numbers to go with that myth?

FTR, your comment above is certainly plausible -- Nikon left that segment to die (or upgrade to FF) for a full cycle, so it's logical there was large number of trapped wildlifing/birding D7200 (or possibly D610/D750) users Nikon had waiting to come back once the D500 was announced.  But do we have numbers to back that up?

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2018, 05:55:37 PM »
My M5 crops the image a little when taking videos, to allow for sensor shift for the IS.
Perhaps the 7d3 will have some sort of sensor shift to help the IS for video?

You probably can disable that crop. At least in compact cameras one can do that.

I assume it creates two pixels from three which means it used 3840*1.5 = 5760 pixels and assuming it has 6000 x 4000 pixel sensor it means  4% crop horizontally.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2018, 05:56:42 PM »
the only reason D500's are selling so well compared to 7d2's is that canon shooters already had a crop wildlife specialist and Nikon shooters had a new product to jump on.

This makes sense, but again: DATA -- please.

The D500 is some mythical sales phenomenon based on the comments of this forum.  Are there numbers to go with that myth?

FTR, your comment above is certainly plausible -- Nikon left that segment to die (or upgrade to FF) for a full cycle, so it's logical there was large number of trapped wildlifing/birding D7200 (or possibly D610/D750) users Nikon had waiting to come back once the D500 was announced.  But do we have numbers to back that up?

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Good point. I will correct my statement by saying that the only reason the D500 is 'rumoured' to be selling so well is that it gave Nikon shooters an option they did not already have.
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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2018, 05:56:42 PM »

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2018, 06:09:37 PM »
Good point. I will correct my statement by saying that the only reason the D500 is 'rumoured' to be selling so well is that it gave Nikon shooters an option they did not already have.

...which makes perfect sense.  Esp. since they have a 200-500 f/5.6 IS lens for $1400 to use with it for birding.

I just want numbers on how it actually is selling.  Are they just flipping the dormant birders that were slugging it out with a D7200 rather than jumping to FF and buying huge glass to get their reach back?  Are they converting Canonites?

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2018, 06:28:13 PM »
I don't really care what 4K codec they decide to use, but I'd love to see 1080/ 120fps. I constantly hear fellow shooters wanting that. I'm fine with the MJPEG. Pulling frames for images is far better.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2018, 06:45:57 PM »
<PEDANTIC MODE ON>
Seeing as the aspect ratio of 4K video is different to the aspect of the APS-C sensor, there will ALWAYS be some crop with 4k video
<PEDANTIC MODE OFF>



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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2018, 07:07:04 PM »
<PEDANTIC MODE ON>
Seeing as the aspect ratio of 4K video is different to the aspect of the APS-C sensor, there will ALWAYS be some crop with 4k video
<PEDANTIC MODE OFF>

Missed opportunity for a new line of EF-SA (anamorphic) glass  ;D

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2018, 07:33:00 PM »
I wouldn’t cases much for 4K. It’s so memory intensive. You’d need to be doing serious video work. A Panasonic GH5 wouldbetter for that. I’d take 1000FPS HD if it were available as it would be a fun feature.
I would like a flippy screen, fully articulated- very handy I think.
As a 7D2 owner it’s really about the image quality.
The ISO performance was woeful day 1. I find it poor in high contrast light. Very poor when ISO goes above 3200. This camera is for action, high shutter speeds - you need to have good ISO performance.
I’ll be really curious if they can make it a lot better.
If they improve focusing or increased focus points and don’t improve the ISO performance greatly I’ll let it pass by.
I might be tempted by a Sony or wait to see if a 1DX III is worth saving for.
I’d be slow to invest in a Sony but the FPS is attractive and two lens 70-200 and when it arrives a 400 or 500 F4 would do
A super performing 7DIII would be a much cheaper option.
My own guess is it will be 10 FPS , 4K , 1 stop ISO improvement okayish camera, middling reviews, Tipa award winning camera.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2018, 07:49:33 PM »
I wouldn’t cases much for 4K. It’s so memory intensive. You’d need to be doing serious video work. A Panasonic GH5 wouldbetter for that. I’d take 1000FPS HD if it were available as it would be a fun feature.


That’s over 2 billion pixels per second. It would make 4k 30p look downright quaint from a memory perspective .

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2018, 07:49:33 PM »

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2018, 09:08:47 PM »
As a 7dmk2 shooter, I genuinely wouldn't care if the 7dmk3 didn't shoot video at all.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2018, 09:40:12 PM »
People seem to forget the original 7D was THE DSLR video camera of choice for a few years when it first appeared.

The 60D, which came less than a year later, was actually better for video. As well as the flippy screen, it offered VGA crop mode and manual recording volume control.
Yep, and until Magic Lantern unlocked it for all cameras, the T3i was quite nice too since it had the 3x tele mode as well.

Canon clearly dont see video in DSLR's as a major draw anymore, because if I wanted quality video at 4k, Id get a GH5 for 60% the price, throw a metabones adapter on, and forget a Canon camera even did video.

Wouldnt kill them to do 1080/96 though, since the GH4 managed to do it 4 years before this camera will be released.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]
« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2018, 09:40:12 PM »