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Re: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS Development Continues [CR2]
« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2018, 09:46:53 PM »
Every time I use my Sigma 17-50mm 2.8 OS on my 70D, the need for a 24-70 2.8 IS in my 5D kit becomes apparent. But why offer the perfect lens when can sell 3 slightly compromised lenses with the 24-70 2.8 having great glass, 24-70 f/4 IS having good glass and IS and 24-105 f/4 IS having longer reach. Tamron is close but zooms the wrong way. Sigma is almost close.

I'm always surprised by this attitude. I should qualify this by stating that I don't shoot fast action very often. Is it annoying? Certainly. Is it a deal-breaker? Certainly not. Of course, YMMV.
Every time I use my Sigma 17-50mm 2.8 OS on my 70D, the need for a 24-70 2.8 IS in my 5D kit becomes apparent. But why offer the perfect lens when can sell 3 slightly compromised lenses with the 24-70 2.8 having great glass, 24-70 f/4 IS having good glass and IS and 24-105 f/4 IS having longer reach. Tamron is close but zooms the wrong way. Sigma is almost close.

I'm always surprised by this attitude. I should qualify this by stating that I don't shoot fast action very often. Is it annoying? Certainly. Is it a deal-breaker? Certainly not. Of course, YMMV.

I made this statement after shooting a dodsled race with 70-200 @f/8 1/1000 ISO 400 (thin cloud layer), which doesn't need IS at all. Looking at the images, I wish I had the 24-70, since it would have given me a wider FOV with a bit of the Alaska Range in the background. (Snow was deep, so I couldn't add FOV with my feet.) Wouldn't need IS or f/2.8 for this but then there was my daughter's performance last week that a 24-70 f/2.8 IS would have been very useful. In the UWA lens segment, I opted for the Tamron 15-30 over the Canon 16-35 because of IS. The Tamron will easily flair and I'm always turning it the wrong direction. So, my choices to make are real and based on need and usage. A Canon 24-70 f/2.8 IS would be an instant buy for me.

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Re: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS Development Continues [CR2]
« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2018, 09:46:53 PM »

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Re: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS Development Continues [CR2]
« Reply #31 on: March 12, 2018, 10:05:41 PM »
If the optical performance is significantly better, and it focuses closer, I'd consider it, but the IS part would find limited use, my subjects tend to move.

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Re: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS Development Continues [CR2]
« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2018, 12:41:43 AM »
If the optical performance is significantly better, and it focuses closer, I'd consider it, but the IS part would find limited use, my subjects tend to move.

A lot of it has to do with your "next lens" in that focal range, for whatever reason.  I mean, if you had to buy a 70-200/2.8, the chances of buying a non-IS new is pretty slim.  The IS is still nice to have to compensate for my own movements.

The price will slowly narrow, and at some point, the IS will be nice for a new purchase, and the non-IS will be wonderfully less expensive, with some great deals used.

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Re: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS Development Continues [CR2]
« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2018, 02:26:31 AM »
Just release the damn thing already so I can buy it. Tamron & Sigma have it already. Does Canon have to wait for Sony and Nikon to bring out theirs?

Nikon already have one.

I’d upgrade to this in a heartbeat. Bring it on. Surprised it’s taken them this long.
Awesome to know Nikon has one already. I want to sell my 24-70/2.8 without IS for a 24-70/2.8 with IS.

And I think Sony's 24-70 already has IS on the lens and image sensor.
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Re: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS Development Continues [CR2]
« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2018, 02:30:01 AM »
Nikon 24-70 2.8 VR is no where as good as their non VR lens. Even Sigmas 24-70 OS is not as good as Canons L non IS lens. So is the compromise of reduced IQ worth to photographers over non IS lens with better IQ?

It's not certain that a Canon version of the lens would have worse IQ. Adding IS doesn't always make a lens worse in that department. The 70-200 f/2.8 has IS and it's spectacular.

The 70-200/2.8L IS II is excellent, true.  But when the original 70-200/2.8L IS came out, its IQ was not quite as good as the non-IS version of the lens.

it just proves that IS in a lens does not CAUSE an IQ hit ... or only *if poorly implemented* ...

Canon EF 70-200 4 L IS walks circles around the non-IS version in IQ as well ... and IS version is not even (really) larger or heavier either ... just a lot more expensive (as a consequence of too many stupid buyers willing to pay almost any premium).

The faster the lens, the more difficult it is to implement IS.

There is a separate question about what the use cases are where IS is important.  The 24-70mm f/2.8L is one of the most important lenses for event and press photographers.  Most of them shoot subjects which are moving (at least slowly) which generally requires shutter speeds fast enough to make IS relatively unimportant.  A 70-200mm lens is also very important for these photographers, but there the need for IS is fairly obvious, as there is often a need to shoot at or just under 1/100s.

I think a lot of photographers would not replace a 24-70 f/2.8 non-IS lens with one that has IS, quite simply because IS is not that critical at those focal lengths.  When in the market for a new lens, however, having IS would do no harm, provided IQ is not impacted.
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Re: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS Development Continues [CR2]
« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2018, 03:37:47 AM »
Just release the damn thing already so I can buy it. Tamron & Sigma have it already. Does Canon have to wait for Sony and Nikon to bring out theirs?

Nikon already have one.

I’d upgrade to this in a heartbeat. Bring it on. Surprised it’s taken them this long.
Awesome to know Nikon has one already. I want to sell my 24-70/2.8 without IS for a 24-70/2.8 with IS.

And I think Sony's 24-70 already has IS on the lens and image sensor.

The Nikon 24-70/2.8 VR is inferior optically to the non image stabilized version.  In addition, it's huge at 155mm at 1070g.  To put it in perspective, in comparison, the Canon 24-70 is 113mm and 807g. 

The Sony does not have optical stabilization and it is 136mm and 886g, but that's just like every other Sony pro lens - what they took out of the camera body in flange in the body, they add back in the lens.

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Re: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS Development Continues [CR2]
« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2018, 07:06:27 AM »
Nikon 24-70 2.8 VR is no where as good as their non VR lens. Even Sigmas 24-70 OS is not as good as Canons L non IS lens. So is the compromise of reduced IQ worth to photographers over non IS lens with better IQ?

It's not certain that a Canon version of the lens would have worse IQ. Adding IS doesn't always make a lens worse in that department. The 70-200 f/2.8 has IS and it's spectacular.

The 70-200/2.8L IS II is excellent, true.  But when the original 70-200/2.8L IS came out, its IQ was not quite as good as the non-IS version of the lens.

it just proves that IS in a lens does not CAUSE an IQ hit ... or only *if poorly implemented* ...

Canon EF 70-200 4 L IS walks circles around the non-IS version in IQ as well ... and IS version is not even (really) larger or heavier either ... just a lot more expensive (as a consequence of too many stupid buyers willing to pay almost any premium).



The faster the lens, the more difficult it is to implement IS.

There is a separate question about what the use cases are where IS is important.  The 24-70mm f/2.8L is one of the most important lenses for event and press photographers.  Most of them shoot subjects which are moving (at least slowly) which generally requires shutter speeds fast enough to make IS relatively unimportant.  A 70-200mm lens is also very important for these photographers, but there the need for IS is fairly obvious, as there is often a need to shoot at or just under 1/100s.

I think a lot of photographers would not replace a 24-70 f/2.8 non-IS lens with one that has IS, quite simply because IS is not that critical at those focal lengths.  When in the market for a new lens, however, having IS would do no harm, provided IQ is not impacted.

No harm, but an IS version will be more expensive and it may well be heavier.  We can anticipate the whining about the price.  It will be a Canon lens after all.  There is always whining about the price.

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Re: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS Development Continues [CR2]
« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2018, 07:06:27 AM »

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Re: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS Development Continues [CR2]
« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2018, 11:48:07 AM »
No harm, but an IS version will be more expensive and it may well be heavier.  We can anticipate the whining about the price.  It will be a Canon lens after all.  There is always whining about the price.

At least it will not be the price of a Sony lens :P

People complain about the price of everything, Hehe he.

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Re: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS Development Continues [CR2]
« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2018, 05:40:08 PM »
Every time I use my Sigma 17-50mm 2.8 OS on my 70D, the need for a 24-70 2.8 IS in my 5D kit becomes apparent. But why offer the perfect lens when can sell 3 slightly compromised lenses with the 24-70 2.8 having great glass, 24-70 f/4 IS having good glass and IS and 24-105 f/4 IS having longer reach. Tamron is close but zooms the wrong way. Sigma is almost close.

I'm always surprised by this attitude. I should qualify this by stating that I don't shoot fast action very often. Is it annoying? Certainly. Is it a deal-breaker? Certainly not. Of course, YMMV.

I also used to be surprised before I purchased second body and shot event with Canon lens on one body and Tamron on the second one. Mistakes then become much more frequent and I missed quite a few very good shots just because I zoomed other way and that half second to get back was enough to be too late.

Apart from that Tamron has quite few other more severe issues which would make me swap it for Canon IS version instantly.
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Re: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS Development Continues [CR2]
« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2018, 10:13:19 PM »
Nikon 24-70 2.8 VR is no where as good as their non VR lens. Even Sigmas 24-70 OS is not as good as Canons L non IS lens. So is the compromise of reduced IQ worth to photographers over non IS lens with better IQ?

It's not certain that a Canon version of the lens would have worse IQ. Adding IS doesn't always make a lens worse in that department. The 70-200 f/2.8 has IS and it's spectacular.

The 70-200/2.8L IS II is excellent, true.  But when the original 70-200/2.8L IS came out, its IQ was not quite as good as the non-IS version of the lens.

it just proves that IS in a lens does not CAUSE an IQ hit ... or only *if poorly implemented* ...

Canon EF 70-200 4 L IS walks circles around the non-IS version in IQ as well ... and IS version is not even (really) larger or heavier either ... just a lot more expensive (as a consequence of too many stupid buyers willing to pay almost any premium).

The faster the lens, the more difficult it is to implement IS.

I think a lot of photographers would not replace a 24-70 f/2.8 non-IS lens with one that has IS, quite simply because IS is not that critical at those focal lengths.  When in the market for a new lens, however, having IS would do no harm, provided IQ is not impacted.

I agree completely, gmrza. I've been surprised by how often I choose this lens (24-70 f/2.8L II) for portraits. I'm a shade tree photographer, far from being a pro, so this really surprised me. IS would have been a nice feature to have at the time of purchase, but I'm not going to shell out the $$$$ for a new one with IS as long as I have this one. People with deeper pockets, people replacing an old or broken lens, or people just getting into this lens might. Not me.

If a really good 135 f/2L IS hits the stores... I'm probably all in. 24-70 with IS? Not too critical for what I do. I'm sure it will be a fantastic lens though!
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Re: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS Development Continues [CR2]
« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2018, 02:25:50 AM »
IS would have been a nice feature to have at the time of purchase, but I'm not going to shell out the $$$$ for a new one with IS as long as I have this one. People with deeper pockets, people replacing an old or broken lens, or people just getting into this lens might. Not me.

I would only consider one, because I cheaped out on my last 24-70 and bought the f/4 IS :)

I agree with you, though: for the majority of us non-pro's not earning big bucks on that FL, the current 24-70/2.8 is a spectacular lens that produces photos that always impress me.  It's hard to imagine replacing it just to get IS. 

On the other hand, there are lot of new 24-70's sold, and if I were making a decision between IS and no IS, assuming similar IQ, that would probably be an easy choice if the price and size weren't drastically more.

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Re: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS Development Continues [CR2]
« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2018, 03:27:43 PM »
There is a separate question about what the use cases are where IS is important.  The 24-70mm f/2.8L is one of the most important lenses for event and press photographers.  Most of them shoot subjects which are moving (at least slowly) which generally requires shutter speeds fast enough to make IS relatively unimportant.

I think the biggest thing for me though, as a press photog, is versatility. I don't find myself needing IS much at those focal lengths, sure, but if Canon releases this at a price that isn't astronomical, I would probably replace my 24-70.

Nowadays I find myself shooting video pretty often in the line of work, which makes IS a godsend without a tripod. I currently tend to use my 16-35mm f/4L IS for that, but all too often I don't have time to switch lenses, especially at breaking news. On top of video, stabilizing the viewfinder while shooting makes composing easier, even on the ultrawide 16-35.

Although it tends to get cliche if you do it too often, I do find myself attempting wide-angle panning shots with the 24-70, and IS would be a huuuge help for those kinds of shots, as well as the large amount of static scenes you stumble upon on a regular day of assignments.
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Re: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS Development Continues [CR2]
« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2018, 03:48:38 PM »
I'd love to see announcements for older lenses being updated as opposed to perfectly fine recently made workhorses. We all know which focal lengths I'm referring to.
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Re: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS Development Continues [CR2]
« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2018, 04:03:07 PM »
If the optical performance is significantly better, and it focuses closer, I'd consider it, but the IS part would find limited use, my subjects tend to move.

A lot of it has to do with your "next lens" in that focal range, for whatever reason.  I mean, if you had to buy a 70-200/2.8, the chances of buying a non-IS new is pretty slim.  The IS is still nice to have to compensate for my own movements.

The price will slowly narrow, and at some point, the IS will be nice for a new purchase, and the non-IS will be wonderfully less expensive, with some great deals used.

As the focal length gets longer, IS can compensate for my movements, for shorter focal lengths, IS is less important.  Waiting that 1-3 seconds for a image to stabilize can lose a shot as well, subsequent ones are fine, but if the moment has passed, its a hard lesson.

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Re: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS Development Continues [CR2]
« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2018, 05:31:47 PM »
Waiting that 1-3 seconds for a image to stabilize can lose a shot as well, subsequent ones are fine, but if the moment has passed, its a hard lesson.

Isn't this the reason why you can turn the IS off on every Canon lens which have one? On the other hand, you can't turn it on, if it does not have one.  ;)
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