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UPDATE: Next From Sigma? 14-24mm f/2.8 DG HSM Art
« on: February 07, 2018, 06:16:51 PM »
We haven’t heard much about Sigma in a while, but it looks like the next lens from the company will be a 14-24mm f/2.8 DG HSM Art if today’s reports are true.

This would give Sigma a very compelling ultra wide angle lens lineup with the 14-24mm f/2.8 DG HSM Art alongside the 12-24mm f/4 DG HSM Art and the 14mm f/1.8 DG HSM Art.

Expect an announcement this month ahead of CP+.

We haven’t heard anything further about new Sigma 70-200mm lenses.

Sigma 14-24mm f/2.8 DG HSM Art Specifications:

  • Mount: Canon · Nikon · Sigma
  • Lens construction: 11 groups of 17
  • Number of diaphragm blades: 9 (circular aperture)
  • Maximum photographing magnification: 1: 5.4
  • Size (for Sigma): ų 96.4 mm x 135.1 mm
  • Weight (for Sigma): 1,150 g

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UPDATE: Next From Sigma? 14-24mm f/2.8 DG HSM Art
« on: February 07, 2018, 06:16:51 PM »

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Re: Next From Sigma? 14-24mm f/2.8 DG HSM Art
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2018, 06:45:36 PM »
I wonder if this will garner a little more attention than 2016's 12-24.
Canon's wide angle lenses don't seem to get quite as much attention as Nikon's 14-24f2.8 has had either, which seems to be one of the few lenses that hobbyists will save up for (and the Nikon lens isn't too expensive either).

Nikon still seems to have the best combination of being reasonably priced, reasonably sharp, well corrected, and it has the widest aperture.
What they gave up was 2-3mm on the wide end, but I guess it was "the standard" for long enough it's hard to avoid all the positivity that lens earned.

It's a bit ironic that a first party lens has the winning price to performance ratio in this category.
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Re: Next From Sigma? 14-24mm f/2.8 DG HSM Art
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2018, 07:57:37 PM »
Sounds like I'll sell the Samyang 14mm just to pay the tax on this one...

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Re: Next From Sigma? 14-24mm f/2.8 DG HSM Art
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2018, 12:28:12 AM »
If Canon were to offer, at last, that would be exciting.  Too close to the 16-35 2.8?

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Re: Next From Sigma? 14-24mm f/2.8 DG HSM Art
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2018, 05:10:19 AM »
Wondering why two lenses so close to each other in focal lengths which dont accept filters(Nikon offers 14-24 f2.8 and it has bulbous front element)?

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Re: Next From Sigma? 14-24mm f/2.8 DG HSM Art
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2018, 07:59:01 AM »
I've always liked the idea of a 14-24 f/2.8 from Canon, but if I'm honest, I'd never bring it with me because the filter thread and ability to use 100mm filters is more important to me than the extra 2mm. In this case I'm happier with a 16-35 and carrying an extra 14mm on the rare occasions that I needed that extra 2mm.

Every time I see someone using that Nikon lens I always start to feel jealous, but then they pull out their filters and I don't feel bad anymore.

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Re: Next From Sigma? 14-24mm f/2.8 DG HSM Art
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2018, 08:41:24 AM »
If Canon made an EF 14-24mm f/2.8, a certain crowd would have whined Canon is not innovative, and is just trailing Nikon.

[As if Nikon didn't take 5+ years to release a longer PC-E 19mm & fisheye zoom, and never released a 5X macro.]

Canon has 16-35mm f/4L for those who want IS & reasonably sized filters, 16-35mm f/2.8L for those who want wide & fast, and 11-24mm f/4L for those who want even wider.

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Re: Next From Sigma? 14-24mm f/2.8 DG HSM Art
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Re: Next From Sigma? 14-24mm f/2.8 DG HSM Art
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2018, 09:46:13 AM »

Canon has 16-35mm f/4L for those who want IS & reasonably sized filters, 16-35mm f/2.8L for those who want wide & fast, and 11-24mm f/4L for those who want even wider.

Then who in the world is Sigma targeting with this lens? 

The reason I'd get "excited" about Canon offering the same is reliable AF.  PLUS great service that I'm familiar with.  (I have no experience with Sigma service.)

While having one or two gap-filling lenses from competing brands makes sense, building up a quiver of lenses that need servicing from several different vendors definitely detracts from perceived $$$ savings at time of sale.

Nevertheless, a zoom wider than 16mm and faster than f/4 is something missing from Canon, so I'll read and watch reviews with interest.

As for "bulbous," filter challenges, etc., if that's what it takes to get rectilinear at ultra-wide, to me, a necessary compromise.  I'd just cross my fingers every I went out with it!
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Re: Next From Sigma? 14-24mm f/2.8 DG HSM Art
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2018, 10:10:28 AM »

Canon has 16-35mm f/4L for those who want IS & reasonably sized filters, 16-35mm f/2.8L for those who want wide & fast, and 11-24mm f/4L for those who want even wider.

Then who in the world is Sigma targeting with this lens? 

There would always be people who want wider & faster just because.

Nevertheless, a zoom wider than 16mm and faster than f/4 is something missing from Canon, so I'll read and watch reviews with interest.

As for "bulbous," filter challenges, etc., if that's what it takes to get rectilinear at ultra-wide, to me, a necessary compromise.  I'd just cross my fingers every I went out with it!

Like the Canon EF 14mm f/2.8L, which Canon makes for over 25 years? Or does it have to be a zoom because Nikon makes one?

The next step will be 'Canon lacks a lens to compete with the Voightlander 10mm f/5.6', to be followed all the way to zooms starting @ 0mm, as fisheye lenses prove there's a need for a rectilinear lens with a 180 vdeg AoV.

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Re: UPDATE: Next From Sigma? 14-24mm f/2.8 DG HSM Art
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2018, 10:12:08 AM »
I do not see the urgent need for 2.8 instead of 4.0 fastness in a ultra wide zoom. if i really need fastness at 14mm there is the 14mm 1.8 lens which got nice reviews.

As far as the Canon 16-35 competition shows, the 2.8 Version has so terrible vignetting that it is faster than the 4.0 IS only in the frame center. So if there is only the background blur as advantage, i would take the IS version for half the price anytime.

if the new 14-24 has similar bad vignetting i do not see why to give up 2mm at the wide end.

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Re: UPDATE: Next From Sigma? 14-24mm f/2.8 DG HSM Art
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2018, 10:19:49 AM »
I do not see the urgent need for 2.8 instead of 4.0 fastness in a ultra wide zoom. if i really need fastness at 14mm there is the 14mm 1.8 lens which got nice reviews.

As far as the Canon 16-35 competition shows, the 2.8 Version has so terrible vignetting that it is faster than the 4.0 IS only in the frame center. So if there is only the background blur as advantage, i would take the IS version for half the price anytime.

if the new 14-24 has similar bad vignetting i do not see why to give up 2mm at the wide end.

Agree

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Re: Next From Sigma? 14-24mm f/2.8 DG HSM Art
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2018, 10:43:19 AM »
Wondering why two lenses so close to each other in focal lengths which dont accept filters(Nikon offers 14-24 f2.8 and it has bulbous front element)?

Because the front element tends to get dramatically more bulbous wider than 16mm -- you'd need a very very large filter, like in excess of 90mm, so next to one offers that:

Canon 14L II = no front filter ring
Nikon 14-24 = no front filter ring
Tamron 15-30 = no front filter ring
Zeiss 15mm = 95mm filter ring

...whereas seemingly everyone has a 16- zoom that takes a filter.  16mm FF would appear to be the inflection point between practical / impractical as far as filtering goes.

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Re: UPDATE: Next From Sigma? 14-24mm f/2.8 DG HSM Art
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2018, 10:49:02 AM »
I do not see the urgent need for 2.8 instead of 4.0 fastness in a ultra wide zoom. if i really need fastness at 14mm there is the 14mm 1.8 lens which got nice reviews.

As far as the Canon 16-35 competition shows, the 2.8 Version has so terrible vignetting that it is faster than the 4.0 IS only in the frame center. So if there is only the background blur as advantage, i would take the IS version for half the price anytime.

if the new 14-24 has similar bad vignetting i do not see why to give up 2mm at the wide end.

Agree

For me the EF 11~24L does the job well. I would rather have the extra 3mm (about 30%) than one stop. Nothing against Sigma and their Art series, I love the 135....
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Re: UPDATE: Next From Sigma? 14-24mm f/2.8 DG HSM Art
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2018, 10:49:02 AM »

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Re: Next From Sigma? 14-24mm f/2.8 DG HSM Art
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2018, 10:50:18 AM »
I've always liked the idea of a 14-24 f/2.8 from Canon, but if I'm honest, I'd never bring it with me because the filter thread and ability to use 100mm filters is more important to me than the extra 2mm. In this case I'm happier with a 16-35 and carrying an extra 14mm on the rare occasions that I needed that extra 2mm.

Every time I see someone using that Nikon lens I always start to feel jealous, but then they pull out their filters and I don't feel bad anymore.

+1000

Just like I said about the practicality of front filtering wider than 16mm (see what I just posted above), this is doubly problematic for 100m / 4x6 filtering.  For starters you don't have the convenience of a front filter ring, so you need a special filter kit that mounts on the hood / lens barrel.  In addition, larger filters are required to avoid vignetting at such a wide FL, which takes you out of the most common 100mm product ecosystem --> you have fewer filter options and stuff costs more. 

The Nikkor is a fairly legendary piece of kit (Canonites didn't have similarly sharp UWA zoom for landscapes until the 16-35 f/4L IS came out), but those extra 2mm -- in fairness, not a bad thing at all for landscape compositions -- has this filtering baggage as a result.

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Re: UPDATE: Next From Sigma? 14-24mm f/2.8 DG HSM Art
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2018, 11:37:33 AM »
For me the EF 11~24L does the job well. I would rather have the extra 3mm (about 30%) than one stop. Nothing against Sigma and their Art series, I love the 135....

Folks were screaming for Canon to make the the 14-24 2.8 before the great trio of 16-35L x2 + 11-24L came out.  I asked them why and I got a smorgasbord of answers:

  • We don't have a UWA landscape zoom that is that sharp.
  • We don't have an UWA zoom that goes down to 14mm.
  • We don't have a great do-it-all UWA zoom.
  • We don't have a great astro zoom.

So in 2014 we got our landscape zoom update -- the 16-35 f/4L IS.  Sharp, light, well built, and it had the front filter ring so vital for landscape filtering.  IS was simply gravy for the dude who wants to shoot non-tripod-able dark interiors at reasonable ISO, handheld waterfalls, the odd video, etc. 

But the calls for a 14-24 f/2.8 persisted.  One down, but three to go:

  • We don't have a UWA landscape zoom that is that sharp.
  • We don't have an UWA zoom that goes down to 14mm.
  • We don't have a great do-it-all UWA zoom.
  • We don't have a great astro zoom.

And then in 2015 Canon put out the 11-24 f/4L.  All your focal length are belong to us.  14-24 2.8 calls still persisted, but with both the 16-35 f/4L IS and 11-24 f/4L now available, the number of folks wanting it were fewer:

  • We don't have a UWA landscape zoom that is that sharp.
  • We don't have an UWA zoom that goes down to 14mm.
  • We don't have a great do-it-all UWA zoom.
  • We don't have a great astro zoom.

And then in 2016 Canon put out the 16-35 f/2.8L III, an absolutely skull-splittingly sharp instrument for those that shoot events, sports, reportage, etc. as well as the landscaper who wanted a do-it-all tool.  We now have:

  • We don't have a UWA landscape zoom that is that sharp.
  • We don't have an UWA zoom that goes down to 14mm.
  • We don't have a great do-it-all UWA zoom.
  • We don't have a great astro zoom.

Since those three came out, very very few people have been piping up here about a 14-24 2.8.  I wonder if Sigma waited too long to offer such a lens.

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Re: UPDATE: Next From Sigma? 14-24mm f/2.8 DG HSM Art
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