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Re: A New EF 70-200mm is Coming in 2018 [CR3]
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2018, 01:05:44 PM »
Oooo.  I want to know what the special sauce is now!

An ArcaSwiss Tripod Collar would be a good feature for a new lens. ;)

With a flip-down ring for backrapid straps, like the fusion plates :)

And a replaceable foot, in case you prefer a short one or a long one!

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Re: A New EF 70-200mm is Coming in 2018 [CR3]
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2018, 01:05:44 PM »

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Re: A New EF 70-200mm is Coming in 2018 [CR3]
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2018, 01:12:10 PM »
They might expand the range a bit...

EF 69-201mm f2.8L IS USM

There... I fixed it :D
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Re: A New EF 70-200mm is Coming in 2018 [CR3]
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2018, 01:28:08 PM »
They might expand the range a bit...

EF 69-201mm f2.8L IS USM

There... I fixed it :D

I think they'll add a builtin 0.7x wide converter to make it work as a 50-120mm f/2 IS USM. Just to mess with ahsanford.

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Re: A New EF 70-200mm is Coming in 2018 [CR3]
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2018, 01:29:48 PM »
Oooo.  I want to know what the special sauce is now!

Stabs in the dark:

  • If it's not just a CPL window in the hood like with the 100-400L II (which I think is what we're going to get), I wonder if there's a slicker solution with a dedicated knob/ring that allows turning of the CPL through the hood.  Effectively, imagine a very low profile gasketed/silicone 'focus ring' on the hood that would snugly grab the outside of the CPL ring so that you could turn it while the hood is attached.  I would love that on my 70-200 f/2.8L IS II, on my 100L Macro, etc.

  • Something fancy with the tripod collar -- perhaps it could be completely attached/removed without having to dismount the lens?

  • In-line 1.4x T/C as other have said, but it would make the lens even longer/bulkier to pack and I do not want to know what Canon would charge for that.  But surely some folks would pay top dollar for that.

  • Perhaps the EF 24-70 f/4L IS 0.7x macro mode?  Love that feature on my 24-70, but I don't pro sports / reportage / wedding folks are asking for something like that, are they?

  • Another zany idea: they revert to an externally zooming design (telescoped like a 24-something zoom instead of holding constant length) but go all-in to make the most compact 70mm footprint possible (for storage/carry).  This strikes me as a flaming leap in the wrong direction, and they already do this with 70-300L for the travelers out there, so file this idea under 'highly unlikely'.

I'm out of ideas.  Any others?

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Re: A New EF 70-200mm is Coming in 2018 [CR3]
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2018, 01:30:25 PM »
As a normal 70-200mm lens I don’t know how they could improve version II.
It will be interesting to see what they do.
Maybe lighter or better IS but I can’t imagine better image quality.

It is indeed very sharp but the newest version from Nikon indicates it can be sharper still, especially in mid-frame and edges of the frame. Here's a comparison Roger did at Lens Rentals:

https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2016/11/nikon-70-200mm-f2-8e-fl-ed-af-s-vr-mtf-tests/

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Re: A New EF 70-200mm is Coming in 2018 [CR3]
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2018, 01:30:49 PM »
I think they'll add a builtin 0.7x wide converter to make it work as a 50-120mm f/2 IS USM. Just to mess with ahsanford.

It would violate the pickle jar rule, so it wouldn't wind me up that much.

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Re: A New EF 70-200mm is Coming in 2018 [CR3]
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2018, 01:51:07 PM »
Stabs in the dark:

  • If it's not just a CPL window in the hood like with the 100-400L II (which I think is what we're going to get), I wonder if there's a slicker solution with a dedicated knob/ring that allows turning of the CPL through the hood.  Effectively, imagine a very low profile gasketed/silicone 'focus ring' on the hood that would snugly grab the outside of the CPL ring so that you could turn it while the hood is attached.  I would love that on my 70-200 f/2.8L IS II, on my 100L Macro, etc.
For this all you need to do is buy a rubber hood that screws on the CPL. Very cheap on those chinese sites (DX, etc).[/list]

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Re: A New EF 70-200mm is Coming in 2018 [CR3]
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2018, 01:51:07 PM »

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Re: A New EF 70-200mm is Coming in 2018 [CR3]
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2018, 01:55:24 PM »
For this all you need to do is buy a rubber hood that screws on the CPL. Very cheap on those chinese sites (DX, etc).

There's a reason hoods don't rotate and have cutouts in the front, though, aren't there?  An entire hood that turns would not optimally shade from flare.

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Re: A New EF 70-200mm is Coming in 2018 [CR3]
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2018, 02:43:12 PM »
<p>I’m starting to feel that 2018 is going to be a fun year for Canon, more on that later.</p>

Ah come on, tell us, or at least give us some good hints to start the year. a) I need some fun in my life, and b) I'm changing my whole system back to Canon, so it would be useful to have at least a heads-up of major changes to come...  8)

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Re: A New EF 70-200mm is Coming in 2018 [CR3]
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2018, 03:43:17 PM »
As a normal 70-200mm lens I don’t know how they could improve version II.
It will be interesting to see what they do.
Maybe lighter or better IS but I can’t imagine better image quality.

It is indeed very sharp but the newest version from Nikon indicates it can be sharper still, especially in mid-frame and edges of the frame. Here's a comparison Roger did at Lens Rentals:

https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2016/11/nikon-70-200mm-f2-8e-fl-ed-af-s-vr-mtf-tests/

Also consider that the Mk II  doesn't resolve excellently on a 5Ds. As I recall an earlier post, the MkII resolves to 21Mpix out of 22Mpix on a 5D3, but to 'just' 36Mpix on the 50Mpix 5Ds.

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Re: A New EF 70-200mm is Coming in 2018 [CR3]
« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2018, 03:46:31 PM »
I recon it's a new line of DO zooms. Or it's got a funky new light weight plastic element that was patented a few years back. It would be cool to have a sharp 20-700 f2.8 IS that weighs the same as the F4 LIS version....
But you know...probably not...coz apparently...Canon doesn't innovate....ok Gareth...move on....

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Re: A New EF 70-200mm is Coming in 2018 [CR3]
« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2018, 03:50:07 PM »
Also consider that the Mk II  doesn't resolve excellently on a 5Ds. As I recall an earlier post, the MkII resolves to 21Mpix out of 22Mpix on a 5D3, but to 'just' 36Mpix on the 50Mpix 5Ds.

I've made this argument myself a few times, but keep in mind that the Mk II is still the 6th sharpest lens and #1 sharpest zoom that Canon sells according to DXOMark.  So if you set some arbitrary bar (using DXO methodology  :o) that a lens has to be 40 out of 50 sharpness to be 'rated' for the 5DS rigs, only one lens would qualify (the 300 f/2.8L IS II).

So, yes, the Mk III could have better optics, but I see this more about Canon keeping its reputation up (and maintain a high asking price) on a showhorse of a lens.

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Re: A New EF 70-200mm is Coming in 2018 [CR3]
« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2018, 04:28:04 PM »
  • If it's not just a CPL window in the hood like with the 100-400L II (which I think is what we're going to get), I wonder if there's a slicker solution with a dedicated knob/ring that allows turning of the CPL through the hood.  Effectively, imagine a very low profile gasketed/silicone 'focus ring' on the hood that would snugly grab the outside of the CPL ring so that you could turn it while the hood is attached.  I would love that on my 70-200 f/2.8L IS II, on my 100L Macro, etc.

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I hope a CPL window isn't the "something different".  I owned a 100-400 II and found the CPL window ineffective.  I usually removed the hood to rotate the CPL and replaced it, just like I do with my other lenses.  Your gasketed silicone ring might be promising.
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Re: A New EF 70-200mm is Coming in 2018 [CR3]
« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2018, 04:28:04 PM »

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Re: A New EF 70-200mm is Coming in 2018 [CR3]
« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2018, 04:28:59 PM »
I recon it's a new line of DO zooms. Or it's got a funky new light weight plastic element that was patented a few years back.

We haven't really seen them beating their chests about the Blue Goo since the release of the 35II. I've been wondering if they've been employing it but opted not to feature it, as "plastic optical elements" doesn't really have an "L" ring to it. Have to say, having owned that 35, that the stuff works great.

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Re: A New EF 70-200mm is Coming in 2018 [CR3]
« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2018, 04:31:04 PM »
As a normal 70-200mm lens I don’t know how they could improve version II.
It will be interesting to see what they do.
Maybe lighter or better IS but I can’t imagine better image quality.

It is indeed very sharp but the newest version from Nikon indicates it can be sharper still, especially in mid-frame and edges of the frame. Here's a comparison Roger did at Lens Rentals:

https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2016/11/nikon-70-200mm-f2-8e-fl-ed-af-s-vr-mtf-tests/

Also consider that the Mk II  doesn't resolve excellently on a 5Ds. As I recall an earlier post, the MkII resolves to 21Mpix out of 22Mpix on a 5D3, but to 'just' 36Mpix on the 50Mpix 5Ds.

The Mk II does very well on the 5DS/R. I tested it here:

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1376130


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Re: A New EF 70-200mm is Coming in 2018 [CR3]
« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2018, 04:31:04 PM »