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Re: A New Style of Camera From Canon Currently Being Tested [CR2]
« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2018, 10:29:59 AM »
Per CanonNews site, Canon has filed a patent for a 'variety of high end APS-C zoom lenses' (Dec 2017) :

14-35 2.8
9-22 2.8
10-35 2.8-3.5
18-80 4.0
18-75 4.0
12-30 2.8


Hope it is for EF-M, not EF-S. Would buy an EF-M 18-75 or 80/constant 4.0 IS STM any time.  8)

they were EF-S


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Re: A New Style of Camera From Canon Currently Being Tested [CR2]
« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2018, 10:29:59 AM »

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Re: A New Style of Camera From Canon Currently Being Tested [CR2]
« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2018, 12:07:05 PM »
I'd say it's really much smaller than it looks and is Canon's first micro 4/3 camera.
It will make the M6 look huge

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Re: A New Style of Camera From Canon Currently Being Tested [CR2]
« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2018, 10:15:46 PM »
If Canon wants to use their current ef lens for Mirrorless they will need to accommodate the  longer flange focal distance.  Reminiscent of the old Olympus film cameras like the IS-3  this is one way to do it. The small Sony a7 camera do not balance well with the larger prime and zoom lens.

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I think I will say .... I TOLD YOU SO !!!!

I'm an PRETTY SURE this is the 50 Megapixel Medium Format 25 fps stills camera with Super-HIGH ISO that I was informed about from on-line documents leaked by the Germany/Netherlands photo-enthusiasts group named "Eigenvector" 

So to re-iterate what SEEMS to be coming down the pipeline:

- 56mm by 42mm CMOS Bayer Sensor MIRRORLESS camera !!!!

- 16 bits per colour channel (i.e. 48-bit colour) 4:4:4 at 8192 x 6036 pixels (4:3 aspect ratio)

- JPEG-2000 Wavelet based image compression for stills photo in addition to RAW 444

- 6.82 Microns per sensor photosite with 5% improvement in light gathering capability over Canon 1Dxmk2 (i.e. even lower noise in shadows)

- 25 FPS Burst Shooting Rate with a 5 second buffer! (the 5 second buffer is a new stat from the Eigenvector group)

- Articulated OLED touchscreen (i.e. 1920 by 1200 pixels) with selectable DPAF region selection on ANY PART of screen

- Internal SSD Flash-based Hard Drive Storage in the terabyte range!

- Internal GPS and 3D-XYZ MEMS orientiation sensor recording position and camera orientation metadata at user-defined number of frame-based intervals to video file.

- 4K video with full sensor sample (i.e. NO crop sensor sampling) for 60 fps at 4:2:2 10 bits per colour channel and Clog 1/2/3

- 2nd Version of Camera will be sold as a 120 Megapixel landscape oriented photo system with 8-to-10 fps for 120 megapixel photos!

- Multiple very large diameter L-series prime lenses to be released at the same time

- Priced probably between 12 000 to 16 000 Euros at introduction which is HALF the price of a Hasselblad but does 25 FPS at 50 megapixels! That would be the CAMERA OF THE YEAR at 25 fps 50 megapixels!

I am PROBABLY CORRECT in that this was a REAL LEAK about a VERY REAL Canon Medium Format super-stills camera from the Eigenvector group! I should note what I personally thought what I saw online looked more like a really LARGE Canon 1DxMk2 rather than an XC15 --- I can't be sure on that anymore because it was quite a while ago...

Again....I TOLD YOU SO !!!!




« Last Edit: January 26, 2018, 10:27:22 PM by HarryFilm »

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Re: A New Style of Camera From Canon Currently Being Tested [CR2]
« Reply #33 on: January 27, 2018, 12:09:21 AM »
  • The camera looks “substantially dissimilar” from any other Canon camera body
  • A large DSLR-like hand-grip and is deeper/thicker than any of the existing mirrorless bodies, but doesn’t look like a DSLR at all.


I think I will say .... I TOLD YOU SO !!!!

I'm an PRETTY SURE this is the 50 Megapixel Medium Format 25 fps stills camera with Super-HIGH ISO that I was informed about from on-line documents leaked by the Germany/Netherlands photo-enthusiasts group named "Eigenvector" 

Again....I TOLD YOU SO !!!!

What did you tell us?  Let's check...

This is a reformatted copy  of an email sent to me from colleagues in the Netherlands and Germany in Early 2017 *** CONFIRMING *** that an in-the-wild test prototype was seen in Munich, Germany during a Football match (that's soccer for you Americans!) that was ALSO CONFIRMED via an earlier-in-year and later-in-year PHYSICAL closeup examination of a similar system to be a MEDIUM FORMAT CANON CAMERA that has a very large CMOS sensor in a body style very similar to a Canon 1Dx Mark II camera but of course larger in size to accommodate the larger sensor and lenses.

Thanks for *** CONFIRMING *** that you were wrong, and now it's ALSO CONFIRMED that you don't know what you're talking about.  Not that this comes as a surprise to anyone.  ::)
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Re: A New Style of Camera From Canon Currently Being Tested [CR2]
« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2018, 01:11:36 AM »
  • The camera looks “substantially dissimilar” from any other Canon camera body
  • A large DSLR-like hand-grip and is deeper/thicker than any of the existing mirrorless bodies, but doesn’t look like a DSLR at all.


I think I will say .... I TOLD YOU SO !!!!

I'm an PRETTY SURE this is the 50 Megapixel Medium Format 25 fps stills camera with Super-HIGH ISO that I was informed about from on-line documents leaked by the Germany/Netherlands photo-enthusiasts group named "Eigenvector" 

Again....I TOLD YOU SO !!!!

What did you tell us?  Let's check...

This is a reformatted copy  of an email sent to me from colleagues in the Netherlands and Germany in Early 2017 *** CONFIRMING *** that an in-the-wild test prototype was seen in Munich, Germany during a Football match (that's soccer for you Americans!) that was ALSO CONFIRMED via an earlier-in-year and later-in-year PHYSICAL closeup examination of a similar system to be a MEDIUM FORMAT CANON CAMERA that has a very large CMOS sensor in a body style very similar to a Canon 1Dx Mark II camera but of course larger in size to accommodate the larger sensor and lenses.

Thanks for *** CONFIRMING *** that you were wrong, and now it's ALSO CONFIRMED that you don't know what you're talking about.  Not that this comes as a surprise to anyone.  ::)

We need a new word for what HarryFilm is doing: he's not really trolling to get people agitated, it's more like he's spinning yarns to amuse us, like the old boat captain character in the Non Sequitur comic strip.  Maybe we could call it "strolling" when people engage in cheeky leg-pulling and story-telling.  :)

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Re: A New Style of Camera From Canon Currently Being Tested [CR2]
« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2018, 06:35:28 AM »
  • The camera looks “substantially dissimilar” from any other Canon camera body
  • A large DSLR-like hand-grip and is deeper/thicker than any of the existing mirrorless bodies, but doesn’t look like a DSLR at all.


I think I will say .... I TOLD YOU SO !!!!

I'm an PRETTY SURE this is the 50 Megapixel Medium Format 25 fps stills camera with Super-HIGH ISO that I was informed about from on-line documents leaked by the Germany/Netherlands photo-enthusiasts group named "Eigenvector" 

Again....I TOLD YOU SO !!!!

What did you tell us?  Let's check...

This is a reformatted copy  of an email sent to me from colleagues in the Netherlands and Germany in Early 2017 *** CONFIRMING *** that an in-the-wild test prototype was seen in Munich, Germany during a Football match (that's soccer for you Americans!) that was ALSO CONFIRMED via an earlier-in-year and later-in-year PHYSICAL closeup examination of a similar system to be a MEDIUM FORMAT CANON CAMERA that has a very large CMOS sensor in a body style very similar to a Canon 1Dx Mark II camera but of course larger in size to accommodate the larger sensor and lenses.

Thanks for *** CONFIRMING *** that you were wrong, and now it's ALSO CONFIRMED that you don't know what you're talking about.  Not that this comes as a surprise to anyone.  ::)

It a black box with a lens on the front. Where was he wrong?

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Re: A New Style of Camera From Canon Currently Being Tested [CR2]
« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2018, 08:46:25 AM »
What did you tell us?  Let's check...

This is a reformatted copy  of an email sent to me from colleagues in the Netherlands and Germany in Early 2017 *** CONFIRMING *** that an in-the-wild test prototype was seen in Munich, Germany during a Football match (that's soccer for you Americans!) that was ALSO CONFIRMED via an earlier-in-year and later-in-year PHYSICAL closeup examination of a similar system to be a MEDIUM FORMAT CANON CAMERA that has a very large CMOS sensor in a body style very similar to a Canon 1Dx Mark II camera but of course larger in size to accommodate the larger sensor and lenses.

Thanks for *** CONFIRMING *** that you were wrong, and now it's ALSO CONFIRMED that you don't know what you're talking about.  Not that this comes as a surprise to anyone.  ::)

How you know he not right?
Where your evidence to show he wrong?
Posts months apart. Canon have many test cameras, yes? Possible both right?
Try think positive.

All consumer know is what make product, not what test.

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Re: A New Style of Camera From Canon Currently Being Tested [CR2]
« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2018, 08:46:25 AM »

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Re: A New Style of Camera From Canon Currently Being Tested [CR2]
« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2018, 10:28:19 AM »
What did you tell us?  Let's check...

This is a reformatted copy  of an email sent to me from colleagues in the Netherlands and Germany in Early 2017 *** CONFIRMING *** that an in-the-wild test prototype was seen in Munich, Germany during a Football match (that's soccer for you Americans!) that was ALSO CONFIRMED via an earlier-in-year and later-in-year PHYSICAL closeup examination of a similar system to be a MEDIUM FORMAT CANON CAMERA that has a very large CMOS sensor in a body style very similar to a Canon 1Dx Mark II camera but of course larger in size to accommodate the larger sensor and lenses.

Thanks for *** CONFIRMING *** that you were wrong, and now it's ALSO CONFIRMED that you don't know what you're talking about.  Not that this comes as a surprise to anyone.  ::)

How you know he not right?
Where your evidence to show he wrong?

The burden is on him to show that he's right, given his confident statements and history of being wrong about timelines.  The evidence we do have does not support his claims.

I think he's just having a bit of harmless fun.  Maybe we should pile on like the reviews for the Three Wolf Moon  t-shirt at Amazon.   :)

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Re: A New Style of Camera From Canon Currently Being Tested [CR2]
« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2018, 11:09:59 AM »
"...  by the Germany/Netherlands photo-enthusiasts group named "Eigenvector"  "

A little bit off topic but ...

I never understood the importance of Eigenvectors and Eigenvalues in math and physics. After 15 years of it related jobs after studying physics I am now physics teacher and try to understand all the stuff again and additionally from the perspectives of 10 ... 19 year old students.

After reading a little bit of articles about eigenvectors and eigenvalues I am a stop closer to understanding that from the mathematical & physics perspective. Thanks for mentioning the term Eigenvector to HarryFilm and chewing parts of his post again and again.
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Re: A New Style of Camera From Canon Currently Being Tested [CR2]
« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2018, 02:17:52 PM »
"...  by the Germany/Netherlands photo-enthusiasts group named "Eigenvector"  "

A little bit off topic but ...

I never understood the importance of Eigenvectors and Eigenvalues in math and physics.

Six words: finite element analysis (among other uses)


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Re: A New Style of Camera From Canon Currently Being Tested [CR2]
« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2018, 05:29:57 PM »

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The burden is on him to show that he's right, given his confident statements and history of being wrong about timelines.  The evidence we do have does not support his claims.

I don't have to produce ANY evidence for my claims!
This is NOT a legal forum. I saw what I saw and to me it looked like an oversized 1Dxmk2 rather than this XC-15 look-alike. I was more harping on the possible specs which I have long-espoused which I THINK AND BELIEVE ARE CORRECT!

Did I not also make some claims regarding the Canon C700 cinema camera?
Yeah, I agree it looked nothing like I described originally BUT it seems the specs I regurgitated from various online sources were ALMOST SPOT-ON!

My sources seem pretty spec-heavy, which to me indicates that the data is probably NEARLY SPOT-ON even if the "Look and Feel" of the possible Canon MF camera will probably be something completely different than we expect!

It's that 25 fps at 50 megapixels with a 5 second buffer using JPEG-2000 4:4:4 Wavelet compression specification that intrigues me! With that sort of spec, WHO CARES what the camera looks like in the end! I just want GREAT low-light large sensor shooting of sports/action/wildlife AT THAT 25 fps high quality JPEG-2000 image quality !!!

OBVIOUSLY, Canon is coming out with SOMETHING Medium Format-like! I just hope that the specs above ARE dead-on so I can cheerfully get some decent loan/lease terms when I EAGERLY go and buy it!

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Re: A New Style of Camera From Canon Currently Being Tested [CR2]
« Reply #41 on: January 27, 2018, 05:51:17 PM »

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The burden is on him to show that he's right, given his confident statements and history of being wrong about timelines.  The evidence we do have does not support his claims.

I don't have to produce ANY evidence for my claims!
This is NOT a legal forum.
Of course, I didn't mean it in that sense: you have no legal obligation.  What I meant to say is that if you want us to believe you then you'll need to produce evidence, especially considering the fact that your previous, forcefully asserted claims have come to nothing.

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I saw what I saw and to me it looked like an oversized 1Dxmk2
That's certainly an interesting story, it'll be great if it proves out.

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My sources seem pretty spec-heavy, which to me indicates that the data is probably NEARLY SPOT-ON
It's easy to write spec-heavy, detailed fiction.  For example: https://www.amazon.com/BLUEPRINTS-STAR-GENERATION-NCC-1701-D-Generation/dp/0671500937/

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OBVIOUSLY, Canon is coming out with SOMETHING Medium Format-like!
I believe you've said you're trained as an engineer, so please take the following in light of that.  When I was an undergrad student, my physics professor used to say "if it's obvious, you'll have no trouble proving it."  This is the core of science: assertion, however sincere and well-intended, is no substitute for publicly-presented evidence.  If you've seen the camera that's mildly interesting; when we all see it (or some very good photos) then we can call that evidence.


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Re: A New Style of Camera From Canon Currently Being Tested [CR2]
« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2018, 05:53:07 PM »
If Canon wants to use their current ef lens for Mirrorless they will need to accommodate the  longer flange focal distance.  Reminiscent of the old Olympus film cameras like the IS-3  this is one way to do it. The small Sony a7 camera do not balance well with the larger prime and zoom lens.

---

I think I will say .... I TOLD YOU SO !!!!

I'm an PRETTY SURE this is the 50 Megapixel Medium Format 25 fps stills camera with Super-HIGH ISO that I was informed about from on-line documents leaked by the Germany/Netherlands photo-enthusiasts group named "Eigenvector" 

So to re-iterate what SEEMS to be coming down the pipeline:

- 56mm by 42mm CMOS Bayer Sensor MIRRORLESS camera !!!!

- 16 bits per colour channel (i.e. 48-bit colour) 4:4:4 at 8192 x 6036 pixels (4:3 aspect ratio)

- JPEG-2000 Wavelet based image compression for stills photo in addition to RAW 444

- 6.82 Microns per sensor photosite with 5% improvement in light gathering capability over Canon 1Dxmk2 (i.e. even lower noise in shadows)

- 25 FPS Burst Shooting Rate with a 5 second buffer! (the 5 second buffer is a new stat from the Eigenvector group)

- Articulated OLED touchscreen (i.e. 1920 by 1200 pixels) with selectable DPAF region selection on ANY PART of screen

- Internal SSD Flash-based Hard Drive Storage in the terabyte range!

- Internal GPS and 3D-XYZ MEMS orientiation sensor recording position and camera orientation metadata at user-defined number of frame-based intervals to video file.

- 4K video with full sensor sample (i.e. NO crop sensor sampling) for 60 fps at 4:2:2 10 bits per colour channel and Clog 1/2/3

- 2nd Version of Camera will be sold as a 120 Megapixel landscape oriented photo system with 8-to-10 fps for 120 megapixel photos!

- Multiple very large diameter L-series prime lenses to be released at the same time

- Priced probably between 12 000 to 16 000 Euros at introduction which is HALF the price of a Hasselblad but does 25 FPS at 50 megapixels! That would be the CAMERA OF THE YEAR at 25 fps 50 megapixels!

I am PROBABLY CORRECT in that this was a REAL LEAK about a VERY REAL Canon Medium Format super-stills camera from the Eigenvector group! I should note what I personally thought what I saw online looked more like a really LARGE Canon 1DxMk2 rather than an XC15 --- I can't be sure on that anymore because it was quite a while ago...

Again....I TOLD YOU SO !!!!

Oh, you've been let out on day release then?
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Re: A New Style of Camera From Canon Currently Being Tested [CR2]
« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2018, 05:53:07 PM »

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Re: A New Style of Camera From Canon Currently Being Tested [CR2]
« Reply #43 on: January 27, 2018, 05:54:17 PM »
What did you tell us?  Let's check...

This is a reformatted copy  of an email sent to me from colleagues in the Netherlands and Germany in Early 2017 *** CONFIRMING *** that an in-the-wild test prototype was seen in Munich, Germany during a Football match (that's soccer for you Americans!) that was ALSO CONFIRMED via an earlier-in-year and later-in-year PHYSICAL closeup examination of a similar system to be a MEDIUM FORMAT CANON CAMERA that has a very large CMOS sensor in a body style very similar to a Canon 1Dx Mark II camera but of course larger in size to accommodate the larger sensor and lenses.

Thanks for *** CONFIRMING *** that you were wrong, and now it's ALSO CONFIRMED that you don't know what you're talking about.  Not that this comes as a surprise to anyone.  ::)

How you know he not right?
Where your evidence to show he wrong?
Posts months apart. Canon have many test cameras, yes? Possible both right?
Try think positive.

All consumer know is what make product, not what test.

We know he'S not right because he is evidently a serial fantasist, and his posts bear no relation to reality.
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Re: A New Style of Camera From Canon Currently Being Tested [CR2]
« Reply #44 on: January 27, 2018, 05:58:09 PM »
“OBVIOUSLY, Canon is coming out with SOMETHING Medium Format-like!”

Nothing based on wish and conjecture can be considered “obvious,” but maybe you left enough wiggle room with the “-like” modifier.
Some Canon, some Nikon, some Sony, some Olympus

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Re: A New Style of Camera From Canon Currently Being Tested [CR2]
« Reply #44 on: January 27, 2018, 05:58:09 PM »