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Whoop here it is ; ad600 PRO
« on: January 04, 2018, 05:26:30 PM »

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Re: Whoop here it is ; ad600 PRO
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2018, 05:39:46 PM »
what do you wanna know?
I have the Godox version but it is the same box.
I moved from Einstein to the AD600+AD200 and very happy.

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Re: Whoop here it is ; ad600 PRO
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2018, 06:03:27 PM »
I'm trying to see all the actual differences.  What I see so far:

1. Faster recycle time (< 1 sec @ full power)
2. 3x more powerful LED modeling lamp
3. Integrated reflector

What else am I missing?  I picked up a couple of the "old" version when they went on sale for half this price.  Pretty sure I'd still pick the old one at the price I paid over this new one at double the price.  Maybe I'm missing something, though.  Maybe the super fast recycle is worth the extra amount?
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Re: Whoop here it is ; ad600 PRO
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2018, 06:48:23 PM »
what do you wanna know?
I have the Godox version but it is the same box.
I moved from Einstein to the AD600+AD200 and very happy.


What do you prefer about the Godox besides high speed sync?  I'm debating between the two and appreciate your insight.

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Re: Whoop here it is ; ad600 PRO
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2018, 01:51:13 AM »
What do you guys think?

https://www.adorama.com/g/XPLOR-600PRO?utm_content=buffer7ed04&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Knowing you have used both the Profoto B1 and Broncolor Siros 800, I'm pretty sure you'd feel familiar with an AD600 TTL. Roughly same power, size and features.

Unless Godox have vastly improved on power and colour consistent with this pro version, you'd be better off with what you've already tried:

https://youtu.be/_Ou8ROX5dpo
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Re: Whoop here it is ; ad600 PRO
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2018, 03:06:42 AM »
I wasn’t really asking if I should buy one, I’m not, but it’s always fun with new gear and just wondered what you guys think about it, would you consider it over a B1 or Bron or the previous ad600?

They seemed to have copied the bulb, with frosted front and transparent sides, and reflector from Broncolor. It looks great on paper with both better battery and power compared to a B1( x ), and a lot better color consistency. I’m sure Profoto will loose some sales, but I don’t think people buying Broncolor will worry about it.

The thing for me is ; how does it hold up over the next five years, ten years? A Bron Siros L isn’t cheap, but it could be cheaper if it lasts twice as long, which isn’t really all that unlikely.

And the thing I check first when buying a lamp is; which modifiers can I use. And Bowen’s makes a lot of them, but are they any good? To me they aren’t compared to Profoto and Bron.

And just as a small facepalm, WHY do they insist on making power adjustments in 1/3 stops instead of 1/10??

Anyway, this ad600 PRO will sell by the boatload I think...
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Re: Whoop here it is ; ad600 PRO
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2018, 03:10:30 AM »
What do you guys think?

https://www.adorama.com/g/XPLOR-600PRO?utm_content=buffer7ed04&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Knowing you have used both the Profoto B1 and Broncolor Siros 800, I'm pretty sure you'd feel familiar with an AD600 TTL. Roughly same power, size and features.

Unless Godox have vastly improved on power and colour consistent with this pro version, you'd be better off with what you've already tried:

https://youtu.be/_Ou8ROX5dpo

The HUGE difference for me from B1 and Ad600 to Siros L is power output beyond sync speed. Having 800Ws with HS compared to 500Ws HSS is the difference between f1.4 iso 100 1/8000s and f8 iso 100 1/8000s, which means a lot faster in use due to lower power settings and just that freedom to use three diffusers or a BD in harsh sunlight. And also with syncspeed, faster duration with higher power.
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Re: Whoop here it is ; ad600 PRO
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2018, 03:10:30 AM »

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Re: Whoop here it is ; ad600 PRO
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2018, 08:44:56 AM »
I wasn’t really asking if I should buy one, I’m not, but it’s always fun with new gear and just wondered what you guys think about it, would you consider it over a B1 or Bron or the previous ad600?

They seemed to have copied the bulb, with frosted front and transparent sides, and reflector from Broncolor. It looks great on paper with both better battery and power compared to a B1( x ), and a lot better color consistency. I’m sure Profoto will loose some sales, but I don’t think people buying Broncolor will worry about it.

The thing for me is ; how does it hold up over the next five years, ten years? A Bron Siros L isn’t cheap, but it could be cheaper if it lasts twice as long, which isn’t really all that unlikely.

And the thing I check first when buying a lamp is; which modifiers can I use. And Bowen’s makes a lot of them, but are they any good? To me they aren’t compared to Profoto and Bron.

And just as a small facepalm, WHY do they insist on making power adjustments in 1/3 stops instead of 1/10??

Anyway, this ad600 PRO will sell by the boatload I think...
I didn't even realize that it is a new version. I was thinking about the existing.
I need a 2nd light anyway so I am going to go for this one. I need one before summer.

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Re: Whoop here it is ; ad600 PRO
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2018, 10:33:13 AM »
what do you wanna know?
I have the Godox version but it is the same box.
I moved from Einstein to the AD600+AD200 and very happy.


What do you prefer about the Godox besides high speed sync?  I'm debating between the two and appreciate your insight.
I didn't realize that there is a new PRO version so I was referring to the old (current) version that I have.
It comes down to what you need it for.
Last time I used Profoto was in school and I never considered it in my analysis, mainly because of cost, not only associated with the light itself but as well the modifier - I hate closed system and I try to avoid them whenever possible.
The Jinbei and Godox systems use Bowens mount and allows you for a bunch of modifiers starting from the cheapest to the most expensive. I bought so many of them, until (after 5 years) I settled on 3 of them. I started with the cheapest and once I knew what I needed then I bought the expensive ones.

I strongly suggest you take the advice of someone shooting what you do (or close).
I don't shoot in studio anymore. If I was still, I would have stayed with Einstein. But I do only on location and the Einstein+vagabond mini became a big issue.

The only thing I am missing from the Einstein is burst, which I still use when shooting wedding during flower tossing. But last year I didn't shoot any and planning on doing only one or two this new year so I am not going to miss that feature that much.

Since I shoot on location color consistency means not much to me. The outdoor light coming from the window, the color temperature changing during the day, the presence of the cloud - all that has impact on the color of the available light so whatever variation I had on my strobe due to change of power doesn't really matter.
Comparing Einstein to AD600, I choose the GODOX because:
1 - portability. I shoot on location and I move to a different spot every 10-15min. A cordless system is very helpful. I have my counterweight in a back pack, my camera in one hand and the light in the other.
2 - included receiver. I need different flash power depending on location and time; sometimes I need 600W at full power, sometimes 200W and sometimes a speedlite at minimum power. The fact that Godox allows me to use only one transmitter for all of their flashes without the need for a receiver became important.
3 - TTL. I shoot not only portrait but event as well. When doing a bounce flash during run and gun, my head is on what I have to shoot not what flash power I need. TTL allows me to shoot without worrying about how far is my flash from my subject. The error from TTL is far more acceptable than doing a math in the head without measuring. Not to mention that it is faster as well; you just turn, zoom in or out and shoot.
4 - HSS. When shooting at flash contribution around 50% (1 stop darker background) or less (fill flash), shutter speed becomes important not only to compensate for subject movement but handshake as well. Indoor, I shoot mainly with 85 1.2, outdoor 135 2.0, both non stabilized. Ever since I moved to 1DX II I adopted live view shooting using face recognition. This allows me to shoot from the ground and way above my head without the need for a ladder and handshake became important. I realized that 1/250th sec is no longer safe and I had to increase it to 1/320th or even 1/400th sometimes. It became obvious for dynamic posing (continuous posing), or walking/dancing subject.
The AD600 allows for higher speed than I really need, not to mention that allows me to use my preferred F-stop range when shooting outdoor (2.0 - 5.6) without the need for ND filter (which I hate).

The new one (based on leaked spec), will have faster recycle time (which is desperately needed at full power) as well as more powerful modeling lamp. I rarely need the modeling lamp, however there are times when modeling helps greatly (symmetric face with butterfly lighting for example).
Again, color consistency is not a need for me, but who knows maybe I will have to shoot in studio someday, but for now I don't need it.
As my main light, I don't mind the price increase. I need just one anyway; two different lights but using the same trigger - I don't see a problem.

Hope that helps in understand why Godox over Einstein.

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Re: Whoop here it is ; ad600 PRO
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2018, 05:02:58 PM »
This is helpful.   I would not be using strobes in studio.  I shoot mostly on location shots.  Thank you so much.

Is it easy to obtain and get replacement parts, bulbs etc.?
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Re: Whoop here it is ; ad600 PRO
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2018, 05:36:41 PM »
This is helpful.   I would not be using strobes in studio.  I shoot mostly on location shots.  Thank you so much.

Is it easy to obtain and get replacement parts, bulbs etc.?
That is still my big unknown at this time. I would call Adorama if you are in the state.
I am in Canada so only battery and bulb I can replace (whatever is via ebay/amazon). I have had mine for 1 year now, I dropped it twice and still working well.

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Re: Whoop here it is ; ad600 PRO
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2018, 10:28:27 AM »
Extremely interesting!

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