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Isaacheus

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Re: Sigma Announces Brand New 14-24mm F2.8 Art Lens
« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2018, 08:06:39 PM »
I also wonder if zoom range obsessives -- the folks who have always been miffed about 16-35 and 24-70 overlap -- would jump on this as a new 'zoom trinity' of 14-24 / 24-70 / 70-200 like the Nikon camp?

What say you all?  Let's say:

  • You did not presently own any UWA zoom
  • This new Sigma is on the very high level of the 16-35 f/2.8L III and the AF is spot on.
  • The price / quality of the 14-24 and 16-35 lenses is the same. (price surely won't be, but let's just say so for the sake of argument)

...would you prefer 14-24 / 24-70 / 70-200 or would you prefer 16-35 / 24-70 / 70-200, and why? 

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Personally, if the 14-24 could be filtered (with a 100x100 or 150x100) then I'd would have looked at going this way, as the difference between 14 and 16mm can be quite noticeable, and the lack of overlap to extend the possible coverage makes sense.

Having said that, I already have the 20m art and 16-35 f4, so the 14mm art prime is more attractive to me currently. The 16-35 f4 being that much lighter than the 2.8's etc means that I can use it for video more readily, throw in the pack for hikes etc

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Re: Sigma Announces Brand New 14-24mm F2.8 Art Lens
« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2018, 08:06:39 PM »

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Re: Sigma Announces Brand New 14-24mm F2.8 Art Lens
« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2018, 08:21:11 PM »
I, am pretty lucky.  My WA array is a wonderful 14mm f/2.8 ii and a 16-35 f/4.  The thought of carrying a 14-24 zoom instead of 2 lenses is appealing but not right now.  Need to finish paying for what I have  ;) .


those are wonderful optics..  you have
it seems we always end up with a lot of overlap in these ranges..

but they have certain uses..
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I gave the 16-35, f4 as a gift to a photographer I hardly knew.. she needed it..
... and could use it properly.... beyond me..

I like the idea of ONLY a couple lenses...
 a wide-zoom and the macro 100 L

like that
or 14, 35L II  and 135 (canon or sigma)... or even the 100 macro L...
2.8 is min   ..faster is more useful....
but those are
more than enough.. the rest is getting to the place...the moment

fast (1.4....1.8) is very nice ...especially if you are limited.. to a couple lenses
IMO

I saw a movie.... The Dark Valley (B/W) Paula Beer.. beautiful woman
the shallow depth of the focus ..and sharp shots were stunning....
completely made the art...the mood.. IMO
they may have only used a couple very fast lenses..
but it is more than i know..

I have work to do ...myself ...
those modern objects...can maybe help

the lenses now are pretty nice...
good times...

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Re: Sigma Announces Brand New 14-24mm F2.8 Art Lens
« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2018, 08:40:01 PM »
Grhhhh, bought the 12-24/f4 2 month ago and now this :-(

Want someone my 12-24 - sell it ;-)

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Re: Sigma Announces Brand New 14-24mm F2.8 Art Lens
« Reply #33 on: February 10, 2018, 01:13:46 AM »
Grhhhh, bought the 12-24/f4 2 month ago and now this :-(

Want someone my 12-24 - sell it ;-)

Here is a situation where resale value counts! 

Rough timing.   

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Re: Sigma Announces Brand New 14-24mm F2.8 Art Lens
« Reply #34 on: February 10, 2018, 02:29:52 PM »
"Canon mount is compatible with the Canon Lens Aberration Correction function."

Did anyone else catch this?  If so, this would be the first third party lens I've seen that is supported by in-camera profiling.
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Re: Sigma Announces Brand New 14-24mm F2.8 Art Lens
« Reply #35 on: February 10, 2018, 05:11:04 PM »
"Canon mount is compatible with the Canon Lens Aberration Correction function."

Did anyone else catch this?  If so, this would be the first third party lens I've seen that is supported by in-camera profiling.

Good catch!  Could this also suggest either a cracking of the AF code--or some agreement between Sigma and Canon?

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Re: Sigma Announces Brand New 14-24mm F2.8 Art Lens
« Reply #36 on: February 11, 2018, 04:54:50 PM »
"Canon mount is compatible with the Canon Lens Aberration Correction function."

Did anyone else catch this?  If so, this would be the first third party lens I've seen that is supported by in-camera profiling.

Good catch!  Could this also suggest either a cracking of the AF code--or some agreement between Sigma and Canon?

I've emailed my Sigma contact to inquire further.
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Re: Sigma Announces Brand New 14-24mm F2.8 Art Lens
« Reply #36 on: February 11, 2018, 04:54:50 PM »

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Re: Sigma Announces Brand New 14-24mm F2.8 Art Lens
« Reply #37 on: February 11, 2018, 04:59:37 PM »
"Canon mount is compatible with the Canon Lens Aberration Correction function."

Did anyone else catch this?  If so, this would be the first third party lens I've seen that is supported by in-camera profiling.

Good catch!  Could this also suggest either a cracking of the AF code--or some agreement between Sigma and Canon?
Could just mean that one doesn’t get that odd peephole effect when not turning off the lens correction function; not that the lens is actually corrected.

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Re: Sigma Announces Brand New 14-24mm F2.8 Art Lens
« Reply #38 on: February 12, 2018, 10:43:02 AM »
With the 11-24/12-24s , the 14-24 seems superfluous, but it looks to be aimed directly at Nikon.

Disagree.  With the exception of their line of lenses just for mirrorless, Sigma doesn't put out glass without a strong Canon sales opportunity -- they'd be fools not to with Canon's market share.  I think there are still some Canon folks who have always wanted that 14-24 Nikkor and Sigma is hoping to scoop them up.

Also, going down to 11mm is brutally heavy, expensive, exceptionally challenging to filter, and -- perhaps critically -- is f/4.

I guess that there is something magical to some folks here about 14mm + zoom + f/2.8 being all in one lens.  It's not for me as I said before (the wheels come off the bus for me without a front filter ring and compatibility with 100x100 / 100x150 filters), but this was for a long time high on the list of lenses Nikon offered that Canon did not.  I'm guessing that's what Sigma is banking on here.

- A
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Sigma released the 24-105 f/4, which is priced a lot more than the Canon 24-105 f/4L.  Canon's 24-105 f/4L II has a higher list price but I got my white box version for 700+, again at a significant discount to the Sigma.  With white box 24-105 f/4Ls going at 500-600 when the Sigma was released at a higher launch price, how much market do you think it was going to get from Canon users?  My guess is that it was aimed more at the Nikon.

Canon has the largest market share, but Sigma can capture a sizeable market share by producing lenses that can be used on several platforms.  The 1.8 APS-C zooms probably fit in that niche.  Canon only produces lenses for Canon and that limits the market.  Canon has decided it is not worth producing EF-S f/1.8 zooms but Sigma has had success with them because it makes them for Canon and Nikon.

Canon now has better UWA zooms than Nikon.  Nikon has a 17-35 f/2.8 and a 16-35 f/4, but not something that fits the same slot as the 16-35 f/2.8 III.  With the 16-35 f/2.8 III, how viable is the 14-24?  It has a narrower focal length range, is heavier, doesn't take filters and gets you two additional mm.  At that point, it might be preferable to couple the 16-35 with a 14mm prime.  The 11-24L or Sigma 12-24 are options if one wants to go wider, and the Sigma 14 prime is better for astro even if you have to stop down the aperture slightly.  And there is the 15-30 VC too.  So how big is the market for Canon users for a 14-24?  A design like this would have been more viable 5 years ago before all the UWA zooms came to market.

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Re: Sigma Announces Brand New 14-24mm F2.8 Art Lens
« Reply #39 on: February 12, 2018, 11:54:38 AM »
Very interested, but will wait to see just how go it is

Does Sigma offer a service to convert between mounts?  Just curious

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Re: Sigma Announces Brand New 14-24mm F2.8 Art Lens
« Reply #40 on: February 13, 2018, 04:57:37 AM »
With the 11-24/12-24s , the 14-24 seems superfluous, but it looks to be aimed directly at Nikon.

Nikon already makes a 14-24mm f/2.8, Canon doesn't. It makes more sense to compete in a segment in which there isn't a direct competitor.

Both Canon's 11-24mm and Sigma's 12-24mm are f/4, so the new lens has a one f/stop advantage. This should help AF (most, if not all, current DSLRs models have at least one AF point that works only with f/2.8 & faster max aperture) and usage scenarios like astrophotography.

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Re: Sigma Announces Brand New 14-24mm F2.8 Art Lens
« Reply #41 on: February 13, 2018, 06:31:25 AM »
With the 11-24/12-24s , the 14-24 seems superfluous, but it looks to be aimed directly at Nikon.

Nikon already makes a 14-24mm f/2.8, Canon doesn't. It makes more sense to compete in a segment in which there isn't a direct competitor.

Both Canon's 11-24mm and Sigma's 12-24mm are f/4, so the new lens has a one f/stop advantage. This should help AF (most, if not all, current DSLRs models have at least one AF point that works only with f/2.8 & faster max aperture) and usage scenarios like astrophotography.

Exactly!


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Re: Sigma Announces Brand New 14-24mm F2.8 Art Lens
« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2018, 07:16:00 AM »
Canon now has better UWA zooms than Nikon.  Nikon has a 17-35 f/2.8 and a 16-35 f/4, but not something that fits the same slot as the 16-35 f/2.8 III.  With the 16-35 f/2.8 III, how viable is the 14-24?  It has a narrower focal length range, is heavier, doesn't take filters and gets you two additional mm.  At that point, it might be preferable to couple the 16-35 with a 14mm prime.

If the 14-24mm would have low coma, it would be preferred for astrophotography.

If one would like an ultra-wide lens to go along a 24-70mm f/2.8, buying the one 14-24mm f/2.8 would make more sense than buying the two 14mm + 16-35mm.

So, though I agree with your logic, I think some photographers might have a different view.

the Sigma 14 prime is better for astro even if you have to stop down the aperture slightly.  And there is the 15-30 VC too.

Wouldn't that depend on the 14-24mm's image quality?

According to photozone, the 14mm f/1.8 has strong barrel distortion (the 14-24mm is supposed to have <1% vs 3.43% here), isn't sharp wide open @ ~f/2 on high resolution sensors (again, the 14-24mm is supposed to be better here), and apparently doesn't excel in the coma department on FF sensors.

In other words, it seems Sigma thinks those two lenses have distinct & separate target audiences.

So how big is the market for Canon users for a 14-24?  A design like this would have been more viable 5 years ago before all the UWA zooms came to market.

That is an excellent question / point. When the Nikkor 14-24mm f/2.8 came out, I was somewhat envious. Then a photography shop employee I appreciate* for his advice told me a lot of copies of this lens got quickly into the used market (the shop traded in used photography equipment), as people were disappointed with it. Apparently the lens didn't serve their needs as well as the hoped.


* I take his opinion seriously as he cared more about the customers' interests than his employer's. I would often come in looking for an expensive item, and receive his good advise to buy a cheaper item, or none at all. That cost him dearly when the shop closed one year ago. I've met most other employees behind the counters of other photography shops, AFAIK he's still looking for a job.

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Re: Sigma Announces Brand New 14-24mm F2.8 Art Lens
« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2018, 07:16:00 AM »

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Re: Sigma Announces Brand New 14-24mm F2.8 Art Lens
« Reply #43 on: February 14, 2018, 03:55:33 AM »
think it would compete directly at Nikon's 14-24mm f/2,8 and fill the void of Canon's arsenal.

Would Canon's body able to detect this 2,8 like the Sigma 12-24mm f/4 Art when mounted and provide on-board corrections??





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Re: Sigma Announces Brand New 14-24mm F2.8 Art Lens
« Reply #44 on: February 14, 2018, 10:39:22 AM »
think it would compete directly at Nikon's 14-24mm f/2,8 and fill the void of Canon's arsenal.

Would Canon's body able to detect this 2,8 like the Sigma 12-24mm f/4 Art when mounted and provide on-board corrections??


Interesting.

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Re: Sigma Announces Brand New 14-24mm F2.8 Art Lens
« Reply #44 on: February 14, 2018, 10:39:22 AM »