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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2018, 04:53:40 AM »
just seen the uk price £499!!!!!!!  :-[ :'( might as well get the 600rt2

Wait till you see the price of the:-

Canon 600-EX-RT II AB!!!

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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2018, 04:53:40 AM »

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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2018, 05:33:43 AM »
"EOS cameras sold up until June 2014, as well as EOS Rebel T7, EOS Rebel T6, EOS M6, EOS M5 and EOS M3, do not support AI.B full-auto."
(Source: https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/explore/speedlite-470ex-ai)

Which excludes the 1DX, 5DIII, 6D, 7D, 70D from the new functionality... :/

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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2018, 06:12:37 AM »
"EOS cameras sold up until June 2014, as well as EOS Rebel T7, EOS Rebel T6, EOS M6, EOS M5 and EOS M3, do not support AI.B full-auto."
(Source: https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/explore/speedlite-470ex-ai)

Which excludes the 1DX, 5DIII, 6D, 7D, 70D from the new functionality... :/

Not surprised by those. However, I am a bit surprised about the M5 and M6. Possibly a PowerShot firmware thing?

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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2018, 06:48:38 AM »
"EOS cameras sold up until June 2014, as well as EOS Rebel T7, EOS Rebel T6, EOS M6, EOS M5 and EOS M3, do not support AI.B full-auto."
(Source: https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/explore/speedlite-470ex-ai)

Which excludes the 1DX, 5DIII, 6D, 7D, 70D from the new functionality... :/

So, here's a new flash designed to make it easier for beginners to use a flash, and here's new entry-level Rebel.  But they won't work together.  I'm with AvTvM on this one...stupid Canon.
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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2018, 07:44:27 AM »
So this is really cool how it moves itself but it's a little puzzling there isn't RT. I get that its meant to be attached to the camera so it would be handy if it could be master to off camera flashes.

Probably to keep the price down and because this is aimed at beginner flash users and at situations where you simply don't or can't have off-camera flashes set up. For candid event photography this actually seems really useful.

Not a cost issue. Radio triggering / control has been ubiquitous absolutely everywhere for years already in third party flashes (camera manufacturers have been particularly slow on that one) and costs next to nothing.

It's just segmentation, Canon-style.

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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2018, 11:09:53 AM »
"EOS cameras sold up until June 2014, as well as EOS Rebel T7, EOS Rebel T6, EOS M6, EOS M5 and EOS M3, do not support AI.B full-auto."
(Source: https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/explore/speedlite-470ex-ai)

Which excludes the 1DX, 5DIII, 6D, 7D, 70D from the new functionality... :/

So, here's a new flash designed to make it easier for beginners to use a flash, and here's new entry-level Rebel.  But they won't work together.  I'm with AvTvM on this one...stupid Canon.

The quote on the webpage says the following:

*As of February 25, 2018. EOS cameras sold up until June 2014, as well as EOS Rebel T7, EOS Rebel T6, EOS M6, EOS M5 and EOS M3, do not support "AI.B full-auto."

I'm betting there will be some firmware updates coming to the older cameras soon. 
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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2018, 11:18:08 AM »
This thing looks remarkable. Only wished Canon finally abandoned the AA batteries for Li-ON ones.
Even uncontacted tribes in the Amazon stock AA batteries. If you want rechargeables get Eneloop AAs.

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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2018, 11:18:08 AM »

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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2018, 12:20:24 PM »
The quote on the webpage says the following:

*As of February 25, 2018. EOS cameras sold up until June 2014, as well as EOS Rebel T7, EOS Rebel T6, EOS M6, EOS M5 and EOS M3, do not support "AI.B full-auto."

I'm betting there will be some firmware updates coming to the older cameras soon.

The T7 isn't an 'older camera' – it was announced right along side the 470 flash. 
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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2018, 01:02:41 PM »
After watching the videos, I am impressed. Even working pros like PJs & wedding/portraiture shooters using it can speed up & improve their flash shooting indoors with this. The AI.B Semi-auto Bounce mode can be used with ALL EOS film & digital SLRs & M-series MILCs. It's just a twist of the flash head and a press of the Angle Set button on the side, then a double-tap of the shutter button. Seriously, folks, watch this vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U52BtwnxiaU
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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2018, 01:30:50 PM »
MRSP in Germany: 499,- €. Price will drop but right now that's equal to the 600EX II-RT street price. Meh!

Seeing the dimensions (74,6 x 130,4 x 105,1 mm, 385 g) beeing much closer to the 600EX II-RT (78,7 x 143,2 x 122,7 mm, 435 g) than to the 430EX III-RT (70,5 x 113,8 x 98,2 mm, 295 g) but the guide no. beeing much closer to the 430 I'd take RT over AI. Of course the AI mechanism needs space and weight, but I prefer either compactness or flash power.

To all those that say "Why not AI+RT?" I'd say I see the AI feature more important to an on-camera-one-flash solution while RT is for a multiple flash setup, where you also need and take more time to set them up properly (and you are more experienced, as well). So I can understand Canon's positioning quite well.

AI feature seems quite interesting, but I often have situations where I have no time for setting all up. It's one try without pre flash for calculation. Otherwise the moment is gone. So not my flash (and money saved ;) ).
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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2018, 01:58:46 PM »
This thing looks remarkable.

+1

I am natural light shooter principally by choice -- I don't shoot much portraiture.  But when my flash comes out, though I get the result I want, my goodness does it take time to dial-in (either manually through iteration, through flash exposure comp, etc.).  I find that process slow and little disconcerting for subjects who don't have the patience to sit still as I fumble around.

For the casual portraiture shooter, family dad shooting the kids/pets indoors, etc. if this works well it could be huge for the enthusiast crowd who are not professional speedlite whisperers.

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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2018, 02:16:19 PM »
But everyone on the interwebs say that Canon does not innovate. Oh, wait... :-D

Anyway, quite interesting concept. Yes, there is till market-segmentation from Canon at its "finest" but hey, this is the first of the many to come. I like my 600 RT anyday, but sometimes in difficult venues, this could speed up some guesswork of test shooting...
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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2018, 02:19:47 PM »
"EOS cameras sold up until June 2014, as well as EOS Rebel T7, EOS Rebel T6, EOS M6, EOS M5 and EOS M3, do not support AI.B full-auto."
(Source: https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/explore/speedlite-470ex-ai)

Which excludes the 1DX, 5DIII, 6D, 7D, 70D from the new functionality... :/

So, here's a new flash designed to make it easier for beginners to use a flash, and here's new entry-level Rebel.  But they won't work together.  I'm with AvTvM on this one...stupid Canon.

Those who buy the cheapest DSLRs are not going to put $400 on a flash. They use the internal one.

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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2018, 02:19:47 PM »

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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2018, 02:20:37 PM »
if this works well

A lot resides in that "if". I'd like to try it (although at €500 for me it's worthless) just to see how intelligent the auto bounce feature is, but given what I've seen it's typically the sort of thing that could work decently well 75% of the time and completely mess up the remaining 25%. In which case the user won't understand why as they won't understand how bounce works.
If Canon wanted to make a beginner friendly flash, the first thing I'd look for would be to design the menus for human beings, not for aliens from the planet Zord, and maybe add a modeling light.
If it weren't for its price, if one wanted to learn flash photography with a speedlite, I'd rather direct them towards the Profoto A1 and a few videos.

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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2018, 02:32:03 PM »
"EOS cameras sold up until June 2014, as well as EOS Rebel T7, EOS Rebel T6, EOS M6, EOS M5 and EOS M3, do not support AI.B full-auto."
(Source: https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/explore/speedlite-470ex-ai)

Which excludes the 1DX, 5DIII, 6D, 7D, 70D from the new functionality... :/

So, here's a new flash designed to make it easier for beginners to use a flash, and here's new entry-level Rebel.  But they won't work together.  I'm with AvTvM on this one...stupid Canon.

Those who buy the cheapest DSLRs are not going to put $400 on a flash. They use the internal one.

I think this may appeal to a lot of folks, but if you're an enthusiast who just stepped up from crop to a 6D1 or 6D2, you now need a flash and I'm guessing that camp of shooters would give this one a serious look.

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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2018, 02:32:03 PM »