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Re: Leaked: Canon EOS M50 Image & Specifications
« Reply #90 on: February 21, 2018, 10:10:01 AM »
If CR is correct about the price (around current M6 prices), it will decimate all previous body sales.

why would it? I wouldn't trade my M5 for this.

this camera's song and dance will be 4K video and ergonomics to match 4K video, not  stills.  can sort of tell that from the one picture.  No mFn button anymore, the record is there.

Odds are canon tweaked this to be exactly for the needs of vlogging.

it's not "crippled" it is just a camera body that canon has tweaked to be best served for it's purpose.



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Re: Leaked: Canon EOS M50 Image & Specifications
« Reply #90 on: February 21, 2018, 10:10:01 AM »

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Re: Leaked: Canon EOS M50 Image & Specifications
« Reply #91 on: February 21, 2018, 10:13:18 AM »
Also, it states that the C-Raw files are 40 percent smaller than the CR3 files and about the same size as the old RAW files....

This answer. CR3 because compression change.

Canon follow Apple, replace JPEG by HEIF in CR3?

https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7391.0

Magic Lantern show JPEG for RAW, don't understand?

compression alone wouldn't do it, from what i recall from the makernotes, compression is an option there.

I suspect the different file format is because of the inclusion of DLO information which would be drastically different output if it was in non-destructive information.




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Re: Leaked: Canon EOS M50 Image & Specifications
« Reply #92 on: February 21, 2018, 10:20:50 AM »
Certainly it will be the first Canon with their new sensor generation.
Remember the heap of radio related registrations for rebel cameras?

I bet that Canon is switching their entire sensor platform to a new
technology, starting with all entry and middle class cameras for
Photokina 2018, and likely the big guns to follow for Photokina 2019,
which is just half a year later in may 2019.

Some might convert to mirrorless at the same time, some might
remain mirror slappers.

Nevertheless, this is a milestone.

The M50 might not be the most exciting camera ever, but it
marks the switch to a complete new sensor generation.

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Re: Leaked: Canon EOS M50 Image & Specifications
« Reply #93 on: February 21, 2018, 11:44:34 AM »
Certainly it will be the first Canon with their new sensor generation.

getting a WAY ahead of things and setting yourself up for disappointment.

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Re: Leaked: Canon EOS M50 Image & Specifications
« Reply #94 on: February 21, 2018, 11:55:29 AM »
Canon follow Apple, replace JPEG by HEIF in CR3?

DIGIC 8 for 4K in mirrorless.
DIGIC 8 have H.265 in chip? Need for cool chip process fast video.

HEIF use HEVC (H.265). CR3 for DIGIC 8 newer only.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Image_File_Format

HEIF 50% smaller on JPEG:
https://www.tenorshare.com/heic-converter/heif-vs-jpeg-everything-you-need-to-know.html

JPEG encoding used for raw. Change to HEIF. Maybe only 40% on raw.

But why Canon say "C-RAW"/"in-camera raw"?

Read Wikipedia:
"Additionally, HEIF introduces a framework for other non-destructive editing operations which can be specified by external specifications."

But all is guess :)
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Re: Leaked: Canon EOS M50 Image & Specifications
« Reply #95 on: February 21, 2018, 12:00:14 PM »
5-axis sensor-based image stabilization coming in M50?

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Re: Leaked: Canon EOS M50 Image & Specifications
« Reply #96 on: February 21, 2018, 12:15:37 PM »
5-axis sensor-based image stabilization coming in M50?

never?

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Re: Leaked: Canon EOS M50 Image & Specifications
« Reply #96 on: February 21, 2018, 12:15:37 PM »

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Re: Leaked: Canon EOS M50 Image & Specifications
« Reply #97 on: February 21, 2018, 12:27:33 PM »
Certainly it will be the first Canon with their new sensor generation.

getting a WAY ahead of things and setting yourself up for disappointment.

Isn't this inevitable in threads such as this!! ;D

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Re: Leaked: Canon EOS M50 Image & Specifications
« Reply #98 on: February 21, 2018, 12:33:39 PM »
Certainly it will be the first Canon with their new sensor generation.

getting a WAY ahead of things and setting yourself up for disappointment.


Not at all. Introducing a new sensor platform doesn't necessarily mean
the found the holy grail of sensors. They will be somewhat better than
what we have (in Canon cameras) today, but expect no miracles.

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Re: Leaked: Canon EOS M50 Image & Specifications
« Reply #99 on: February 21, 2018, 12:38:16 PM »
Certainly it will be the first Canon with their new sensor generation.

getting a WAY ahead of things and setting yourself up for disappointment.

Isn't this inevitable in threads such as this!! ;D

Jack

Yes, and then when Canon doesn't have all the specs that people here are wishing for and speculating about, they will say stupid canon instead of Stupid ME!

For heaven's sake - we don't even know that this is a new sensor!  Maybe someone types "24.1" instead of "24.2" and everyone goes berserk.

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Re: Leaked: Canon EOS M50 Image & Specifications
« Reply #100 on: February 21, 2018, 12:51:12 PM »
For heaven's sake - we don't even know that this is a new sensor!  Maybe someone types "24.1" instead of "24.2" and everyone goes berserk.

Yeah, with the 24.1 vs. 24.2 thing, I think we're taking 'the 18 MP rebel era' a bit too finely here.  It's a different number!  Darkness is now light!  Cats are sleeping with dogs!  :P

Some folks are of the mindset that a small change in res --> new dies in manufacturing --> all new sensor hotness.  Sure, it's possible, but the res change could be for a mountain of reasons: 

  • Perhaps it's the same damn 24.2 MP sensor and Canon doesn't want to sample/report every pixel for DPAF or video processing reasons.       
  • Perhaps Canon literally wants the M5/M6 line to look 0.1 MP more premium.  (I admit this is a stretch, but 20 vs. 22 and 26 vs. 30 for the 6D/5D lines implies Canon does segment it's lines with resolution in fine margins.)
  • Perhaps this was a long planned new fab line that has nothing to do with architecture changes.
  • Perhaps DPAF is now QPAF (4 pixels) -- which would be sweet but probably won't skyrocket the DXO score, base ISO DR, etc. (which seems to be all anyone cares about).
  • A new resolution doesn't mean it's a major future thing Canon is hanging it's hat on. 7D2, 6D1, 6D2 all got one-off sensors just for those models (if memory serves).

I'm no sensor whisperer, so I'm sure some of the riffing above is rubbish, but you get my point: popping open the bubbly for a 0.1 MP change is wildly, wildly premature.

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Re: Leaked: Canon EOS M50 Image & Specifications
« Reply #101 on: February 21, 2018, 01:12:11 PM »
Certainly it will be the first Canon with their new sensor generation.

getting a WAY ahead of things and setting yourself up for disappointment.


Not at all. Introducing a new sensor platform doesn't necessarily mean
the found the holy grail of sensors. They will be somewhat better than
what we have (in Canon cameras) today, but expect no miracles.
again, you are stating something that hasn't been even proven or shown yet. there was no rumors stating this was a new generation. supposedly the 7D Mark II was supposed to show that off.

the actual effective pixels of this sensor would still be 24 mega pixels

they aren't going to change it from 6000x4000 to 6004x4002 or something like that ;)

it's far more likely that it's the exact same or even a bit worse for stills than the M5/M6 because it's tuned for video than it is for stills.
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Re: Leaked: Canon EOS M50 Image & Specifications
« Reply #102 on: February 21, 2018, 04:03:12 PM »
again, you are stating something that hasn't been even proven or shown yet.
there was no rumors stating this was a new generation.

Remember, we are discussing on a *rumors* website.....

Call it "educated guess". Canon knows that their sensors are
perceived worse than they are, they recognise Sony and more
so Fuji as upcoming competition.

So, there is massive change to expect in the near future, as Canon
has decided and proclaimed to be going into the "more innovation"
direction.

Now, there are registrations known for not a single, but several new
future cameras in the entry level and middle class category.

They are outside of what resembles a regular update cycle, and
they are registered as DSLRs, so this is not (yet) the full swing
over to mirrorless.

Parallel to that Canon introduces new raw file extensions.
The common denominator is made clear by that: Canon is
changing their sensor platform.

Mark my words - we will all know that by Monday for sure.

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Re: Leaked: Canon EOS M50 Image & Specifications
« Reply #102 on: February 21, 2018, 04:03:12 PM »

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Re: Leaked: Canon EOS M50 Image & Specifications
« Reply #103 on: February 21, 2018, 05:17:21 PM »
again, you are stating something that hasn't been even proven or shown yet.
there was no rumors stating this was a new generation.

Remember, we are discussing on a *rumors* website.....

Call it "educated guess". Canon knows that their sensors are
perceived worse than they are, they recognise Sony and more
so Fuji as upcoming competition.

So, there is massive change to expect in the near future, as Canon
has decided and proclaimed to be going into the "more innovation"
direction.

Now, there are registrations known for not a single, but several new
future cameras in the entry level and middle class category.

They are outside of what resembles a regular update cycle, and
they are registered as DSLRs, so this is not (yet) the full swing
over to mirrorless.

Parallel to that Canon introduces new raw file extensions.
The common denominator is made clear by that: Canon is
changing their sensor platform.

Mark my words - we will all know that by Monday for sure.

You may consider your words marked.  As you say, we will know more in a few days.

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Re: Leaked: Canon EOS M50 Image & Specifications
« Reply #104 on: February 21, 2018, 05:51:32 PM »
The proof will be in the eating of the pudding when it is served!  I'm willing to bet there will be a flood of complaints. ;)

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Re: Leaked: Canon EOS M50 Image & Specifications
« Reply #104 on: February 21, 2018, 05:51:32 PM »