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timmy_650

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Re: Is a Super35 Mirrorless Camera Coming?
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2018, 04:25:24 PM »
This idea sounds a lot like Black Magic pocket cinema camera with a bigger senor.

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Re: Is a Super35 Mirrorless Camera Coming?
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2018, 04:25:24 PM »

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Re: Is a Super35 Mirrorless Camera Coming?
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2018, 04:25:42 PM »
This doesn't make sense when considering the invite parameters.  If those invitation to CEO's only were true, I would expect something more profound.  This isn't.

True enough.  On the other hand, I'm having trouble coming up with anything photographic that would justify that kind of an invite list.  The whole thing doesn't seem very plausible to me.  Canon has been talking about a new research center in California.  Maybe that has something to do with it, but it is not clear to me how much Canon's  new research center will be working on photography.

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Re: Is a Super35 Mirrorless Camera Coming?
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2018, 04:39:37 PM »
This idea sounds a lot like Black Magic pocket cinema camera with a bigger senor.

that's not a bad idea.

the M50 is coming in two colors.
it's shipped with 22 & 15-45, 15-45, 18-150 kits

so we know it's somewhere around an M6.

but what the heck would require a big announcement?

there's also a zoom coming in theory. could it be a APS-C mirrorless cini zoom? maybe.

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Re: Is a Super35 Mirrorless Camera Coming?
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2018, 06:29:55 PM »
I'm seeing a size discrepancy here between these posts and other Super35 sensor size comparisons online. What is the real difference in size between aps-c and S35? I know it's a format difference from 3:2 and 16:9 but they're really not that much different in size are they? Frodo's mm2 measurements suggest they are.

I got my figures from here:
https://cvp.com/support/page/image-sensor-size-comparison/page

The generic Super35 is not much wider than APS-C, but with a 4:3, compared to 3:2, format, its a lot higher.  This would capture more of the image circle from an EF-M lens, but would make the angle to the corners a bit more extreme (e.g. image fall-off).
Seems a relatively easy way to get more pixels without increasing pixel density.
As I tend to print 3:2 (similar to A3/A3+) or 2:1, I would not benefit much from Super35, but given the market for four-thirds, it appears that others do.
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Re: Is a Super35 Mirrorless Camera Coming?
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2018, 06:37:57 PM »
Thanks for the link Frodo
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Re: Is a Super35 Mirrorless Camera Coming?
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2018, 08:51:22 PM »
I'm seeing a size discrepancy here between these posts and other Super35 sensor size comparisons online. What is the real difference in size between aps-c and S35? I know it's a format difference from 3:2 and 16:9 but they're really not that much different in size are they? Frodo's mm2 measurements suggest they are.

Here is a source for comparison of size is: http://www.danielhaggett.com/blog/136-lens-comparison-and-crop-factors.
Basically a super 35 sensor has about 24mm width and 14mm height more or less. From which a typical 16x9 portion (1.78:1, widescreen size video) is used to record images. But cinema aspect ratio can differ between 1.78:1 (16x9, AKA 3-perf Super 35)  and 2.39:1 (anamorphic). Typical spherical cinema lenses should cover the 24-ish mm width of the sensor. EF lenses designed for full frame stills can cover 36 mm width and can definitely do this. Canon EF-S lenses are typically designed for APS-C width of at least 22.2mm which is a little bit narrower than super 35 width so theoretically some EF-S lenses may not be able to fully cover the super 35 sensor without conversion or cropping.   

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Re: Is a Super35 Mirrorless Camera Coming?
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2018, 04:31:45 AM »
Me too thinks that the sensor being a super35 is not so big deal to summon CEOs. A new medium format announcement would.

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Re: Is a Super35 Mirrorless Camera Coming?
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2018, 04:31:45 AM »

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Re: Is a Super35 Mirrorless Camera Coming?
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2018, 01:23:52 PM »
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Is a Super35 Mirrorless Camera Coming?

No.. There is no market for it..   

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Re: Is a Super35 Mirrorless Camera Coming?
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2018, 05:50:00 AM »
Actually a S35/APS-C video centric mirrorless body with EF mount would make sense to me. It would sit lower than the C-line, and be a direct competitor to e.g., the GH5s or Fuji’s rumoured X-H1. Why not have something which competes directly with other video-centric cameras in that price range? 1” isn’t going to compete with the low pixel count Dual ISO m4/3 sensor in the GH5s, nor the APS-C X-H1 with Fuji’s excellent noise processing. Canon would almost certainly use S35/APS-C if they did want a competitive body.

In fact, if it were good enough as a video-centric cam (e.g., significantly better codec/less crop than the 5Dmkiv video) with EF mount, focus peaking, zebras, maybe scopes, log, DPAF, better rolling shutter, etc., I’d be in the market myself. I’d be more than happy to separate video/photo bodies is both were priced such that they’re less than a new C-series and both shared EF lenses.

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Re: Is a Super35 Mirrorless Camera Coming?
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2018, 08:03:33 AM »
Actually a S35/APS-C video centric mirrorless body with EF mount would make sense to me. It would sit lower than the C-line, and be a direct competitor to e.g., the GH5s or Fuji’s rumoured X-H1. Why not have something which competes directly with other video-centric cameras in that price range? 1” isn’t going to compete with the low pixel count Dual ISO m4/3 sensor in the GH5s, nor the APS-C X-H1 with Fuji’s excellent noise processing. Canon would almost certainly use S35/APS-C if they did want a competitive body.

In fact, if it were good enough as a video-centric cam (e.g., significantly better codec/less crop than the 5Dmkiv video) with EF mount, focus peaking, zebras, maybe scopes, log, DPAF, better rolling shutter, etc., I’d be in the market myself. I’d be more than happy to separate video/photo bodies is both were priced such that they’re less than a new C-series and both shared EF lenses.

canon's made it a life long dream of shoving a DPAF sensor into everything.  :P a custom 10mp APS-C / S35 sensor for a small portable 4K ILC is something that canon doesn't have in it's portfolio.

canon seems to be putting things into niches, they don't really care of they sell a bazillion of them, but if they over enough niches they will overall sell well.

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Re: Is a Super35 Mirrorless Camera Coming?
« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2018, 07:02:59 PM »
CR admin, any more news on this camera with a hole?  ;)

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Re: Is a Super35 Mirrorless Camera Coming?
« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2018, 01:49:24 PM »
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Is a Super35 Mirrorless Camera Coming?

No.. There is no market for it..
Yes its called a Red Scarlet.!

I for one very often frame for 16x9 on Landscape stills purely because my monitors are 16x9, my TV is 16x9. An iPhone is 16x9 whereas an iPad is 4:3.

For many an S35/16X9 output is ideal.

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Re: Is a Super35 Mirrorless Camera Coming?
« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2018, 01:49:24 PM »