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Re: Canon Was Quiet at CES 2018, Expect More Noise Next Month Ahead of CP+
« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2018, 12:48:57 PM »
EF-S 60mm is unlikely (note I said "unlikely", not "impossible") to be remade any time soon as it's never been a particularly big-seller and they probably wouldn't make their money back on the R&D. The 180mm is in a similar situation. The two 100mm macros dominate in sales as far as Canon macros go, by such a degree it's a wonder that Canon keep making the 60 and 180 at all.
(Inb4 someone with no sense of perspective says "but I use it, so it must be a big deal!")

It's also entirely possible that the flower shooting crowd is being steamrolled by the (things made with) flour crowd.  The wider 28/35 crop macro lenses Canon put out recently was a very savvy move to gobble the burgeoning instagram food photography phenomenon.

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Re: Canon Was Quiet at CES 2018, Expect More Noise Next Month Ahead of CP+
« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2018, 12:48:57 PM »

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Re: Canon Was Quiet at CES 2018, Expect More Noise Next Month Ahead of CP+
« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2018, 01:10:38 PM »
EF-S 60mm is unlikely (note I said "unlikely", not "impossible") to be remade any time soon as it's never been a particularly big-seller and they probably wouldn't make their money back on the R&D. The 180mm is in a similar situation. The two 100mm macros dominate in sales as far as Canon macros go, by such a degree it's a wonder that Canon keep making the 60 and 180 at all.

FWIW, the 100/2.8L IS is ranked #54 on Amazon.com currently, the EF-S 60/2.8 is at #69, and the 100/2.8 USM is at #202.  That seems inconsistent with your highlighted statement above, and I'm curious as to the basis for your statement.
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Re: Canon Was Quiet at CES 2018, Expect More Noise Next Month Ahead of CP+
« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2018, 03:24:25 PM »
i'd be willing to bet (and also really really hope) that one of the lenses will be an EF-M lens :D
IF they also launch the M50 it would make sense to combine these 2
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Re: Canon Was Quiet at CES 2018, Expect More Noise Next Month Ahead of CP+
« Reply #33 on: January 16, 2018, 03:25:12 PM »
i'd be willing to bet (and also really really hope) that one of the lenses will be an EF-M lens :D
IF they also launch the M50 it would make sense to combine these 2

Ahhh, but what EF-M lens?  8)
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Re: Canon Was Quiet at CES 2018, Expect More Noise Next Month Ahead of CP+
« Reply #34 on: January 16, 2018, 03:49:50 PM »
i'd be willing to bet (and also really really hope) that one of the lenses will be an EF-M lens :D
IF they also launch the M50 it would make sense to combine these 2

Ahhh, but what EF-M lens?  8)

yeees...the million $ question...
some time ago an 85 1.8 (or something similar) was rumored for the M mount. now, this would make sense somehow AND IF it comes out and also covers the full frame image circle it would also confirm that the new FF mirrorless will have an M mount (kick in the n...teeth for adapter haters :D )

another option may be one of the patents we've seen released recently (a realistic one) in a zoom lens

i'm honestly hoping for either an ef-s 15-85 equivalent, or a high quality constant aperture standard zoom lens (maybe a 17-55 equivalent or wider or a 16-70 f/4 like sony have for the crop sensors)

what i'd really NOT want is another slow short range zoom...
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Re: Canon Was Quiet at CES 2018, Expect More Noise Next Month Ahead of CP+
« Reply #35 on: January 16, 2018, 03:51:51 PM »
Ahhh, but what EF-M lens?  8)

Surely, it's AvTvM's EF-M 85mm f/2.4 IS STM pancake.

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Re: Canon Was Quiet at CES 2018, Expect More Noise Next Month Ahead of CP+
« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2018, 04:02:21 PM »
Ahhh, but what EF-M lens?  8)

Surely, it's AvTvM's EF-M 85mm f/2.4 IS STM pancake.

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Re: Canon Was Quiet at CES 2018, Expect More Noise Next Month Ahead of CP+
« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2018, 04:02:21 PM »

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Re: Canon Was Quiet at CES 2018, Expect More Noise Next Month Ahead of CP+
« Reply #37 on: January 16, 2018, 04:03:48 PM »
Ahhh, but what EF-M lens?  8)

Surely, it's AvTvM's EF-M 85mm f/2.4 IS STM pancake.

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Nah, the 85 f/2.4 IS will come in EF mount, and the 50mm FOV equivalent f/1.4 IS will be EF-M.

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Re: Canon Was Quiet at CES 2018, Expect More Noise Next Month Ahead of CP+
« Reply #38 on: January 16, 2018, 04:09:55 PM »
Ahhh, but what EF-M lens?  8)

Surely, it's AvTvM's EF-M 85mm f/2.4 IS STM pancake.

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Nah, the 85 f/2.4 IS will come in EF mount, and the 50mm FOV equivalent f/1.4 IS will be EF-M.

Man, that's just cruel.  :'(
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Re: Canon Was Quiet at CES 2018, Expect More Noise Next Month Ahead of CP+
« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2018, 04:26:56 PM »
I want the ef-m 85 as well but in a 1.X variant.
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Re: Canon Was Quiet at CES 2018, Expect More Noise Next Month Ahead of CP+
« Reply #40 on: January 18, 2018, 11:03:28 AM »

"What I have found odd is the EOS M50 being called the “Kiss M” in certification. I don’t recall any other EOS M camera getting the KISS designation in Japan. It could be something, it’s probably nothing."


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Potentially, that's a very big deal. 

If mirrorless is going to retire almost all of the SLRs someday (other than the most demanding product lines), an 'overlap generation' like a Rebel SLR and Rebel mirrorless sold side by side makes a ton of sense. 

that theory was debunked the first time this came up. it's shipping with EF-M lenses, so it's not some type of crossover system.

I think you missed the point.  Yes, it's an EOS M camera and part of the current M lineup, taking EF-M lenses.  But the name is important.  'Kiss' is the Japanese equivalent of the North American designation, 'Rebel' – the nameplate for the entry-level SLRs, and later for entry-level dSLRs.  If Canon is applying the Kiss moniker to an EOS M camera, that indicates they're 'mainstreaming' the M platform, at least in Japan (where it would make sense to do that, initially).

or you're reading too much into naming conventions.

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Re: Canon Was Quiet at CES 2018, Expect More Noise Next Month Ahead of CP+
« Reply #41 on: January 18, 2018, 11:13:10 AM »

"What I have found odd is the EOS M50 being called the “Kiss M” in certification. I don’t recall any other EOS M camera getting the KISS designation in Japan. It could be something, it’s probably nothing."


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Potentially, that's a very big deal. 

If mirrorless is going to retire almost all of the SLRs someday (other than the most demanding product lines), an 'overlap generation' like a Rebel SLR and Rebel mirrorless sold side by side makes a ton of sense. 

that theory was debunked the first time this came up. it's shipping with EF-M lenses, so it's not some type of crossover system.

I think you missed the point.  Yes, it's an EOS M camera and part of the current M lineup, taking EF-M lenses.  But the name is important.  'Kiss' is the Japanese equivalent of the North American designation, 'Rebel' – the nameplate for the entry-level SLRs, and later for entry-level dSLRs.  If Canon is applying the Kiss moniker to an EOS M camera, that indicates they're 'mainstreaming' the M platform, at least in Japan (where it would make sense to do that, initially).

or you're reading too much into naming conventions.

Canon's branding startegy with the Rebel/Kiss monikers is pretty clear.  But either way, you still missed ahsanford's point.
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Re: Canon Was Quiet at CES 2018, Expect More Noise Next Month Ahead of CP+
« Reply #42 on: January 18, 2018, 03:09:53 PM »
Ahhh, but what EF-M lens?  8)

Surely, it's AvTvM's EF-M 85mm f/2.4 IS STM pancake.

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Nah, the 85 f/2.4 IS will come in EF mount, and the 50mm FOV equivalent f/1.4 IS will be EF-M.

The release of an EF-M 32mm f/0.9 IS USM would surely make mr Sandford switch from a 5DmkIII to an EOS M50!

Or angry.

The release of an EF-M 55mm f/1.8 would make me interested in the crop mirrorless line.
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Re: Canon Was Quiet at CES 2018, Expect More Noise Next Month Ahead of CP+
« Reply #42 on: January 18, 2018, 03:09:53 PM »

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Re: Canon Was Quiet at CES 2018, Expect More Noise Next Month Ahead of CP+
« Reply #43 on: January 19, 2018, 11:41:16 AM »
The release of an EF-M 32mm f/0.9 IS USM would surely make mr Sandford switch from a 5DmkIII to an EOS M50!

Or angry.

The release of an EF-M 55mm f/1.8 would make me interested in the crop mirrorless line.

I wouldn't be angry, no.  Offering what any system should have -- a sharp, quick all-purpose autofocusing 50mm (FF-equivalent) prime -- is a good thing.  If such a lens happens, awesome for EF-M users -- honestly.

But I just don't think Canon will put a out a screamingly fast smaller-than-FF-mount-only standard prime like Olympus or Fuji might do, as Canon has made it clear that they'd rather reserve such glass for FF mount use, they'd rather dis-incentivize people to stay in crop / not go to FF, etc.

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Re: Canon Was Quiet at CES 2018, Expect More Noise Next Month Ahead of CP+
« Reply #43 on: January 19, 2018, 11:41:16 AM »