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Re: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS Development Continues [CR2]
« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2018, 06:01:49 PM »
It really doesn't take 1-3 seconds for a lens to stabilise. On my Tamron 24-70 G1 it's about half a second when coming totally out of sleep and on my Canon 70-200 f/4 it's stable in the blink of an eye.

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Re: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS Development Continues [CR2]
« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2018, 06:01:49 PM »

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« Reply #46 on: March 14, 2018, 06:20:24 PM »
Waiting that 1-3 seconds for a image to stabilize can lose a shot as well, subsequent ones are fine, but if the moment has passed, its a hard lesson.

It really doesn't take 1-3 seconds for a lens to stabilise. On my Tamron 24-70 G1 it's about half a second when coming totally out of sleep and on my Canon 70-200 f/4 it's stable in the blink of an eye.

I must be doing something wrong, because I have never had to wait 1-3 seconds for a Canon lens to stabilize. Maybe some very old IS lenses were slow, but that has not been my experience with any recent lenses.

I leave IS on almost all the time and even shooting sports at high shutter speeds with IS on I have never had any problems.

If the optical performance is significantly better, and it focuses closer, I'd consider it, but the IS part would find limited use, my subjects tend to move.

It depends on what you mean by "tend to move." Most humans (and probably a lot of animals) don't move constantly, but pause frequently. I've shot speakers and performers at 1/15 of a second with a telephoto zoom and if you time it right you can catch them when they are sufficiently still to avoid motion blur. Some of the best shots are when you get their face sharp, but their hands are slightly blurred by motion. Those shots would be impossible without IS.

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Re: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS Development Continues [CR2]
« Reply #47 on: April 12, 2018, 07:43:33 AM »
I can't wait for this lens. Canon bring it out already!
I sold my 24-70 F2.8L II to buy a 35L and planned to buy the IS version when it came out - I wish it would hurry up  :P

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Re: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS Development Continues [CR2]
« Reply #48 on: April 19, 2018, 12:56:38 AM »
I can't wait for this lens. Canon bring it out already!
I sold my 24-70 F2.8L II to buy a 35L and planned to buy the IS version when it came out - I wish it would hurry up  :P

It's such a good lens, I decided to go for the 24-70 F2.8L II and not buy the IS lenses in this focal range. I need the fast lens more than F4 with IS. My luck is running out with 3rd party lenses and my refurbished deal price on the 24-70 f2.8L II was to good to pass up:-)

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Re: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS Development Continues [CR2]
« Reply #49 on: April 27, 2018, 01:37:36 AM »
There is a separate question about what the use cases are where IS is important.  The 24-70mm f/2.8L is one of the most important lenses for event and press photographers.  Most of them shoot subjects which are moving (at least slowly) which generally requires shutter speeds fast enough to make IS relatively unimportant.

I think the biggest thing for me though, as a press photog, is versatility. I don't find myself needing IS much at those focal lengths, sure, but if Canon releases this at a price that isn't astronomical, I would probably replace my 24-70.

Nowadays I find myself shooting video pretty often in the line of work, which makes IS a godsend without a tripod. I currently tend to use my 16-35mm f/4L IS for that, but all too often I don't have time to switch lenses, especially at breaking news. On top of video, stabilizing the viewfinder while shooting makes composing easier, even on the ultrawide 16-35.

Although it tends to get cliche if you do it too often, I do find myself attempting wide-angle panning shots with the 24-70, and IS would be a huuuge help for those kinds of shots, as well as the large amount of static scenes you stumble upon on a regular day of assignments.

Yeah, the days of newspaper photojournalists having the luxury of selecting gear based only on still image requirements is long gone. Video for the paper's website is almost a requirement now for every hard news assignment.
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Re: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS Development Continues [CR2]
« Reply #50 on: April 27, 2018, 01:45:56 AM »
Waiting that 1-3 seconds for a image to stabilize can lose a shot as well, subsequent ones are fine, but if the moment has passed, its a hard lesson.

It really doesn't take 1-3 seconds for a lens to stabilise. On my Tamron 24-70 G1 it's about half a second when coming totally out of sleep and on my Canon 70-200 f/4 it's stable in the blink of an eye.

I must be doing something wrong, because I have never had to wait 1-3 seconds for a Canon lens to stabilize. Maybe some very old IS lenses were slow, but that has not been my experience with any recent lenses.

I leave IS on almost all the time and even shooting sports at high shutter speeds with IS on I have never had any problems.

If the optical performance is significantly better, and it focuses closer, I'd consider it, but the IS part would find limited use, my subjects tend to move.

It depends on what you mean by "tend to move." Most humans (and probably a lot of animals) don't move constantly, but pause frequently. I've shot speakers and performers at 1/15 of a second with a telephoto zoom and if you time it right you can catch them when they are sufficiently still to avoid motion blur. Some of the best shots are when you get their face sharp, but their hands are slightly blurred by motion. Those shots would be impossible without IS.

The original EF 70-200mm f/2.8 IS released in 2001 took about 2 seconds to spool up from rest. The newer IS lenses from Canon are much, much faster in that respect.

Timing performers (singers, dancers, etc.) at that precise moment when they stop going up and start coming back down is becoming a lost art. With insanely high usable ISO and 10-12-14 fps, too many younger photographers just machine gun it and pick which frame they like the best after it's all said and done.
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Re: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS Development Continues [CR2]
« Reply #51 on: April 27, 2018, 03:23:09 AM »
Back in ancient times we aimed for “the peak of the action,” when the subjects are still. The odds of hitting that on the nose in a burst of 6 to 10 shots in a second seem pretty slim.

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« Reply #51 on: April 27, 2018, 03:23:09 AM »

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Re: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS Development Continues [CR2]
« Reply #52 on: April 27, 2018, 01:55:12 PM »
The 70-200/2.8L IS II is excellent, true.  But when the original 70-200/2.8L IS came out, its IQ was not quite as good as the non-IS version of the lens.
True that. But now you're ruined it all for me. :-( I was kind of hoping but now since you brought this quite logical argument you took it all from me.

Just release the damn thing already so I can buy it. Tamron & Sigma have it already. Does Canon have to wait for Sony and Nikon to bring out theirs?
Either this or the regular one which I don't possess even though when I think about it it will be still the same price as it is today because most probably the stabilized version would be at least $300 more.

If the optical performance is significantly better, and it focuses closer, I'd consider it...
What do you mean? If it is 24-70 it can't be 24-85 or you mean something else?

The price will slowly narrow, and at some point, the IS will be nice for a new purchase, and the non-IS will be wonderfully less expensive, with some great deals used.
Not a chance after release it will be at least $300 North the price of the current model and it will stay that way for the next four years. That is from the official resellers. The gray market would shorten that price gap in about two years maybe.

Back in ancient times we aimed for “the peak of the action,” when the subjects are still. The odds of hitting that on the nose in a burst of 6 to 10 shots in a second seem pretty slim.
So it is indeed. These days what I enjoy most of the future features is cropping without damaging the image. The best new lenses combined with very good bodies like 5D4 and 5Ds I have always the freedom to make 2 or 3 totally different photos of one raw shot. Taking it back 10-15 years ago that wasn't possible at all.
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Re: Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS Development Continues [CR2]
« Reply #52 on: April 27, 2018, 01:55:12 PM »