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Sharlin

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Re: Canon EOS M50, More Images and Specifications
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2018, 10:47:36 AM »
The fact that frame-grabbing is mentioned just might imply MJPEG.
not really at all.

canon does frame grabs from their h.264 equipped cameras.  the XC10 for instance has done this since it came out.

Ah, good to know.

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Re: Canon EOS M50, More Images and Specifications
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2018, 10:47:36 AM »

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Re: Canon EOS M50, More Images and Specifications
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2018, 10:51:03 AM »
The fact that frame-grabbing is mentioned just might imply MJPEG.
not really at all.

canon does frame grabs from their h.264 equipped cameras.  the XC10 for instance has done this since it came out.

Ah, good to know.

The used of motion JPEG was to reduce heating issues. The new processors were probably designed with 4K in mind, I'm expecting an H.264 codec that's comparable in quality and bit rate to the older GH4 and the consumer GX85.

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Re: Canon EOS M50, More Images and Specifications
« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2018, 10:55:32 AM »
The first camera from Canon in a few years that got me really excited. It definitely has great specs.

My excitements about this camera

1) It is Canon
2) has 4k and 120p HD
3) Large coverage of AF area. Will be kickass autofocus with DPAF
4) 5-Axis electronic image stabilization.
5) Vari angle touchscreen
6) New RAW format

I hope for the following

Hope they read 6000*3375 or 5888*3105 (for DCI) pixels for 4k video and over sample them not pixel binning
H.265 codec
SD UHS ll
Focus peaking
4k HDMI out no biggie I can live without one but it will be nice to output to a big monitor or an external recorder

If Canon offers above then I see this as the first nail is some of the m43 camera coffins unless m43 camera make another huge leap. I am not claiming Panasonic, Olympus, etc are doomed, I sure they will take a sales hit. More youtubers will adopt or return to Canon

What is not there

Headphone jack is not there. To be clear I am just highlighting not complaining

I don't care about the following I am pretty positive these will not be there but I will be pleasantly surprised if Canon offers these
C-log
Zebras

My gripes so far
LP-E12 battery they could have at least kept the LP-E17 from M5
At least one more dial that can be customized

If this has a decent codec for 4k I am sure I will pre-order it which would be a first ever for me. I never ever have pre-ordered a camera gear with the exception of supporting peak design's latest kick starter project.

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Re: Canon EOS M50, More Images and Specifications
« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2018, 10:57:37 AM »
Dual Sensing IS - now that would be interesting.
DLO - What is that?
CR3 - OMG OMG! Want to see what's better in it in real life.
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Re: Canon EOS M50, More Images and Specifications
« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2018, 11:00:59 AM »
Dual Sensing IS - now that would be interesting.
DLO - What is that?
CR3 - OMG OMG! Want to see what's better in it in real life.

Digital Lens Optimizer.  Helps to removed a dozen or so aberrations associated with lenses, also does deconvolution for AA filter and diffraction.

Dual sensing IS .. I'm thinking this means the sensors are both in the lens and in the camera body.

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Re: Canon EOS M50, More Images and Specifications
« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2018, 11:03:35 AM »
Hope they read 6000*3375 or 5888*3105 (for DCI) pixels for 4k video and over sample them not pixel binning
H.265 codec
SD UHS ll
Focus peaking

focus peaking has been in canon's mirrorless cameras since the M3. it would be a weird omission.

I doubt the other two really happen. but i could be wrong. if it's full screen, I'm thinking it's probably line skipped.  even line skipped APS-C is a pretty big step for canon really.

5 axis electronic stabilization means that 2 axis are done in lens  and the rest are done by digitally cropping the image to reduce the effect of shake.  it's not 5 axis IBIS.



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Re: Canon EOS M50, More Images and Specifications
« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2018, 11:05:54 AM »
From digicame-info

"New silent mode can shoot with no shutter sound at all"

sounds like there is electronic shutter. That is another thing that got me excited about this camera

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Re: Canon EOS M50, More Images and Specifications
« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2018, 11:05:54 AM »

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Re: Canon EOS M50, More Images and Specifications
« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2018, 11:06:18 AM »
I like it the only thing i would change is 120fps in FHD but i guess thats something we can expect in the M5 mark ii. I can't wait to see the pupil detection in action.

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Re: Canon EOS M50, More Images and Specifications
« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2018, 11:08:06 AM »
Dual Sensing IS - now that would be interesting.

Probably the same Hybrid IS as in some other cameras, not new. (Edit: apparently not just that but combining in-camera and in-lens IS sensor data for improved stabilization)

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DLO - What is that?

In-camera Digital Lens Optimizer. Based on optical transfer function data corrects for aberrations, diffraction, and AA filter effect. Has been available in Canon DPP and in-camera in some more expensive models.

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CR3 - OMG OMG! Want to see what's better in it in real life.

I wouldn't get my hopes up that this has much relevance to the photographer.
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Re: Canon EOS M50, More Images and Specifications
« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2018, 11:08:45 AM »
courtesy digicame-info

    More detailed spec of EOS M50

    - 24.1 Million Pixels APS - C CMOS
    - DIGIC 8
    - Dual pixel CMOS AF with greatly improved performance
    - AF area is enlarged by about 38% with corresponding lens (100% vertical × 88% wide of live view image display range)
    - Selectable AF points are corresponding lenses up to 143 points (99 points for non-compatible lenses)
    - pupil detection AF
    - Dual Sensing IS
    - Silent mode
    - DLO in camera
    - RAW development in camera
    - Video: 4K 25p / 24p, FHD 60p, HD 120p
    - Extract frames from 4K movies
    - 5-axis electronic image stabilization compensation · Combination IS
    - Standard ISO: 100-25600 (extended ISO: 51200)
    - Continuous: Up to 10 frames per second (at servo AF: up to 7.4 frames / sec)
    - EVF: 0.39 type 2.36 million dot Organic EL
    - Type 3 104,000 dpi Baliangle Touch Panel LCD
    - Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, NFC installed
    - Wireless remote controller BR-E1 compatible
    - HDMI HDR output compatible
    - Supports next-generation CR3 RAW format and new C-RAW compression format
    - The C - RAW format has a smaller file size than the conventional RAW by 40%, and it corresponds to in - camera RAW development and digital lens optimizer
    - Battery: LP - E 12
    - Size: 116.3 x 88.1 x 58.7 mm
    - Weight: 387 g black, 390 g white (including battery and memory card)
    - Color: Black · White
    - (Additional description) Dual sensing IS corrects camera shake using both information of the sensor on the body side and information on the lens gyro sensor, improves the effect of 0.5 steps when still
    - (Additional notes) New silent mode can shoot with no shutter sound at all
    - (Additional description) Improvement of the Auto Lighting Optimizer
    - (Additional description) Improvement of high brightness side gradation priority function
    - (Additional description) 4K / full HD time lapse function
    - (Additional description) Microphone terminal, stereo microphone DM-E1 compatible
    - (Additional description) Improvement of AF accuracy during moving object tracking using distance information between moving subject and background
    - (Additional description) 2 axis electronic level
    - (Additional description) Supports HDR output from HDMI when playing RAW images

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Re: Canon EOS M50, More Images and Specifications
« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2018, 11:12:03 AM »
Key questions with this spec list?

1) How good is the eye AF?

2) What in the blazes is dual-sensing IS?  Is the sensor actually floating w.r.t. to the body or does it just have sensors/accelerometers onboard to (I don't know) better inform the lens IS?

3) When my new EF 50 prime comes out next year, it will get the 143 point AF treatment, right?  ;D

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Re: Canon EOS M50, More Images and Specifications
« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2018, 11:14:11 AM »
My only complain: the spec looks really good, at least on paper, meaning less chance of bargain hunting!!

M5 body had been on sale for less than US$550 (from Canon website) in Hong Kong since last October, and are recently back to regular price.  May be they have cleared all stock to make room for the M50.  Really exciting times ahead.  Just wish there is no surprising omission, and I will place an order immediately!!

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Re: Canon EOS M50, More Images and Specifications
« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2018, 11:19:55 AM »
Dual Sensing IS - now that would be interesting.

Probably the same Hybrid IS as in some other cameras, not new.

Hybrid IS is a lens feature (found in several of Canon's macro lenses), nothing to do with the camera body.
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Re: Canon EOS M50, More Images and Specifications
« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2018, 11:19:55 AM »

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Re: Canon EOS M50, More Images and Specifications
« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2018, 11:25:13 AM »
Hybrid IS is a lens feature (found in several of Canon's macro lenses), nothing to do with the camera body.

True, brain fart from my part. Edited. I was actually thinking of the combined use of lens and electronic IS familiar from DIGIC7 bodies but seems this is a new thing that also benefits stills, not just video.

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Re: Canon EOS M50, More Images and Specifications
« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2018, 11:28:33 AM »
Can someone explain does 4K 25P/24P mean that’s the only frame rate options? I’d be a little disappointed if it doesn’t have 30P

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Re: Canon EOS M50, More Images and Specifications
« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2018, 11:28:33 AM »