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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #45 on: February 27, 2018, 06:49:25 AM »
A guide number 47 flash pales in comparison to 60 (600 series).

Just, one is 47 at 105mm, the other is 60 at 200mm. The power difference may not be that large, I'd really like flashes would use a standard (i.e. at 50mm, as was common the past) to rate their flash power - but to embellish spec sheets marketing departments feel no shame.

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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #45 on: February 27, 2018, 06:49:25 AM »

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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #46 on: February 27, 2018, 06:55:07 AM »
I'm betting there will be some firmware updates coming to the older cameras soon.

Or maybe not. I guess the 5DIII could have been made compatible with the WiFi SD card (it supports EyeFi, after all), but it wasn't.

Semi-auto anyway works. It's marketing reasons, more reasons you have to upgrade your current camera(s), the better for Canon...

I'm  surprised anyway 2015 cameras already support it without firmware updates, it looks it has been in the working for a while.

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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #47 on: February 27, 2018, 07:06:39 AM »
Only wished Canon finally abandoned the AA batteries for Li-ON ones.

Most stupid thing they can do is switch to a custom shape Lithium battery.

I use flash all day five times a week and only use rechargeable AAs and they last a long time. If I run out, I can always buy standard AA available anywhere on the planet.

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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #48 on: February 27, 2018, 08:54:52 AM »
A guide number 47 flash pales in comparison to 60 (600 series).

Just, one is 47 at 105mm, the other is 60 at 200mm. The power difference may not be that large, I'd really like flashes would use a standard (i.e. at 50mm, as was common the past) to rate their flash power - but to embellish spec sheets marketing departments feel no shame.

Exactly, the guide number for the 600EX II RT at 105mm is 54m so the difference is just a third of a stop.
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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #49 on: February 27, 2018, 10:42:25 AM »
Only wished Canon finally abandoned the AA batteries for Li-ON ones.

Most stupid thing they can do is switch to a custom shape Lithium battery.

I use flash all day five times a week and only use rechargeable AAs and they last a long time. If I run out, I can always buy standard AA available anywhere on the planet.

That is certainly convenient. But for a flash like this power and recycling speed is a lot more convenient. Even the best AA batteries cannot hold a fast recycling speed, especially at full power. That is why Li-ON batteries are much much more depended. Imagine what a single LP-E6 could do if it could power a Canon flash! Check Godox for example for reference. Unfortunately their flashes are qualitatively not that great but the recycling speed is remarkable.


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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #50 on: February 27, 2018, 10:47:41 AM »
So who is this for? A beginner who can’t afford a 600, yet can afford this $400 flash, who feels the $200 430EX II-RT is not good enough? Certainly not wedding or event photographers who need lots of power or need RT. Certainly not someone who would rather pay half for their first flash (the 430). So yeah, semi-rich beginners who don’t shoot events. Sounds legit, Canon.

Same thing I asked when I go to Carl's Jr. and Kohls.
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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #51 on: February 27, 2018, 02:31:06 PM »
That is certainly convenient. But for a flash like this power and recycling speed is a lot more convenient. Even the best AA batteries cannot hold a fast recycling speed, especially at full power. That is why Li-ON batteries are much much more depended. Imagine what a single LP-E6 could do if it could power a Canon flash! Check Godox for example for reference. Unfortunately their flashes are qualitatively not that great but the recycling speed is remarkable.

And a few replacements will cost more than the flash, plus the chargers to charge them. If you need fast recycle time, add an external power source. The Godox PB960 is cheap and work with Canon flashes. Quantum battery packs have been trusted for years.

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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #51 on: February 27, 2018, 02:31:06 PM »

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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #52 on: February 27, 2018, 03:34:04 PM »
If you need fast recycle time, add an external power source.

Great idea.  Can you tell us how you'd connect one to the 470EX-AI? 
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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #53 on: February 27, 2018, 03:50:00 PM »
Great idea.  Can you tell us how you'd connect one to the 470EX-AI?

No external power connector? A pity.

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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #54 on: February 27, 2018, 03:53:32 PM »
Tilting/angling mechanism way too slow in the vids I saw.  Other aspects might be great, but once a photographer understands bounce, which takes about ten minutes of trying it, all that's needed is just a quick flick to aim the head at the correct surface for bouncing.

If you think fiddling with flash makes the subject impatient, imagine as they wait for the head to go from landscape to portrait--then back again.  At least you'll catch some happy giggles!  Or impatient glaring filled with character...

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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #55 on: February 27, 2018, 04:07:27 PM »
I'll wait for the Yongnuo version which will be 1/3 of the price.

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Re: Canon Announces the Speedlite 470EX-AI Autobounce
« Reply #56 on: March 18, 2018, 06:48:59 AM »
My old EX-580 refused to work but now, after cleaning the contacts etc. it flashes E-TTL but does not flash as slave.
It's been ages since I used it. This newcomer looks tempting. Would I use it?
Not likely.

It feels risky letting AI inside the house.
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