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Re: The Coming EF-M Prime to be 50mm Equivalent for APS-C EOS M [CR2]
« Reply #45 on: February 01, 2018, 10:03:37 AM »
not interested.

short EF-M tele lens please ... anywhere from 75-85mm f/2.4 or 2.8 ... IS STM  ... or no sale to me :-)

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Re: The Coming EF-M Prime to be 50mm Equivalent for APS-C EOS M [CR2]
« Reply #45 on: February 01, 2018, 10:03:37 AM »

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Re: The Coming EF-M Prime to be 50mm Equivalent for APS-C EOS M [CR2]
« Reply #46 on: February 01, 2018, 11:01:07 AM »
I'll take it WHATEVER it is!  35mm is fine, f/2 and up is fine, no IS is fine if it helps keep it small.

As I have posted here before, after a year of waiting for another EF-M prime besides the 22mm, I put my M5 back on the shelf and got out my Fuji X-T20. (I had invested in Fuji before Canon got serious about mirrorless with the M5.)

I like the M5 body, and the touchscreen, and Canon colors, much better than the Fuji body. The Canon 11-22mm is very sharp. But slow. Adapted EF lenses are very sharp, but just too big for the M5, got tired of doing that after a year.

I like shooting with primes.  Gee, the Fuji has two 35mm primes to choose from, f/1.4 and f/2 (I have the f/2). Gee, for macro, instead of that weird EF-M 28mm f/3.5, Fuji has two macros in the 50/60mm range to choose from (I have the 50mm f/2.8 Zeiss Touit, bought used for half the new price.)

So I am not suffering, but really would like to go back to the M5.

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Re: The Coming EF-M Prime to be 50mm Equivalent for APS-C EOS M [CR2]
« Reply #47 on: February 01, 2018, 11:29:50 AM »
So I am not suffering, but really would like to go back to the M5.

Sure, but you realize that Canon isn't Fuji and isn't going to offer a dozen compact primes for an APS-C segment, right?

If you want small and comprehensive, it's m43 or Fuji X.

If you want small and the ability to seamlessly use EF (but be underweight native-glass-wise), it's EOS M.

EOS M will never be Fuji X for a host of reasons, the principal one being Fuji has no FF line and needs to make X look as sexy possible.  Canon has quite the opposite thing going on, of course.

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Re: The Coming EF-M Prime to be 50mm Equivalent for APS-C EOS M [CR2]
« Reply #48 on: February 01, 2018, 11:51:46 AM »
The second prime lens in 2 1/2 years for the EF-M mount. It doesn't look like Canon have any intention of creating a set of prime lenses for the M series cameras, at least, not anytime soon.

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Re: The Coming EF-M Prime to be 50mm Equivalent for APS-C EOS M [CR2]
« Reply #49 on: February 01, 2018, 12:02:22 PM »
The second prime lens in 2 1/2 years for the EF-M mount. It doesn't look like Canon have any intention of creating a set of prime lenses for the M series cameras, at least, not anytime soon.

Their steady sales growth with EOS M (now #2 globally in mirrorless, correct?) would imply that simply offering the standard 'starter' slate of lenses...

  • UWA zoom
  • Standard zoom(s)
  • Tele zoom
  • Tiny prime
  • Macro

...got them this far.  The $64,000 question is whether EOS M's sales are due to its appeal as a standalone platform or as a second camera for EF/EF-S users.

If it's the former, more lenses should be on offer.  Perhaps not a full slate of primes -- EF-S certainly never got that -- but perhaps an 85 or 135 prime equivalent would be a logical next step.

But if it's the latter, Canon may just offer the lenses that keep the system small and simple and this 50 may be the last quick prime we see.

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Re: The Coming EF-M Prime to be 50mm Equivalent for APS-C EOS M [CR2]
« Reply #50 on: February 01, 2018, 12:27:29 PM »
Their steady sales growth with EOS M (now #2 globally in mirrorless, correct?) would imply that simply offering the standard 'starter' slate of lenses...

  • UWA zoom
  • Standard zoom(s)
  • Tele zoom
  • Tiny prime
  • Macro

...got them this far.

And

  • Superzoom

(The EF-M 18-150mm that was in one kit flavor with the M5/M6.)
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Re: The Coming EF-M Prime to be 50mm Equivalent for APS-C EOS M [CR2]
« Reply #51 on: February 01, 2018, 12:52:06 PM »
And

  • Superzoom

(The EF-M 18-150mm that was in one kit flavor with the M5/M6.)

Doh!  I always forget one.

Thx

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Re: The Coming EF-M Prime to be 50mm Equivalent for APS-C EOS M [CR2]
« Reply #51 on: February 01, 2018, 12:52:06 PM »

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Re: The Coming EF-M Prime to be 50mm Equivalent for APS-C EOS M [CR2]
« Reply #52 on: February 01, 2018, 12:52:46 PM »

Any thought on this new one being Nano USM instead of STM?

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Re: The Coming EF-M Prime to be 50mm Equivalent for APS-C EOS M [CR2]
« Reply #53 on: February 01, 2018, 01:07:58 PM »

Any thought on this new one being Nano USM instead of STM?

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Sure, the super-quiet, super fast  focusing I'm sure would be very much appreciated.

Not that it matters since this is going to be EFM, but the nano EF lenses are also much prettier (than STMs) :D

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Re: The Coming EF-M Prime to be 50mm Equivalent for APS-C EOS M [CR2]
« Reply #54 on: February 01, 2018, 01:40:46 PM »
Any thought on this new one being Nano USM instead of STM?

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Re: The Coming EF-M Prime to be 50mm Equivalent for APS-C EOS M [CR2]
« Reply #55 on: February 01, 2018, 01:43:08 PM »
The second prime lens in 2 1/2 years for the EF-M mount. It doesn't look like Canon have any intention of creating a set of prime lenses for the M series cameras, at least, not anytime soon.

It is certainly true that the initial emphasis in the M line has been on developing a suite of inexpensive (and slow) zooms, but I don't know that it follows that this pattern will continue now that there a bunch of affordable zooms out there.   A set of prime lenses might be unlikely, but some primes and some faster zooms don't seem out of the question to me.




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Re: The Coming EF-M Prime to be 50mm Equivalent for APS-C EOS M [CR2]
« Reply #56 on: February 01, 2018, 01:43:14 PM »
Any thought on this new one being Nano USM instead of STM?



No that's for my new 50, Neuro. 

Shake it again.

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Re: The Coming EF-M Prime to be 50mm Equivalent for APS-C EOS M [CR2]
« Reply #57 on: February 01, 2018, 01:50:08 PM »
It is certainly true that the initial emphasis in the M line has been on developing a suite of inexpensive (and slow) zooms, but I don't know that it follows that this pattern will continue now that there a bunch of affordable zooms out there.   A set of prime lenses might be unlikely, but some primes and some faster zooms don't seem out of the question to me.

It's very simple to me.  If this brand...

...lives and dies by being smaller than its mirrored counterparts
...is simply a smaller way to shoot EF-S/EF glass for existing Canon users
...is aimed principally at travelers

then it stands to reason that Canon will keep things small and point people to the EF adaptor if they want more.

But if this brand is principally new users for Canon has attracted since EOS M came out, they might see a big ask from that camp to provide them with native mount glass.  Such folks wouldn't own EF/EF-S glass, and they'd be looking at EF-M perhaps they way A7/A9 users were looking at FE for so long. 

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Re: The Coming EF-M Prime to be 50mm Equivalent for APS-C EOS M [CR2]
« Reply #57 on: February 01, 2018, 01:50:08 PM »

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Re: The Coming EF-M Prime to be 50mm Equivalent for APS-C EOS M [CR2]
« Reply #58 on: February 01, 2018, 02:45:10 PM »
It is certainly true that the initial emphasis in the M line has been on developing a suite of inexpensive (and slow) zooms, but I don't know that it follows that this pattern will continue now that there a bunch of affordable zooms out there.   A set of prime lenses might be unlikely, but some primes and some faster zooms don't seem out of the question to me.

It's very simple to me.  If this brand...

...lives and dies by being smaller than its mirrored counterparts
...is simply a smaller way to shoot EF-S/EF glass for existing Canon users
...is aimed principally at travelers

then it stands to reason that Canon will keep things small and point people to the EF adaptor if they want more.

But if this brand is principally new users for Canon has attracted since EOS M came out, they might see a big ask from that camp to provide them with native mount glass.  Such folks wouldn't own EF/EF-S glass, and they'd be looking at EF-M perhaps they way A7/A9 users were looking at FE for so long. 

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And if it is a mix of both, or if Canon wants to broaden the M's base... ?

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Re: The Coming EF-M Prime to be 50mm Equivalent for APS-C EOS M [CR2]
« Reply #59 on: February 01, 2018, 03:22:19 PM »
The second prime lens in 2 1/2 years for the EF-M mount. It doesn't look like Canon have any intention of creating a set of prime lenses for the M series cameras, at least, not anytime soon.

I think it is pretty simple.  Will enough folks who own APS-C cameras - and especially the M5 - buy enough primes to make it worthwhile for Canon to make them?  Since we haven't seen too much more than the standard zooms for EF-S, it seems that they already have that info - and the answer is no.  I think there are a lot of folks like me - I haven't used a prime since my Olympus OM-1 was replaced by a Canon SLR in the mid 1990's.  I have no interest whatsoever in getting a prime.  The zoom lenses cover everything and do everything that I ever need.  My guess is that the majority of folks who use crop cameras feel the same way (Canon rumors users are the exception).  Their sales info and marketing research must tell them that primes are primarily for FF camera owners.

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« Reply #59 on: February 01, 2018, 03:22:19 PM »