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Sharlin

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Re: Tamron to Announce 70-210mm f/4 Di VC USD
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2018, 07:50:50 AM »
I’m fairly sure Tamron knows roughly inifinity times better what sort of lenses are better business-wise than Random CR Commenter #85549  ::)

> smaller
> better in low light

Also, physics called. They’d have a word.

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Re: Tamron to Announce 70-210mm f/4 Di VC USD
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2018, 07:50:50 AM »

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Re: Tamron to Announce 70-210mm f/4 Di VC USD
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2018, 08:01:18 AM »
Seriously what is this crap. Why  even makes lens like this.  and what is the 10 extra MM suppsoed to do.  companies need to focus on  making lens sharper, smaller,  and better in low light and introduce ranges that arent around.

stupid tamron is doomed! why didn't they make this 70-210 f/4 to actually be 50-300 f/2.8

anyway, ignoring random reality disconnected internet user, this is actually cool. some 30 years ago sigma, tokina and canon had 70-210mm lenses but f/2.8

unfortunately for tamron, my canon 55-250 STM gives me a good reason not to buy this...or the canon 70-200 f4, however much i would want to...
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Re: Tamron to Announce 70-210mm f/4 Di VC USD
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2018, 08:56:02 AM »
what is the 10 extra MM suppsoed to do. companies need to focus on  making lens sharper, smaller,  and better in low light and introduce ranges that arent around.

You realize that the demand for "smaller" conflicts with the demand for "better in low light".....

Also, the extra 10mm introduces a range that isn't around.......
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Re: Tamron to Announce 70-210mm f/4 Di VC USD
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2018, 11:09:18 AM »
Given the quality of recent Tamron lenses this should be great. I think a lot of users don't want the price and weight of an f2.8 (which is why Canon makes an f4 version). My hope is that Tamron will next make an affordable super telephoto with one stop smaller aperture (meaning a 500 f5.6).

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Re: Tamron to Announce 70-210mm f/4 Di VC USD
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2018, 11:13:51 AM »

...If there’s one thing Canon has done right it’s their budget EF-S lenses (55-250STM, 24mm Pancake, 10-18STM).
I believe this Tamron 70-210mm is not intended for users of Rebel cameras, but users of 5D Mark ii, 6D, and other full-frame low-cost.

In fact EF-S 55-250mm STM is a rare jewel, and probably the new Tamron will not outperform it in terms of image quality when mounted on APS-C cameras.

I think the Tamron would have faster AF against the STM lens. That's a big deal at these focal lengths.
Who has not used it, does not know: EF-S 55-250mm has very fast autofocus, and greatly outperforms the EF 70-300USM.

We must stop the myth that "STM is always slow". This bias comes from those who only used the pancakes or 50mm STM.
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Re: Tamron to Announce 70-210mm f/4 Di VC USD
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2018, 11:17:57 AM »
.  and what is the 10 extra MM suppsoed to do..

Possibly equal 200mm compared to Canon? My experience with Tamron zooms is they fall short of the same focal length as the equivalent Canon zoom.

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Re: Tamron to Announce 70-210mm f/4 Di VC USD
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2018, 12:02:38 PM »
But why put the zoom ring on the outside, further from the camera body?  This is the opposite of what Canon does on its 70-200.  And it seems less practical to have it out there.

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« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2018, 12:02:38 PM »

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Re: Tamron to Announce 70-210mm f/4 Di VC USD
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2018, 12:15:48 PM »
I’m fairly sure Tamron knows roughly inifinity times better what sort of lenses are better business-wise than Random CR Commenter #85549  ::)

> smaller
> better in low light

Also, physics called. They’d have a word.
yes because all companies  really know what people want and offer it... damn every company must very successful since they all know and offer what people want because I a random user and  consumer of cameras and lenses  dont know what the hell people want. 

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Re: Tamron to Announce 70-210mm f/4 Di VC USD
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2018, 12:17:36 PM »
what is the 10 extra MM suppsoed to do. companies need to focus on  making lens sharper, smaller,  and better in low light and introduce ranges that arent around.

You realize that the demand for "smaller" conflicts with the demand for "better in low light".....

Also, the extra 10mm introduces a range that isn't around.......
Then comes the option of why bother making  something. I am just out of the loop, you guys made me realize the demand for 70-210 f/4 lenses.

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Re: Tamron to Announce 70-210mm f/4 Di VC USD
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2018, 12:38:34 PM »
But why put the zoom ring on the outside, further from the camera body?  This is the opposite of what Canon does on its 70-200.  And it seems less practical to have it out there.

Due to optical design most likely. They have to be mechanically coupled to the corresponding lens groups...

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Re: Tamron to Announce 70-210mm f/4 Di VC USD
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2018, 12:52:33 PM »
yes because all companies  really know what people want and offer it... damn every company must very successful since they all know and offer what people want because I a random user and  consumer of cameras and lenses  dont know what the hell people want.

Random consumers usually know what they want. Unfortunately, often they think they're a representative sample of the general target audience even if they aren't. They're generalizing from a single data point (themselves). Large companies have many many more data points, both by having already sold a shitload of goods and by spending money on market studies. It's not that every product by every company is always a success, of course. But a priori they certainly know what they're doing better than random internet commentariat.

The EF 70-200 f/4 USM is a very popular lens and commonly thought to be one of the best bang-for-the-buck lenses Canon sells. The 70-200mm f/4 IS USM is also very well regarded and popular among the crowd who want a high quality tele without the huge extra bulk of an f/2.8 version. F/4 is plenty enough for even many professional purposes.


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Re: Tamron to Announce 70-210mm f/4 Di VC USD
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2018, 12:56:31 PM »
what is the 10 extra MM suppsoed to do. companies need to focus on  making lens sharper, smaller,  and better in low light and introduce ranges that arent around.

You realize that the demand for "smaller" conflicts with the demand for "better in low light".....

Also, the extra 10mm introduces a range that isn't around.......
Then comes the option of why bother making  something. I am just out of the loop, you guys made me realize the demand for 70-210 f/4 lenses.

"better" in low light can mean different things to different people.  One thing that often gets overlooked when comparing 70-200 f/4 and f/2.8 is that when using OVF, f/2.8 always has superior autofocus, and the viewfinder will always be brighter, than f/4.

For a lot of people, 70-200 is a portrait lens, and if you're using it indoors with flash, 2.8 AF just performs better that way.  Unlike 24-70 and 16-35, you don't need to choose between image stabilization and aperture, so the only downside of the 2.8 is size/weight.  I think that this just isn't an issue for a lot of photoghraphers because they've gotten used to body + 1.5kg.



yes because all companies  really know what people want and offer it... damn every company must very successful since they all know and offer what people want because I a random user and  consumer of cameras and lenses  dont know what the hell people want.

Random consumers usually know what they want. Unfortunately, often they think they're a representative sample of the general target audience even if they aren't. They're generalizing from a single data point (themselves). Large companies have many many more data points, both by having already sold a shitload of goods and by spending money on market studies. It's not that every product by every company is always a success, of course. But a priori they certainly know what they're doing better than random internet commentariat.

The EF 70-200 f/4 USM is a very popular lens and commonly thought to be one of the best bang-for-the-buck lenses Canon sells. The 70-200mm f/4 IS USM is also very well regarded and popular among the crowd who want a high quality tele without the huge extra bulk of an f/2.8 version. F/4 is plenty enough for even many professional purposes.

Which begs to ask, what the price of a third party 70-200/4 with IS will be.  The Canon is at a perfect price point ($1k).  I don't think this will be a $500 lens, though if it were, that could be a spectacular alternative to consumer grade lenses.  So where does it fall... $700?    Is that enough of a price difference from the Canon?
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Re: Tamron to Announce 70-210mm f/4 Di VC USD
« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2018, 01:13:28 PM »
Which begs to ask, what the price of a third party 70-200/4 with IS will be.  The Canon is at a perfect price point ($1k).  I don't think this will be a $500 lens, though if it were, that could be a spectacular alternative to consumer grade lenses.  So where does it fall... $700?    Is that enough of a price difference from the Canon?

My educated guess is: same price bracket as the EF 70-200mm f/4 non-IS. My bet is between $600 and $700. $500 is too low; $800 too high.

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« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2018, 01:13:28 PM »

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Re: Tamron to Announce 70-210mm f/4 Di VC USD
« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2018, 02:46:19 PM »
If the price can come down to around that for the non-IS Canon f/4, that's a really solid move. The f/4 with IS is already close enough to newer lenses that I doubt Tamron could really better it enough to compete at the same price point, but undercutting the IS f/4 and completely overshadowing the non-IS f/4 would be a great move.

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Re: Tamron to Announce 70-210mm f/4 Di VC USD
« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2018, 03:19:42 PM »
I'd like to buy a telephoto zoom this summer (mostly for landscapes of distant subjects) and if this one will be better in any aspect (more sharpness, less CA, less focus breathing) than the 70-200mm f/2.8 G2 I will probably buy this. At this focal range even f/4 is fast enough for most purposes and provides great background blur. I don't really care about the extra 10 mm of this one but would probably be interested in a 200-500mm f/4.5-5.6 lens or something similarly small, lightweight and relatively fast.

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Re: Tamron to Announce 70-210mm f/4 Di VC USD
« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2018, 03:19:42 PM »