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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2018, 04:28:53 AM »
Office is a bigger part of their business than imaging. Not sure if the future s bright for printing. They probably want to get more into profitable areas like medical imaging or security video cameras or military equipment . Consumer cameras might not be a big driver for growth.

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« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2018, 04:39:21 AM »
he's speaking about innovations and Canon still launches stuff like 6d mk II and G1x mkIII ? He must be doing drugs or something

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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2018, 07:25:15 AM »
I read "We will open up a research and development center in the U.S.'s Silicon Valley, where we will actively adopt new technology aimed at producing faster EF-M lenses." Wasn't that the gist of it?

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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2018, 09:08:11 AM »
Part of the issue is that Canon sees the increasing demand for cameras, and is not well placed to provide them.  Cameras for smart phones, automobiles, face recognition which can be used almost everywhere from front door locks to automobiles, and they are fooling with DSLR's and printers while letting the big money and the future get away.

Canon is shopping, their profits have soared since they bought Axis and Toshiba Medical.  I'[d look for them to get into sensor production and face recognition tech in a big way.
There you go... Canon is already heavily invested in the big brother business.


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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2018, 09:30:54 AM »
To me this does not tell me anything or giving me any confidence. Even if I have to assume he is talking about Cameras, hypothetically let's say if they open up an R&D division in 2018 and start research immediately by the time we see a product coming to the market it will be too late. Two of my most respected reviewers Dustin Abbott and Christopher Frost are in to Sony already and Dustin mentioned he is waiting for his a7r3. Sure there are some caveats with Sony but with dual card slots and decent lens line up Sony is an attractive option for even professional photographers except for wildlife, sports and astro photography. Once Sigma and Tamron starts to deliver full frame lenses for E mount we will see more people jumping ship. Canon is losing its user base slowly and sure enough if they do not come up with a camera that shoots 4k with a decent codec in 2018, I am sure they will loose more market share. I am not even talking about mirror less, just offer the 4k30 with h.265 codec and 1080p 120fps on a DSLR with C-log, focus peaking and zebras

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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2018, 11:19:09 AM »
From our perspective as camera aficionados, this is something of a disturbing interview.  Read the following quotes:
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Q: How far is Canon in fulfilling its medium-term plan to 2020?

A: We aim to make at least 5 trillion yen ($44.1 billion) in consolidated sales. It is definitely not impossible if we maintain the current economic situation and stable exchange rates. I see cameras contributing over 30% and office equipment another 40%, while new business segments, with health care at the center, will account for the rest.

Q: Tell us about upcoming mergers and acquisitions.

A: In particular, we will implement M&As that will further strengthen areas where we've already made acquisitions. Future purchases will supplement the health care, security camera and industrial equipment segments, with no bias toward either hardware or software.
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That reads to me as 'the camera business, which is only 30% of our business, is stable, so we're going to expand into other areas to enhance our revenue.

Rather than 'we're going to spend lots to make the camera business better'.

Many massive corporations started in one area and eventually moved into totally different areas, eventually abandoning their original business.  2020 will not be a problem, but I would watch to see if they really continue developing new hardware...I wouldn't be surprised to find by 2040 Canon has moved beyond cameras entirely.

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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2018, 11:43:12 AM »
To me this does not tell me anything or giving me any confidence. Even if I have to assume he is talking about Cameras, hypothetically let's say if they open up an R&D division in 2018 and start research immediately by the time we see a product coming to the market it will be too late. Two of my most respected reviewers Dustin Abbott and Christopher Frost are in to Sony already and Dustin mentioned he is waiting for his a7r3. Sure there are some caveats with Sony but with dual card slots and decent lens line up Sony is an attractive option for even professional photographers except for wildlife, sports and astro photography. Once Sigma and Tamron starts to deliver full frame lenses for E mount we will see more people jumping ship. Canon is losing its user base slowly and sure enough if they do not come up with a camera that shoots 4k with a decent codec in 2018, I am sure they will loose more market share. I am not even talking about mirror less, just offer the 4k30 with h.265 codec and 1080p 120fps on a DSLR with C-log, focus peaking and zebras

I'm happy they admit this publicly. Canon was awarded more patent in 2016 than Google, Microsoft, and Apple. It's unclear how much of it will materialize, but it's not like they contemplate to  " start research immediately ". It could be simply be mean they got the OK from the boss to allow their engineer division to not be hold back from by other division. Whatever it may be, it's not like they are starting from the beginning ;-).

I'm currently shooting with 5D IV for weddings, and honestly switching to Sony A7RIII or D850 won't make any differences in image quality and it would be alot more expensive to switch. Lighting, creativity, working on your craft, post-processing is more of a different maker once you have a certain level of parity in equipment.

Remember how photographers hate to hear "You have a nice camera" when people compliment their nice picture. The irony is all these photographers are all chasing specs.

If camera manufacture make a compelling camera, I'll upgrade otherwise I'll skip a generation.

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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2018, 12:40:53 PM »
Sure there are some caveats with Sony but with dual card slots and decent lens line up Sony is an attractive option for even professional photographers except for wildlife, sports and astro photography.

Which Canon cameras that pros would consider buying lacks dual card slots? At most the xxD line, if any.

Canon is losing its user base slowly

IIRC, sales figures have shown otherwise.

and sure enough if they do not come up with a camera that shoots 4k with a decent codec in 2018, I am sure they will loose more market share.

4K is niche.

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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2018, 12:55:02 PM »
Sure there are some caveats with Sony but with dual card slots and decent lens line up Sony is an attractive option for even professional photographers except for wildlife, sports and astro photography.

Which Canon cameras that pros would consider buying lacks dual card slots? At most the xxD line, if any.

Canon is losing its user base slowly

IIRC, sales figures have shown otherwise.

and sure enough if they do not come up with a camera that shoots 4k with a decent codec in 2018, I am sure they will loose more market share.

4K is niche.

High megapixel photos are also niche.

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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2018, 04:24:13 PM »
Too late, just jumped ship and got an A7Riii. Sticking with Canon glass as the AF is excellent on the Sony so may return eventually depending on what they come up with.
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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2018, 05:21:43 PM »
Sure there are some caveats with Sony but with dual card slots and decent lens line up Sony is an attractive option for even professional photographers except for wildlife, sports and astro photography.

Which Canon cameras that pros would consider buying lacks dual card slots? At most the xxD line, if any.

Canon is losing its user base slowly

IIRC, sales figures have shown otherwise.

and sure enough if they do not come up with a camera that shoots 4k with a decent codec in 2018, I am sure they will loose more market share.

4K is niche.

High megapixel photos are also niche.

I should add that this is sarcasm and meant to be taken as such. 4K is so niche, it’s been in every flagship iPhone model for 3 years now, while the photo resolution of those iPhones has stayed at 12MP. 4K TVs are less than $500 now. Time for Canon to take 4K seriously.

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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2018, 06:04:27 PM »
Sure there are some caveats with Sony but with dual card slots and decent lens line up Sony is an attractive option for even professional photographers except for wildlife, sports and astro photography.

Which Canon cameras that pros would consider buying lacks dual card slots? At most the xxD line, if any.

Canon is losing its user base slowly

IIRC, sales figures have shown otherwise.

and sure enough if they do not come up with a camera that shoots 4k with a decent codec in 2018, I am sure they will loose more market share.

4K is niche.

High megapixel photos are also niche.

I should add that this is sarcasm and meant to be taken as such. 4K is so niche, it’s been in every flagship iPhone model for 3 years now, while the photo resolution of those iPhones has stayed at 12MP. 4K TVs are less than $500 now. Time for Canon to take 4K seriously.

they won't.  it's a DSLR meant for stills photography with an addon of the ability to shoot some form of video.

and no matter how much you scream about it, it really hasn't hurt canon sales, so apparently they have a much better pulse on the stills photography market than the handful of loud video people that want it added to a DSLR.

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« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2018, 06:05:37 PM »
From our perspective as camera aficionados, this is something of a disturbing interview.  Read the following quotes:
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Q: How far is Canon in fulfilling its medium-term plan to 2020?

A: We aim to make at least 5 trillion yen ($44.1 billion) in consolidated sales. It is definitely not impossible if we maintain the current economic situation and stable exchange rates. I see cameras contributing over 30% and office equipment another 40%, while new business segments, with health care at the center, will account for the rest.

Q: Tell us about upcoming mergers and acquisitions.

A: In particular, we will implement M&As that will further strengthen areas where we've already made acquisitions. Future purchases will supplement the health care, security camera and industrial equipment segments, with no bias toward either hardware or software.
---------

That reads to me as 'the camera business, which is only 30% of our business, is stable, so we're going to expand into other areas to enhance our revenue.

Rather than 'we're going to spend lots to make the camera business better'.

Many massive corporations started in one area and eventually moved into totally different areas, eventually abandoning their original business.  2020 will not be a problem, but I would watch to see if they really continue developing new hardware...I wouldn't be surprised to find by 2040 Canon has moved beyond cameras entirely.

someone gets this.

this has ZERO to do with cameras, and the reality is Canon is simply doing "just enough" for cameras, and focusing it's money and energy into emerging technologies and medical.

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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2018, 06:05:37 PM »

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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2018, 07:11:35 PM »
Canon was awarded more patent in 2016 than Google, Microsoft, and Apple.
Patent does not mean anything to a consumer unless they are delivered as features in products that comes out to the market

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I'm currently shooting with 5D IV for weddings, and honestly switching to Sony A7RIII or D850 won't make any differences in image quality
I agree 5D4 is a great camera in fact that is my go to camera. I have no complaints about 5D4 on the stills department. The part that I hate is Canon not offering any usable 4k video and HFR recording or at least RAW 4k out so an external recorder can be used. They deliberately held back on the 4k HDMI out and later claimed the designers did not had access to HDMI 2.0 h/w. The fact is HDMI 2.0 was defined years ago and they were readily available for their competitors and audio and video equipment manufacturers
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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2018, 07:23:56 PM »
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Which Canon cameras that pros would consider buying lacks dual card slots? At most the xxD line, if any.

not sure what you mean here. I referred to Sony a7r3 that has dual slots and IMO the dual card slot will clear the way for many more professionals like wedding photographers to switch over to Sony. Another reason I think that way is I consider Sony A9 and A7r3 are the two decent cameras Sony has put out there. Yes a72, A7r2 and a7s2 were good but they had their own issues as well. a7r3 has addressed lot of them. Regardless of what many Sony fan boys says I consider all Sony's older cameras except a6300 and a6500 are mediocre at best.
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IIRC, sales figures have shown otherwise.
True, I should have made that clear. I hear about more and more hybrid shooters switching over to Sony because of the video features. Most people I have been following on youtube for years have switched one by one. Like me many has adopted Sony as a second system because of video features but not able to switch over because Sony has short comings as well. If you want to know more on this read my post here http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=34057.msg698706#msg698706
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4K is niche.
Absolutely, especially for Canon fan boys because there is no option at all

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