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Re: More About the "Major Mirrorless Presentation", It's The EOS M50
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2018, 10:48:58 AM »
I realized what Canon is doing here: they are re-aligning the M model numbers so that the M100 (and M200 and so forth an so on) now becomes the entry level APS-C, M50 will be the midrange APS-C replacement for the M6...

Except...

EOS M50: A mirrorless camera between the EOS M6 and EOS M100. We expect the price of it to be close to the EOS M6.

The EOS 77D fell in between the 80D and T7i, and replaced neither.  It may be that’s the case with the M50.  As Canon gets deeper into mirrorless, they’re adding more subdivisions in their lineup.

Why not muddy the waters a bit with lots of confusing numbering schemes. It is the camera industry after all.  :D

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Re: More About the "Major Mirrorless Presentation", It's The EOS M50
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2018, 10:48:58 AM »

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Re: More About the "Major Mirrorless Presentation", It's The EOS M50
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2018, 11:34:26 AM »
I realized what Canon is doing here: they are re-aligning the M model numbers so that the M100 (and M200 and so forth an so on) now becomes the entry level APS-C, M50 will be the midrange APS-C replacement for the M6...

Except...

EOS M50: A mirrorless camera between the EOS M6 and EOS M100. We expect the price of it to be close to the EOS M6.

The EOS 77D fell in between the 80D and T7i, and replaced neither.  It may be that’s the case with the M50.  As Canon gets deeper into mirrorless, they’re adding more subdivisions in their lineup.

Otherwise, why didn't they just name the M100 the M20 as this is their replacement for the M10?  What tiny insignificant difference might stradle the lineup between the M100 and the M6 (an M100 with hot shoe and mic imput, ala M/M2?) to make room for an M50 and why would they price the M50 close to the M6?  If they keep naming the M5/M6 replacements in the usual fashion they'll run out of single digits pretty soon.  M7 for their top ranger FF/1D equivalent, M8 for their do it all FF/5D equivalent, M9 for their entry level FF/6D equivalent and "mark" all their itirations thereoff is what I sense they're going to do.  Of course, this is all speculation from my part, as I still hope they don't end up using the EF-M mount for their FF.

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Re: More About the "Major Mirrorless Presentation", It's The EOS M50
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2018, 11:35:13 AM »
If I was going to begin a line, I'd call the first entry level body a __50, then I'd have 49 spots to consider up or down.
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Re: More About the "Major Mirrorless Presentation", It's The EOS M50
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2018, 12:24:22 PM »
The EOS 77D fell in between the 80D and T7i, and replaced neither.  It may be that’s the case with the M50.  As Canon gets deeper into mirrorless, they’re adding more subdivisions in their lineup.

Otherwise, why didn't they just name the M100 the M20 as this is their replacement for the M10?  What tiny insignificant difference might stradle the lineup between the M100 and the M6 (an M100 with hot shoe and mic imput, ala M/M2?) to make room for an M50 and why would they price the M50 close to the M6?

They named the M100 the M100 specifically in order to make room for another tier between the M5/M6 and the M100. The differences between the M6 and the M100 are by no means insignificant. On the DSLR side there's room for the 77D and the 800D between the 80D and the 1300D.

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If they keep naming the M5/M6 replacements in the usual fashion they'll run out of single digits pretty soon.  M7 for their top ranger FF/1D equivalent, M8 for their do it all FF/5D equivalent, M9 for their entry level FF/6D equivalent and "mark" all their itirations thereoff is what I sense they're going to do.  Of course, this is all speculation from my part, as I still hope they don't end up using the EF-M mount for their FF.

Their FF mirrorless are likely not going to have the "M" moniker but something else. After all, they're not going to have an EF-M mount. The eventual M5/M6 successors might well be named M5/M6 Mark II, solving the numbering issue.
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Re: More About the "Major Mirrorless Presentation", It's The EOS M50
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2018, 02:07:57 PM »
You are all wrong. It's obviously going to be a mirrorless beast that'll shoot 1000 fps. They'll call it the "M16sp". SP for "Spray and Pray".
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Re: More About the "Major Mirrorless Presentation", It's The EOS M50
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2018, 12:02:29 AM »
So... who thinks the M50 will have an 80D sensor? :D


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Re: More About the "Major Mirrorless Presentation", It's The EOS M50
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2018, 12:31:38 PM »
We really need an updated M5 with a bit better build quality and some lenses, like a 15-70 F4.
Instead we are getting another low-end M body and one plastic-fantastic lens per year.

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« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2018, 12:31:38 PM »

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Re: More About the "Major Mirrorless Presentation", It's The EOS M50
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2018, 01:13:40 PM »
We really need an updated M5 with a bit better build quality and some lenses, like a 15-70 F4.
Instead we are getting another low-end M body and one plastic-fantastic lens per year.

Who has the graph on Canon refresh cycles for this guy?
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Re: More About the "Major Mirrorless Presentation", It's The EOS M50
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2018, 01:46:23 PM »
We really need an updated M5 with a bit better build quality and some lenses, like a 15-70 F4.
Instead we are getting another low-end M body and one plastic-fantastic lens per year.

Who has the graph on Canon refresh cycles for this guy?

Yar.  Anyone who wants rapid-refresh flagships should pick a company other than Canon.  Like, just think of that red logo as an, "abandon hope, all ye who enter" sign when it comes to quickly updating flagship bodies, or for radical changes in ergonomics.  8)

Sony is the perfect vendor for those who want camera refresh cycles to be like iPhones. ;D

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Re: More About the "Major Mirrorless Presentation", It's The EOS M50
« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2018, 05:31:22 PM »
We really need an updated M5 with a bit better build quality and some lenses, like a 15-70 F4.
Instead we are getting another low-end M body and one plastic-fantastic lens per year.

There's nothing wrong with the build quality of the M5. The only "build" quality that could/should be improved would be a weather-sealed body. I'm sure faster AF and weather-sealing will come, but not for some time. Better and faster lenses is another story entirely. They are needed to make the M a complete "system." While Canon never really tried to complete the EF-S system with quick primes or zooms, presumably to steer serious shooters into the wonderful and costly world of full frame, we can only hope that they don't extend that policy/attitude to the M series. When the upcoming EF-M "faster than 2.0"  30-35mm prime is released, I think its sales success, or lack thereof,  will greatly determine the future of the EF-M line of lenses.

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Re: More About the "Major Mirrorless Presentation", It's The EOS M50
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2018, 07:20:52 AM »
Well that's disappointing. I want to see Canon release a competitive mirrorless. Even their best M5 isn't that compelling vs the A6300.

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Re: More About the "Major Mirrorless Presentation", It's The EOS M50
« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2018, 02:12:59 PM »
We really need an updated M5 with a bit better build quality and some lenses, like a 15-70 F4.
Instead we are getting another low-end M body and one plastic-fantastic lens per year.

Who has the graph on Canon refresh cycles for this guy?

Yar.  Anyone who wants rapid-refresh flagships should pick a company other than Canon. Like, just think of that red logo as an, "abandon hope, all ye who enter" sign when it comes to quickly updating flagship bodies, or for radical changes in ergonomics.

not exactly true. the longest non-beginner M camera had a 556 day refresh (M3 to M5), other than that it's been around 1 year refreshes of most M systems.  Not to mention some pretty drastic ergonomic changes between the M3, M6 and M5 cameras as the line fleshes out.

It's easy to always belittle canon or complain about them, but at times it would be nice if it was based upon realistic expectations.
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Re: More About the "Major Mirrorless Presentation", It's The EOS M50
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2018, 02:17:26 PM »
We really need an updated M5 with a bit better build quality and some lenses, like a 15-70 F4.
Instead we are getting another low-end M body and one plastic-fantastic lens per year.

Who has the graph on Canon refresh cycles for this guy?

Yar.  Anyone who wants rapid-refresh flagships should pick a company other than Canon. Like, just think of that red logo as an, "abandon hope, all ye who enter" sign when it comes to quickly updating flagship bodies, or for radical changes in ergonomics.

not exactly true. the longest non-beginner M camera had a 556 day refresh (M3 to M5), other than that it's been around 1 year refreshes of most M systems.  Not to mention some pretty drastic ergonomic changes between the M3, M6 and M5 cameras as the line fleshes out.

It's easy to always belittle canon or complain about them, but at times it would be nice if it was based upon realistic expectations.

You are confusing new models with refresh with anything in the M lineup that ties in the M5.
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Re: More About the "Major Mirrorless Presentation", It's The EOS M50
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2018, 02:17:26 PM »

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Re: More About the "Major Mirrorless Presentation", It's The EOS M50
« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2018, 02:19:54 PM »
We really need an updated M5 with a bit better build quality and some lenses, like a 15-70 F4.
Instead we are getting another low-end M body and one plastic-fantastic lens per year.

Who has the graph on Canon refresh cycles for this guy?

Yar.  Anyone who wants rapid-refresh flagships should pick a company other than Canon. Like, just think of that red logo as an, "abandon hope, all ye who enter" sign when it comes to quickly updating flagship bodies, or for radical changes in ergonomics.

not exactly true. the longest non-beginner M camera had a 556 day refresh (M3 to M5), other than that it's been around 1 year refreshes of most M systems.  Not to mention some pretty drastic ergonomic changes between the M3, M6 and M5 cameras as the line fleshes out.

It's easy to always belittle canon or complain about them, but at times it would be nice if it was based upon realistic expectations.

You are confusing new models with refresh with anything in the M lineup that ties in the M5.

I'm not confusing anything. The refresh cycle of the M lineup has always been fairly quick - why? it's like the rebel flagship, those cameras always have a quick recycle of 1-2 years.

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Re: More About the "Major Mirrorless Presentation", It's The EOS M50
« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2018, 03:13:12 PM »
The M3 did not 'become' the M5
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« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2018, 03:13:12 PM »