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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2018, 09:27:18 PM »
Has AvTvM become CEO at Canon ? 🤪

no.
1. I am not old [and senile] enough yet for the job
2. And in interviews i don't just talk, but say something ... specific 
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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2018, 09:27:18 PM »

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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2018, 09:59:30 PM »
From our perspective as camera aficionados, this is something of a disturbing interview.
 
...That reads to me as 'the camera business, which is only 30% of our business, is stable, so we're going to expand into other areas to enhance our revenue.

Rather than 'we're going to spend lots to make the camera business better'...

someone gets this.

this has ZERO to do with cameras, and the reality is Canon is simply doing "just enough" for cameras, and focusing it's money and energy into emerging technologies and medical.

It's a bit more complex than that.

You can't simply "spend lots to make the camera business better."

No amount of spending is going to significantly boost demand. All manufacturers are fighting to capture a share of the enthusiast market, which is about the only market left for cameras. And, that market is aging out rapidly. Once baby boomers get too old to spend their discretionary income on travel and hobbies, cameras sales are likely to plummet even further.

Given the realities of the market, we should be pleased that Canon is diversifying and investing in new technologies that have the potential to generate innovation with spillover effects to the consumer market. Research and development in medical imaging, defense and security may yield new technologies that can translate to the consumer market. Without the incentives offered by these new areas, there simply would not be sufficient return on investment from the consumer imaging sector to justify the kinds of investment needed for new innovations.

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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2018, 10:13:42 PM »
He might want to take some cutting edge innovation lessons from Sigma. Compared to them, Canon crawls along at a snail's pace on their hands and knees.

Pure hyperbole. Sigma is very good at shaving costs and reverse engineering...but true innovation? Not so much.

How dare you! I hear Sigma's AF tech is almost crawling on it's knees. At the moment... Sigma is just slithering along.  :o How is Sigma's camera line-up? Yeah, that's what I thought. Cutting edge. Ha!!! Innovation? Ha!!! Please list Sigma's innovations. Please. Thanks for the laugh, Kirk.
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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2018, 11:00:08 PM »
Sure there are some caveats with Sony but with dual card slots and decent lens line up Sony is an attractive option for even professional photographers except for wildlife, sports and astro photography.

Which Canon cameras that pros would consider buying lacks dual card slots? At most the xxD line, if any.

Canon is losing its user base slowly

IIRC, sales figures have shown otherwise.

and sure enough if they do not come up with a camera that shoots 4k with a decent codec in 2018, I am sure they will loose more market share.

4K is niche.

High megapixel photos are also niche.

I should add that this is sarcasm and meant to be taken as such. 4K is so niche, it’s been in every flagship iPhone model for 3 years now, while the photo resolution of those iPhones has stayed at 12MP. 4K TVs are less than $500 now. Time for Canon to take 4K seriously.

they won't.  it's a DSLR meant for stills photography with an addon of the ability to shoot some form of video.

and no matter how much you scream about it, it really hasn't hurt canon sales, so apparently they have a much better pulse on the stills photography market than the handful of loud video people that want it added to a DSLR.

Scream? Nah. But I can see some are very threatened by the idea of video in what is traditionally a stills camera. I always find it funny that those who complain the loudest about Canon fans desiring 4K are the ones most resentful or frightened of video entering their world of still photography. These technologies are merging (they have merged already) and they will continue to do so. Stills and high quality video can co-exist and you will not lose any of your precious stills capability because of it. In fact, the whole reason people complain and push for Canon to offer both in the same camera is because they LOVE the stills capability and want the quality of the video to live up to that promise of quality imagery (“See Impossible,” as the motto goes). It is inevitable that this will happen, and we are just trying to hasten that inevitability. It’s nothing to get upset about. Everyone here has the right to post and push and speak up for what they want to see in the products they love.

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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2018, 11:16:01 PM »
4K is niche.

High megapixel photos are also niche.

Yes, they are.

They are popular only because its easy and profitable for the manufacturers to participate in a megapixels war, e.g. due to customers insisting they bought a new 30MP 5DmkIV, so they ought to buy lenses that "match", such as the 24-105mm mkII.

But have no fear. When the competition becomes fierce enough, Canon will join the video megapixels war, and John Q. Public will get a DSLR with the 4K video he "needs" as well.
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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2018, 11:33:21 PM »
I have a bunch of Canon cameras and camcorders.  I love Canon. The thing is the Panasonic GH5 has better combination of video specs and price point than anything Canon has.  The word is that a GH5s is due to be announced shortly.  Lots of filmakers use the GH5. Then there is the Fuji GFX50.  You say why spend $6500 on that camera?  True, until you see the photos.  Then it's wow, where can I get the money to buy it.  So for me, it's I like Canon, but there are these other alternatives that offer more.  So I have to consider them. 


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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
« Reply #36 on: January 08, 2018, 12:19:06 AM »
Then there is the Fuji GFX50.

Yes, medium format has definite advantages. I wonder why those aren't more mainstream.

You say why spend $6500 on that camera? ... where can I get the money to buy it.

Ah, yes, that's why.

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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
« Reply #37 on: January 08, 2018, 02:43:59 AM »
4K is niche.

High megapixel photos are also niche.

Yes, they are.

They are popular only because its easy and profitable for the manufacturers to participate in a megapixels war, e.g. due to customers insisting they bought a new 30MP 5DmkIV, so they ought to buy lenses that "match", such as the 24-105mm mkII.

But have no fear. When the competition becomes fierce enough, Canon will join the video megapixels war, and John Q. Public will get a DSLR with the 4K video he "needs" as well.

Looking forward to it.

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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
« Reply #38 on: January 08, 2018, 04:00:03 AM »
I have a bunch of Canon cameras and camcorders.  I love Canon. The thing is the Panasonic GH5 has better combination of video specs and price point than anything Canon has.  The word is that a GH5s is due to be announced shortly.  Lots of filmakers use the GH5. Then there is the Fuji GFX50.  You say why spend $6500 on that camera?  True, until you see the photos.  Then it's wow, where can I get the money to buy it.  So for me, it's I like Canon, but there are these other alternatives that offer more.  So I have to consider them.
Many wildlife documentaries are being shot on with Panasonic/Canon Combo. This photo was posted by Sandesh Kadur couple of months back when he was shooting Pallas cats in Ladakh(India).

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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
« Reply #39 on: January 08, 2018, 06:25:55 AM »


Scream? Nah. But I can see some are very threatened by the idea of video in what is traditionally a stills camera. I always find it funny that those who complain the loudest about Canon fans desiring 4K are the ones most resentful or frightened of video entering their world of still photography. These technologies are merging (they have merged already) and they will continue to do so. Stills and high quality video can co-exist and you will not lose any of your precious stills capability because of it. In fact, the whole reason people complain and push for Canon to offer both in the same camera is because they LOVE the stills capability and want the quality of the video to live up to that promise of quality imagery (“See Impossible,” as the motto goes). It is inevitable that this will happen, and we are just trying to hasten that inevitability. It’s nothing to get upset about. Everyone here has the right to post and push and speak up for what they want to see in the products they love.

In your world, not wanting 4k is the same as being 'scared of' 4k, which amounts to tabloid style thinking (to put it politely). Almost childish (WAAAAH! Why don't people want what I want....?)
The only thing many have said is that there is no urgency to include 4k. It will come, of that I have no doubt and I have no complaints but when you say it shows Canon's incompetence and Canon's misunderstanding of the market, and Canon will suffer because they don't include it NOW then history proves you wrong, time and again. It is the sense of urgency where you are wrong yet you cannot understand this - you can't understand the facts nor can you understand the counterargument people put forward. If you want small-minded thinking, there it is...right there.
By the way, a few of your mates switching to Sony for video is not evidence of Canon 'suffering'.

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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
« Reply #40 on: January 08, 2018, 09:18:04 AM »
Good to innovate, but the last few "innovations" were kinda lackluster at a pace where competitor outshines with their menu of offerings. Raising "antennae" is no longer a good terminology...could be late in the game.  Perhaps offering better FULL 4 K /DPAF +..etc in your camera against competitor's A7Riii would be your challenge...
Today extending your "wireless" reception and listen to what Canon consumers want is a good thing...

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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
« Reply #41 on: January 08, 2018, 03:31:16 PM »
I don't want to see to much innovations as most of them nowdays make things worse and worse. We don't need cameras that can be used as
  • a camcorder
  • or microwave owen :)
  • or television
  • or ebook reader
  • or whatever.

Let a camera be a camera. What we do need is
  • a sensor that is able to decrease the effect of diffraction
  • an APS-C sensor with the same or better noise performance than the currently existing best full frame sensor
  • fast and very lightweight zoom lenses (for example, EF 100-400mm f/4, 750g or less)
  • thin compact cameras (maximum 34 mm deep) with APS-C or just a bit smaller sensors and relatively large zoom range and maximum aperture (for example, PowerShot SX900 20-300mm f/2.8-4.5)
  • better AF performance in low light conditions
  • better flare resistance and ghosting resistance.

This is what I would call innovation.

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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
« Reply #42 on: January 08, 2018, 04:41:17 PM »

Let a camera be a camera. What we do need is
  • a sensor that is able to decrease the effect of diffraction
  • an APS-C sensor with the same or better noise performance than the currently existing best full frame sensor
  • fast and very lightweight zoom lenses (for example, EF 100-400mm f/4, 750g or less)
  • thin compact cameras (maximum 34 mm deep) with APS-C or just a bit smaller sensors and relatively large zoom range and maximum aperture (for example, PowerShot SX900 20-300mm f/2.8-4.5)
  • better AF performance in low light conditions
  • better flare resistance and ghosting resistance.

This is what I would call innovation.

That is what I would call miracles
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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
« Reply #42 on: January 08, 2018, 04:41:17 PM »

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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
« Reply #43 on: January 08, 2018, 06:32:05 PM »
I read "We will open up a research and development center in the U.S.'s Silicon Valley, where we will actively adopt new technology aimed at producing faster EF-M lenses." Wasn't that the gist of it?

Ha!  Canon isn't offering fast EF-M glass because they haven't figured out how to do it yet!

Good one.   ;D

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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
« Reply #44 on: January 08, 2018, 06:38:28 PM »
That reads to me as 'the camera business, which is only 30% of our business, is stable, so we're going to expand into other areas to enhance our revenue.

..which is precisely what a smart CEO would do. 

Stable, mature markets tend to have very predictable returns; they don't explode in profitability all of a sudden.  It makes a ton of sense to print steady money from cameras as a cash cow (maintaining their level of quality and competitiveness) and funnel the remaining profits into more lucrative parts of the business.

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Re: Canon Inc. Boss Wants to See More Innovation
« Reply #44 on: January 08, 2018, 06:38:28 PM »