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Re: Another Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS III Mention [CR2]
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2018, 11:53:08 AM »
In the EF70-200 F/2.8L IS I  and the EF16-35 F/2.8L II cases there were IQ problems to be fixed. Now not so much. I cannot see the urgency in updating the 2.8L IS II version.

The “urgency” could come from the stiff competition from the latest Nikon 70-200, as well as the new Tamron 70-200 f2.8 (which Dustin Abbot found to be better than the Canon in several areas). I believe Canon is determined to have the best 70-200 f2.8 on the market.

I have to agree, the Tamron is direct competition for Canon for people that already have bought into Canon systems.  Unlike Nikon, Tamron is potentially "stealing" business Canon may consider theirs.  I am still impressed that Canon only had a slight lead over Sigma and Tamron in lens sold in Japan last year.

That said, Canon doesn't seem to be pushed by competition.  While it may be a factor, I suspect Canon is more focused on the question of "how do we make the most revenue" than what everyone else is doing.  Staying focused on their own game.  Thus, if Canon is ready to update the 70-200 II, then they see a market where the update would sell.  Thus, better performance with high MP bodies, better IS, better build quality, better bokeh, and better optics.    While the 70-200 II is remarkable, it can be improved upon.

If I was to only have two lenses, they would be my 24-70 II and 70-200 II.  If I see a better version of the 70-200 II, I am probably jumping at it.  This is a good move.

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Re: Another Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS III Mention [CR2]
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2018, 11:53:08 AM »

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Re: Another Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS III Mention [CR2]
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2018, 12:05:41 PM »
In addition, regarding IS even a new technology say a 5-stop IS will give a  1 stop advantage of IS in the new version. If Canon decides to update 24-70 2.8 II to an IS version they will give it a 4 stop advantage at least!

The wider they go, the harder it is to get so many stops of IS benefit, correct?  I seem to recall the 16mm end of the 16-35 f/4L IS saw less benefit from IS than at the 35mm end.  Perhaps the same would be true of the 24 vs. 70 end of a standard zoom?

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Re: Another Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS III Mention [CR2]
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2018, 12:09:50 PM »
Do you really find the CPL window useful?  Very hard to adjust the polarizer through mine.  And the little "shutter" doesn't stay tightly open or closed.  Current assessment: Gimmick.

I don't own the 100-400L II, so I can't comment. 

But it can't possibly be worse than the current options of (a) pulling off the hood to turn the CPL or (b) reaching into the hood while attached to turn the CPL and the pain points of doing that (accidentally fingerprint smearing the filter, occluding the OVF to assess CPL strength while doing this, etc.)

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Re: Another Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS III Mention [CR2]
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2018, 12:15:39 PM »
And If it stays the same filter size, I'll buy the hood with the filter window for my IS II.

Good thinking (and I would do the same!), but 82 may be the new 77:

16-35 f/2.8L III = 82
24-70 f/2.8L II = 82

Perhaps Canon wants it's zoom trilogy to share the same filter size?

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That has been my thinking ever since the 24-70/2.8 MkII came out.

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Re: Another Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS III Mention [CR2]
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2018, 12:39:16 PM »
Obvious change would be the addition of the third IS option. Closer minimum focus distance is also needed. The 100-400 II focuses much closer than the 70-200 II.

I would expect any improvement in sharpness and reduction in weight to be minimal.

There will be some sticker shock as well, as the current version has come down in price by about $700 over the past several years. Expect the new version to be introduced between $2,500 and $3,000.

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Re: Another Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS III Mention [CR2]
« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2018, 12:49:48 PM »
Do you really find the CPL window useful?  Very hard to adjust the polarizer through mine.  And the little "shutter" doesn't stay tightly open or closed.  Current assessment: Gimmick.

I don't own the 100-400L II, so I can't comment. 

But it can't possibly be worse than the current options of (a) pulling off the hood to turn the CPL or (b) reaching into the hood while attached to turn the CPL and the pain points of doing that (accidentally fingerprint smearing the filter, occluding the OVF to assess CPL strength while doing this, etc.)

- A

I think the little polarizer window on 100-400L II is a whole lot better than without.  I usually point mine facing down, so that it doesn't matter if it opens by accident.  I have smudged my filter on occasion by accident.

On a tripod, it is easier to use (where my left hand is free) than when handheld.  This is especially true on the 100-400 L II where the lens extends out, and once it's extended more than a little, the hood/filter are just too far forward.  However, on the 70-200, this wouldn't be the case (it'd act like adjusting a polarizer without tripod at 100mm on the 100-400 L II, which isn't bad).

Again, having the window facing down is helpful, because accessing the top of the lens isn't easy (you'd have to support the camera + lens with just your right hand)

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Re: Another Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS III Mention [CR2]
« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2018, 12:52:07 PM »
In addition, regarding IS even a new technology say a 5-stop IS will give a  1 stop advantage of IS in the new version. If Canon decides to update 24-70 2.8 II to an IS version they will give it a 4 stop advantage at least!

The wider they go, the harder it is to get so many stops of IS benefit, correct?  I seem to recall the 16mm end of the 16-35 f/4L IS saw less benefit from IS than at the 35mm end.  Perhaps the same would be true of the 24 vs. 70 end of a standard zoom?

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Perhaps! And perhaps there is the rest of the zoom range that will benefit alot. Just like your future 50mm would benefit from IS! Or perhaps all of the zoom range!

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Re: Another Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS III Mention [CR2]
« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2018, 12:52:07 PM »

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Re: Another Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS III Mention [CR2]
« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2018, 12:54:50 PM »
In addition, regarding IS even a new technology say a 5-stop IS will give a  1 stop advantage of IS in the new version. If Canon decides to update 24-70 2.8 II to an IS version they will give it a 4 stop advantage at least!

The wider they go, the harder it is to get so many stops of IS benefit, correct?  I seem to recall the 16mm end of the 16-35 f/4L IS saw less benefit from IS than at the 35mm end.  Perhaps the same would be true of the 24 vs. 70 end of a standard zoom?

- A
Perhaps! And perhaps there is the rest of the zoom range that will benefit alot. Just like your future 50mm would benefit from IS! Or perhaps all of the zoom range!

Don't misunderstand me -- virtually every lens would benefit from IS.  I'm just arguing that 4 stops might be a tall ask for a 24mm lens.

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Re: Another Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS III Mention [CR2]
« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2018, 12:56:30 PM »
In addition, regarding IS even a new technology say a 5-stop IS will give a  1 stop advantage of IS in the new version. If Canon decides to update 24-70 2.8 II to an IS version they will give it a 4 stop advantage at least!

The wider they go, the harder it is to get so many stops of IS benefit, correct?  I seem to recall the 16mm end of the 16-35 f/4L IS saw less benefit from IS than at the 35mm end.  Perhaps the same would be true of the 24 vs. 70 end of a standard zoom?

- A
Perhaps! And perhaps there is the rest of the zoom range that will benefit alot. Just like your future 50mm would benefit from IS! Or perhaps all of the zoom range!

Don't misunderstand me -- virtually every lens would benefit from IS.  I'm just arguing that 4 stops might be a tall ask for a 24mm lens.

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There is a whole range up to 70mm though.

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Re: Another Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS III Mention [CR2]
« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2018, 01:21:02 PM »
So... This means I can get the EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II version for $699, right? RIGHT?????

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Re: Another Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS III Mention [CR2]
« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2018, 01:25:23 PM »
So... This means I can get the EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II version for $699, right? RIGHT?????
Ehhh hmmm maybe with "1" in front of that number  :) Seriously now maybe you would find it for less than 1699 but not much. 699 isn't the price of a used version I so it definitely will not be the price of a used version II.


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Re: Another Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS III Mention [CR2]
« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2018, 01:46:44 PM »
So... This means I can get the EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II version for $699, right? RIGHT?????

It depends on how many lens scratches and how much dust and fungus you can tolerate...and if you don't mind if the serial numbers have been ground off. :)

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Re: Another Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS III Mention [CR2]
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2018, 01:53:34 PM »
also even though doubtful a slight price decrease

No way! ;)
Remember the difference between 24-70 I and II. ;)
They will take a sum, guaranteed. ;)

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Re: Another Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS III Mention [CR2]
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Re: Another Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS III Mention [CR2]
« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2018, 02:17:25 PM »
Oh, oh, one other thing.  Replace the tripod ring with the really sweet one from the 100-400LII.  The "glide" is much smoother on it, and it doesn't accidentally slide out.  Also, I like the idea of the removable/replaceable foot, though I don't use an arca foot on my 100-400, preferring the Fusion plate, as it is available as a popular lengths (longer = more gimbal friendly) and has a flip-down ring for a blackrapid or other hook/strap system.

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Re: Another Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS III Mention [CR2]
« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2018, 02:28:17 PM »
Obvious change would be the addition of the third IS option. Closer minimum focus distance is also needed. The 100-400 II focuses much closer than the 70-200 II.

I would expect any improvement in sharpness and reduction in weight to be minimal.

I found the sharpness wasn't all that great close to MFD especially at 200mm, but I don't know how much sample variation played a part.
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Re: Another Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS III Mention [CR2]
« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2018, 02:28:17 PM »