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Re: Review: Canon EOS M50 by Cinema5D
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2018, 11:32:47 AM »
Cropping a 11mm lens meant for a 35mm camera to make the crop work on a Canon is not nearly as appealing as GX85 with the Panasonic 12mm F1.4.

The EF-M 11-22MM is a native EOS-M lens. Look it up. It's also 1/3 the price of the Panasonic lens you mention.

I think a cheap 4K EOS-M can be useful as a crash cam or second/third/fourth cam. There are other options, but they either have lower quality, or cost a lot more.

The Panasonic lens F2.8 throughout, not 4-5.6 that is in . The EOS M50 doesn't compare to the GX85 for a small affordable 4K camera, the GX85 can be had with the combo kit 12-30 F4-5.6 and 45-150mm from B&H for 300 dollars less than the EOS M50 body only. Even then, the sensor crop in 4K on the EOS M50 is much tighter than the micro 4/3 sensor.

If the M50 didn't have the crop, it would be perfect. The Sigma 18-35 1.8 and uncropped(or very mild crop) 4K would make this a game changer.

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Re: Review: Canon EOS M50 by Cinema5D
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2018, 11:32:47 AM »

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Re: Review: Canon EOS M50 by Cinema5D
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2018, 06:30:25 PM »
No one would think or expect Canon would put a very good 4K in a non top tier camera, ofcourse its an afterthought.
But a good one at that, its Canon's way of telling other brands AND the buyers that 4K(much more useful 4K) is coming
whether on the top of the line mirrorless(hello M5 Mk2) or other DSLR in the future.
I would call that non DPAF 4k a horseshit, I would assume its not impossible with Digic 8.

...likely just a marketing decision to protect the 5D IV, etc.

You're kidding, right? ;D

Nope- I’m not kidding. See below quote:

With the EOS 5D Mark IV, we do offer 4K video and Dual Pixel CMOS autofocus, so technically it is feasible. But given the position of the M50 in the lineup, we can’t include all of the features available in a product like the 5D IV. Given the position of the product, we wanted to achieve the optimal balance [of features] in a camera in that range. We’ve optimized the M50 as best we can [for its market position], and within those parameters, the combination of 4K video and Dual Pixel CMOS autofocus was not possible.

Read more: http://www.canonrumors.com/dpreview-interview-with-canon-execs-increased-competition-allows-us-to-level-up/#ixzz5AEilNcNY

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Re: Review: Canon EOS M50 by Cinema5D
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2018, 06:37:06 PM »
No one would think or expect Canon would put a very good 4K in a non top tier camera, ofcourse its an afterthought.
But a good one at that, its Canon's way of telling other brands AND the buyers that 4K(much more useful 4K) is coming
whether on the top of the line mirrorless(hello M5 Mk2) or other DSLR in the future.
I would call that non DPAF 4k a horseshit, I would assume its not impossible with Digic 8.

Yes, agreed- it can’t be a technical hurdle, likely just a marketing decision to protect the 5D IV, etc. Why would they develop a new processor that can’t implement their best feature, DPAF, in 4K.

It CAN be a technical hurdle - maybe not with the Digic 8 but with the sensor. And if it is just a problem of thermal management.

About 4k and my use of video: I would be happy to manage just small videos for teaching (physics, math) but I see (1) that it is alot of work to do good composition and lighting and (2) that this would be enough for my purposes in 640x480. So I see a very good HD video quality as "heaven" for my purposes and if a filmmaker has a good story Full HD is all what he/she needs.

I am very interested in that camera because I have some EF lenses and a set of older FD lenses like 1.4 50, 1.8 85, 2.5 135 and 3.5 50 macro which deliver good IQ on the EOS M classic but will be much more usable on the M50 with its EVF + flippy screen.

Well, if that’s true, it would be very surprising that after all these years, Canon can’t solve the best management issue. They are an extremely conservative company, however, so this is not outside the realm of possibility. Still, I believe this has more to do with marketing and protecting their higher end line up.

Sounds like this might be the camera for you so by all means, buy it and enjoy!

Maybe it a combination of different reasons: If you want to make a small camera with flippy screen thermal management is not that easy. If you make a 7D-emulation in mirrorless you have a beafier body made from metal which might act as heat spreader. In that case physics protects the mid/high end systems from the low end systems!

Thanks for the wishes - I was several times shortly before pulling the trigger for a 2nd SL2 but - now my 2nd camera might be the M50. Just waiting for a link via the digital picture to thank Brian for his good site for buying lenses (and not buying lenses which aren't better than the solutions I have).

So, as we can see, it’s not a technical hurdle but a cost / marketing decision as suspected:

“The cost required to introduce [features like 4K] into cameras dictates the kind of features that we can introduce [in products of different classes]. 4K is important to offer in all market segments, and in the M50 we’ve achieved 4K at 25 fps, and that’s the best we can do at this time. We can’t introduce all of the features [in an entry-level camera] that we could in a higher-end model. Another point is that consumption of 4K footage in terms of devices to view 4K video – the penetration of those devices in the market, and their adoption, was a little faster than we expected.”

http://www.canonrumors.com/dpreview-interview-with-canon-execs-increased-competition-allows-us-to-level-up/

Still, hope you enjoy the camera if it fits your needs.

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Re: Review: Canon EOS M50 by Cinema5D
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2018, 08:54:47 PM »
No one would think or expect Canon would put a very good 4K in a non top tier camera, ofcourse its an afterthought.
But a good one at that, its Canon's way of telling other brands AND the buyers that 4K(much more useful 4K) is coming
whether on the top of the line mirrorless(hello M5 Mk2) or other DSLR in the future.
I would call that non DPAF 4k a horseshit, I would assume its not impossible with Digic 8.

Yes, agreed- it can’t be a technical hurdle, likely just a marketing decision to protect the 5D IV, etc. Why would they develop a new processor that can’t implement their best feature, DPAF, in 4K.

It CAN be a technical hurdle - maybe not with the Digic 8 but with the sensor. And if it is just a problem of thermal management.

About 4k and my use of video: I would be happy to manage just small videos for teaching (physics, math) but I see (1) that it is alot of work to do good composition and lighting and (2) that this would be enough for my purposes in 640x480. So I see a very good HD video quality as "heaven" for my purposes and if a filmmaker has a good story Full HD is all what he/she needs.

I am very interested in that camera because I have some EF lenses and a set of older FD lenses like 1.4 50, 1.8 85, 2.5 135 and 3.5 50 macro which deliver good IQ on the EOS M classic but will be much more usable on the M50 with its EVF + flippy screen.

Well, if that’s true, it would be very surprising that after all these years, Canon can’t solve the best management issue. They are an extremely conservative company, however, so this is not outside the realm of possibility. Still, I believe this has more to do with marketing and protecting their higher end line up.

Sounds like this might be the camera for you so by all means, buy it and enjoy!

Maybe it a combination of different reasons: If you want to make a small camera with flippy screen thermal management is not that easy. If you make a 7D-emulation in mirrorless you have a beafier body made from metal which might act as heat spreader. In that case physics protects the mid/high end systems from the low end systems!

Thanks for the wishes - I was several times shortly before pulling the trigger for a 2nd SL2 but - now my 2nd camera might be the M50. Just waiting for a link via the digital picture to thank Brian for his good site for buying lenses (and not buying lenses which aren't better than the solutions I have).

So, as we can see, it’s not a technical hurdle but a cost / marketing decision as suspected:

“The cost required to introduce [features like 4K] into cameras dictates the kind of features that we can introduce [in products of different classes]. 4K is important to offer in all market segments, and in the M50 we’ve achieved 4K at 25 fps, and that’s the best we can do at this time. We can’t introduce all of the features [in an entry-level camera] that we could in a higher-end model. Another point is that consumption of 4K footage in terms of devices to view 4K video – the penetration of those devices in the market, and their adoption, was a little faster than we expected.”

http://www.canonrumors.com/dpreview-interview-with-canon-execs-increased-competition-allows-us-to-level-up/

Still, hope you enjoy the camera if it fits your needs.

The Canon exec's clear state that cost of more full featured 4k video was one of the primary considerations for not including it in the M50.  For less than $800 USD, this camera can't have all the technical bells and whistles of higher end cameras.

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“The cost required to introduce [features like 4K] into cameras dictates the kind of features that we can introduce [in products of different classes].

I don't doubt that Canon has the capability to produce a much more full featured mirrorless camera, but that wasn't the plan for February, 2018.  They stated they wanted to introduce an entry level camera first and offer mid-range models in the future.
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Re: Review: Canon EOS M50 by Cinema5D
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2018, 01:39:11 AM »
No one would think or expect Canon would put a very good 4K in a non top tier camera, ofcourse its an afterthought.
But a good one at that, its Canon's way of telling other brands AND the buyers that 4K(much more useful 4K) is coming
whether on the top of the line mirrorless(hello M5 Mk2) or other DSLR in the future.
I would call that non DPAF 4k a horseshit, I would assume its not impossible with Digic 8.

Yes, agreed- it can’t be a technical hurdle, likely just a marketing decision to protect the 5D IV, etc. Why would they develop a new processor that can’t implement their best feature, DPAF, in 4K.

It CAN be a technical hurdle - maybe not with the Digic 8 but with the sensor. And if it is just a problem of thermal management.

About 4k and my use of video: I would be happy to manage just small videos for teaching (physics, math) but I see (1) that it is alot of work to do good composition and lighting and (2) that this would be enough for my purposes in 640x480. So I see a very good HD video quality as "heaven" for my purposes and if a filmmaker has a good story Full HD is all what he/she needs.

I am very interested in that camera because I have some EF lenses and a set of older FD lenses like 1.4 50, 1.8 85, 2.5 135 and 3.5 50 macro which deliver good IQ on the EOS M classic but will be much more usable on the M50 with its EVF + flippy screen.

Well, if that’s true, it would be very surprising that after all these years, Canon can’t solve the best management issue. They are an extremely conservative company, however, so this is not outside the realm of possibility. Still, I believe this has more to do with marketing and protecting their higher end line up.

Sounds like this might be the camera for you so by all means, buy it and enjoy!

Maybe it a combination of different reasons: If you want to make a small camera with flippy screen thermal management is not that easy. If you make a 7D-emulation in mirrorless you have a beafier body made from metal which might act as heat spreader. In that case physics protects the mid/high end systems from the low end systems!

Thanks for the wishes - I was several times shortly before pulling the trigger for a 2nd SL2 but - now my 2nd camera might be the M50. Just waiting for a link via the digital picture to thank Brian for his good site for buying lenses (and not buying lenses which aren't better than the solutions I have).

So, as we can see, it’s not a technical hurdle but a cost / marketing decision as suspected:

“The cost required to introduce [features like 4K] into cameras dictates the kind of features that we can introduce [in products of different classes]. 4K is important to offer in all market segments, and in the M50 we’ve achieved 4K at 25 fps, and that’s the best we can do at this time. We can’t introduce all of the features [in an entry-level camera] that we could in a higher-end model. Another point is that consumption of 4K footage in terms of devices to view 4K video – the penetration of those devices in the market, and their adoption, was a little faster than we expected.”

http://www.canonrumors.com/dpreview-interview-with-canon-execs-increased-competition-allows-us-to-level-up/

Still, hope you enjoy the camera if it fits your needs.

Everything is a marketing decision.  Sony A7III is seriously crippled because Sony has proven than they can put a zillion AF points as well as close to unlimited buffer.  Oh, and they could have put smartphone functions, and TV broadcast on their cameras too.  If there is a market for it, I am sure they would have offered it. 

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Re: Review: Canon EOS M50 by Cinema5D
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2018, 01:39:11 AM »