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snappy604

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Re: Experiences with ON1 Photo RAW 2018?
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2018, 04:06:44 PM »

Still, if every year is a new version that you have to pay for how does that differ from a subscription?  ;)

Jack

To some extent I agree, but on another level... so you get LR + PS, but don't use PS at $10 per month (not sure it's still that low).. that is $120 per year. I might replace something like LR or On1 or Affinity once every 3 or 4 yrs... at $120 per year subscription, that is $360 to $480 for what LR was ($150? I got mine for $80) or On1 pro (which I don't own, but seems to indicate forever upgrades) for $130.....

so $130 for On1 or $150 for standalone LR cost for 3 yrs or via subscription $360 for 3 yrs... I think it's clearly more cost effective not to rent.

For me I also like owning, not renting.. it's a mind-set :)
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Re: Experiences with ON1 Photo RAW 2018?
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2018, 04:06:44 PM »

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Re: Experiences with ON1 Photo RAW 2018?
« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2018, 05:24:08 PM »
Many of us don't really want a rental scenario.  Same when I bought my tanks for welding and it's partly that I'm not a pro and so not involved to the same extent.

And usually an upgrade is fairly reasonable and often more than reasonable if you don't respond initially.  So, I'm with you given that ON1 is actually listening to suggestions and implementing what they can when they can and so far I see reasonable progress.  And perhaps you like supporting a smaller player. ;)

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Re: Experiences with ON1 Photo RAW 2018?
« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2018, 05:40:08 PM »
I was used to paying close to $600 most years for upgrading Adobe applications anyway, so a $50/month subscription didn't seem that bad, even though I was resistant to the subscription idea. I don't use Illustrator as much as I used to, and I hardly ever use InDesign any more since I retired, but I would miss them if I didn't have them when needed/wanted. OTOH, I didn't have Premiere or Audition before, and have used them a bit. I'm doing a project of digitizing 78s of my neighbor singing as a present for her 90th birthday. I'll make CDs for her family when I'm done. I've used Audition for part of that process, along with Amadeus Pro and Audacity. Each has its strengths.

If it gets to where I have trouble affording lunch, I guess I'll drop the Adobe subscription, but probably not before.

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Re: Experiences with ON1 Photo RAW 2018?
« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2018, 05:56:16 PM »
I'm guessing most of us are cost conscious but that doesn't mean we would go for the cheapest if we really need better, so it's always challenging deciding.  I'm inclined to be impulsive about what I think I need and often find I've wasted my money. ;)

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Re: Experiences with ON1 Photo RAW 2018?
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2018, 01:28:30 AM »
I was used to paying close to $600 most years for upgrading Adobe applications anyway, so a $50/month subscription didn't seem that bad, even though I was resistant to the subscription idea. I don't use Illustrator as much as I used to, and I hardly ever use InDesign any more since I retired, but I would miss them if I didn't have them when needed/wanted. OTOH, I didn't have Premiere or Audition before, and have used them a bit. I'm doing a project of digitizing 78s of my neighbor singing as a present for her 90th birthday. I'll make CDs for her family when I'm done. I've used Audition for part of that process, along with Amadeus Pro and Audacity. Each has its strengths.

If it gets to where I have trouble affording lunch, I guess I'll drop the Adobe subscription, but probably not before.

This is pretty much me.  I was buying almost every Adobe upgrade, anyhow so whether I pay $50 or $10 per month, I'm still pretty much ahead.  I still have CS6, and if I wanted to, I could just use that for Illustrator and InDesign, which I don't use a lot of. 

I am definitely in the minority,  but I have a soft spot for CorelDraw over Illustrator (mostly, it's just that I prefer their Bezier mechanism over Adobe's, but there are some minor things like what I think is a superior area select mechanic).

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Re: Experiences with ON1 Photo RAW 2018?
« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2018, 03:09:51 AM »
So far, I LOVE On1 RAW 2018.

I too have been using LR5 for years and do not want to pay Adobe "rent" for the foreseeable future.

I have enjoyed On1 RAW 2018, the extra features it has, like luminosity masks, and layers and such that LR does NOT have are really valuable to me so far.

The only drawback I found at first with first release of 2018 version...was not having quite the import ease of LR, with being able to set meta data, have it move off my card to main working drive and backup drive, and rename, etc.

HOWEVER, it appears the just released (today?) new version of On 1 RAW 2018.1 version, will address a LOT of those last concerns.

I've not had a chance to do the free update, but if it does as advertised, I think it will end all questions of me maybe buying LR6 before it disappears....and I may just go full on with On1 RAW.

Here's the import features the latest .1 version offers:

https://www.on1.com/products/photo-raw/

Scroll down and see the first video about "Import"....this looks like it will do what I need for LR replacement.

I do need to look a bit more into how On! differentiates between regular folders and "cataloged" folders...which I think the latter offer the same database type access that LR offers.

The thing is, with On1 RAW...you have a choice if you want things database'd or not.....

If this works, it could for me solve any complaints I have had.

As soon as I get the 2018.1 update and have time to play with it, I'll try to remember to come back here and update this thread with my findings.

If you're doing the free trial, you might see if you can update to the .1 trial version....it looks at this point as if this .1 version might be the 'great equalizer'.

cayenne
Is it reasonably easy to make the colours look realistic and natural with ON1 Raw? With Lightroom the colours in the RAW file always look pale and bleached compared to the JPEG that the camera produces. Is there an easy way of telling ON1 Raw to make the colours match those in the JPEG or does it involve spending hours adjusting each colour independently as with Lightroom?

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Re: Experiences with ON1 Photo RAW 2018?
« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2018, 07:31:10 AM »
Is it reasonably easy to make the colours look realistic and natural with ON1 Raw? With Lightroom the colours in the RAW file always look pale and bleached compared to the JPEG that the camera produces. Is there an easy way of telling ON1 Raw to make the colours match those in the JPEG or does it involve spending hours adjusting each colour independently as with Lightroom?
To get Lightroom to produce colours similar to the jpeg you need to change the camera profile it uses. In the latest version of classic 7.3 this is in the basic panel. In previous versions it is hidden in the calibration panel I think. You can change the profile to one specific to your camera, set up a preset which you can use each time you import to Lightroom.

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Re: Experiences with ON1 Photo RAW 2018?
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Re: Experiences with ON1 Photo RAW 2018?
« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2018, 10:39:02 AM »
I am definitely in the minority,  but I have a soft spot for CorelDraw over Illustrator (mostly, it's just that I prefer their Bezier mechanism over Adobe's, but there are some minor things like what I think is a superior area select mechanic).

I much preferred the interface in Freehand to Illustrator of the same vintage. With the latter it seemed I was always having to spend time figuring out which of seven versions of the same tool was needed to do what I was trying to accomplish. When I would choose the wrong one, I would usually get a message on the screen explaining why I couldn't do that, and that I should pick another tool. Sometimes it would tell me which one. That annoyed me. If the program knew what I was trying to do, why didn't it just doing rather than giving me a lecture?

Freehand seemed to read my mind. There weren't so many flavors of tools, and I'd pick one and try to do something, and usually it would do it, whether it made sense of not to a purist.

I've got more used to Illustrator now, and maybe they have made it less user hostile.

And then there was the time when the leader of the Illustrator team said everyone should switch to Windows because their new Mac version of Illustrator was pretty bad. I decided it was just easier and cheaper to skip that version.

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Re: Experiences with ON1 Photo RAW 2018?
« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2018, 08:11:32 AM »
Therefore I would like to know if anyone has used ON1 Photo RAW 2018 to such an extend that he or she can tell something about its usefulness and limitations.

Thanks in advance!
 :)

I've been using ON1 PR 2018 for several months and absolutely love it. It's not quite to the point to where I'm willing to give up the LightRoom Classic Subscription yet. I'm more often going from Lightroom to ON1 instead of Photoshop a lot more now and love the capability ON1 has in effects, masking, layers etc.

I could for all means actually get by with just using ON1 as a stand alone editor only but am waiting for certain fixes and improvements in ON1 before making a final decision to actually cancel my LightRoom subscription. I paid for the Pro Version and will get the Fall 2018 upgraded and improved next version free so I'll make a decision then if that Version has the upgrades/fixes I am looking for.

Anthony Morganti started a free Youtube ON1 Photo Raw 2018 Tutorial that is really great and shows what ON1 is capable of and how to use it in an easy understandable way, I would recommend checking his Video's out.

Mastering On1 Photo RAW 2018
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Re: Experiences with ON1 Photo RAW 2018?
« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2018, 09:51:36 AM »
Therefore I would like to know if anyone has used ON1 Photo RAW 2018 to such an extend that he or she can tell something about its usefulness and limitations.

Thanks in advance!
 :)

I've been using ON1 PR 2018 for several months and absolutely love it. It's not quite to the point to where I'm willing to give up the LightRoom Classic Subscription yet. I'm more often going from Lightroom to ON1 instead of Photoshop a lot more now and love the capability ON1 has in effects, masking, layers etc.

I could for all means actually get by with just using ON1 as a stand alone editor only but am waiting for certain fixes and improvements in ON1 before making a final decision to actually cancel my LightRoom subscription. I paid for the Pro Version and will get the Fall 2018 upgraded and improved next version free so I'll make a decision then if that Version has the upgrades/fixes I am looking for.

Anthony Morganti started a free Youtube ON1 Photo Raw 2018 Tutorial that is really great and shows what ON1 is capable of and how to use it in an easy understandable way, I would recommend checking his Video's out.

Mastering On1 Photo RAW 2018
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLllFqBuTM0WK6GWAbIngdllQ0C6PVDPIQ

I'm using ON1 RAW myself....I opted for it, rather than getting LR6 which was the last non-subscription version.
What features are you looking for with regards to dropping LR?

Just curious...

TIA,

cayenne

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Re: Experiences with ON1 Photo RAW 2018?
« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2018, 11:30:33 AM »
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I'm using ON1 RAW myself....I opted for it, rather than getting LR6 which was the last non-subscription version.
What features are you looking for with regards to dropping LR?

Just curious...

TIA,

cayenne

Hi, I would like to see ON1 have a better import and organization system but for the most part I'm just waiting on them to fix a few bug issues especially with effects, masking, and layers which is causing some major slow downs in processing.

I've also had a few issues with ON1 sidecar files and also with some heavily processed photos looking different after exporting to my desktop as Jpegs.

All in all ON1's a great program and I'm just being a bit nit-picky as Lightroom has it's quirks too. (I'm also having a hard time weaning myself away from LightRoom)

I actually don't use photoshop all that much but with ON1 I find myself masking and using layers more often because of it's simplicity.....

Jumping back and forth from Lightroom and ON1 is getting old though and I'll probably end up using ON1 as a stand alone editor later this year when they release there next version....
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Re: Experiences with ON1 Photo RAW 2018?
« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2018, 02:34:34 PM »
good to read some of the comments here. I'm always looking at alternatives.. thought Affinity photo might work for me, but it's really a photoshop alternative, not an LR alternative.

I find its too complicated for volume processing which is what I want to do (really I'm just too lazy to research all it's capabilities, it's a good product).

thanks for the comments, I always value individual comments over a reviewer's as sometimes they sometimes appear to be always 'this is great great great' about every product. I imagine it gets them something, but it doesn't help me :)

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Re: Experiences with ON1 Photo RAW 2018?
« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2018, 12:25:15 PM »
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I'm using ON1 RAW myself....I opted for it, rather than getting LR6 which was the last non-subscription version.
What features are you looking for with regards to dropping LR?

Just curious...

TIA,

cayenne

Hi, I would like to see ON1 have a better import and organization system but for the most part I'm just waiting on them to fix a few bug issues especially with effects, masking, and layers which is causing some major slow downs in processing.

I've also had a few issues with ON1 sidecar files and also with some heavily processed photos looking different after exporting to my desktop as Jpegs.

All in all ON1's a great program and I'm just being a bit nit-picky as Lightroom has it's quirks too. (I'm also having a hard time weaning myself away from LightRoom)

I actually don't use photoshop all that much but with ON1 I find myself masking and using layers more often because of it's simplicity.....

Jumping back and forth from Lightroom and ON1 is getting old though and I'll probably end up using ON1 as a stand alone editor later this year when they release there next version....

Do you have the latest 2018.1 update?

They did do a lot of work on the import process....I watched the videos and then have been trying it and is pretty nice, I can now do many of the things I did in LR....I import from card, and also rename and send copies to backup NAS drive, key word...etc.

I set up Presets for this and I gotta say, its just about what I was doing with LR.

If you don't have the latest version, do an update, and then look at the On1 RAW latest videos that show importing and organizing....pretty cool stuff!!

HTH,

cayenne

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Re: Experiences with ON1 Photo RAW 2018?
« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2018, 12:25:15 PM »

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Re: Experiences with ON1 Photo RAW 2018?
« Reply #28 on: April 21, 2018, 12:46:58 PM »
Quote
I'm using ON1 RAW myself....I opted for it, rather than getting LR6 which was the last non-subscription version.
What features are you looking for with regards to dropping LR?

Just curious...

TIA,

cayenne

Hi, I would like to see ON1 have a better import and organization system but for the most part I'm just waiting on them to fix a few bug issues especially with effects, masking, and layers which is causing some major slow downs in processing.

I've also had a few issues with ON1 sidecar files and also with some heavily processed photos looking different after exporting to my desktop as Jpegs.

All in all ON1's a great program and I'm just being a bit nit-picky as Lightroom has it's quirks too. (I'm also having a hard time weaning myself away from LightRoom)

I actually don't use photoshop all that much but with ON1 I find myself masking and using layers more often because of it's simplicity.....

Jumping back and forth from Lightroom and ON1 is getting old though and I'll probably end up using ON1 as a stand alone editor later this year when they release there next version....

Do you have the latest 2018.1 update?

They did do a lot of work on the import process....I watched the videos and then have been trying it and is pretty nice, I can now do many of the things I did in LR....I import from card, and also rename and send copies to backup NAS drive, key word...etc.

I set up Presets for this and I gotta say, its just about what I was doing with LR.

If you don't have the latest version, do an update, and then look at the On1 RAW latest videos that show importing and organizing....pretty cool stuff!!

HTH,

cayenne

I've got the latest version with the latest updates. It's an awesome program and will most likely replace Lightroom and Photoshop for me.

Once you get more in to it and start using a lot of effects, masking, and layers, you'll see why I'm a bit hesitant to jump ship with Adobe.....ON1 still needs to work a few bugs out and do some fixes. They are suppose to have a pretty thorough repair patch and possibly some additions in June I believe....I'm patiently waiting.

I'm actually using ON1 right now for most of my image processing......
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Re: Experiences with ON1 Photo RAW 2018?
« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2018, 09:54:50 AM »
Quote
I'm using ON1 RAW myself....I opted for it, rather than getting LR6 which was the last non-subscription version.
What features are you looking for with regards to dropping LR?

Just curious...

TIA,

cayenne

Hi, I would like to see ON1 have a better import and organization system but for the most part I'm just waiting on them to fix a few bug issues especially with effects, masking, and layers which is causing some major slow downs in processing.

I've also had a few issues with ON1 sidecar files and also with some heavily processed photos looking different after exporting to my desktop as Jpegs.

All in all ON1's a great program and I'm just being a bit nit-picky as Lightroom has it's quirks too. (I'm also having a hard time weaning myself away from LightRoom)

I actually don't use photoshop all that much but with ON1 I find myself masking and using layers more often because of it's simplicity.....

Jumping back and forth from Lightroom and ON1 is getting old though and I'll probably end up using ON1 as a stand alone editor later this year when they release there next version....

Do you have the latest 2018.1 update?

They did do a lot of work on the import process....I watched the videos and then have been trying it and is pretty nice, I can now do many of the things I did in LR....I import from card, and also rename and send copies to backup NAS drive, key word...etc.

I set up Presets for this and I gotta say, its just about what I was doing with LR.

If you don't have the latest version, do an update, and then look at the On1 RAW latest videos that show importing and organizing....pretty cool stuff!!

HTH,

cayenne

I've got the latest version with the latest updates. It's an awesome program and will most likely replace Lightroom and Photoshop for me.

Once you get more in to it and start using a lot of effects, masking, and layers, you'll see why I'm a bit hesitant to jump ship with Adobe.....ON1 still needs to work a few bugs out and do some fixes. They are suppose to have a pretty thorough repair patch and possibly some additions in June I believe....I'm patiently waiting.

I'm actually using ON1 right now for most of my image processing......

I find my main problem for now is, I seem to overdo things a bit more than I do in LR for some reason.

I'm not entirely sure why, but I seem to....and once I develop things, and step away, I come back and have to back off things a good bit.

Maybe it is just getting used to new software....

C

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Re: Experiences with ON1 Photo RAW 2018?
« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2018, 09:54:50 AM »