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Re: The Zhiyun Crane 2 motorized gimbal capabilitywith Canon cameras
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2018, 06:09:50 PM »
thanks.. looks heavy on its own, let alone with an SLR and lens.

was trying to figure out the differences between the v2 and the crane 2 with canon focus follow (which you linked). v2 seems like handheld only ... crane 2 seemed to have tripod... what is focus follow? does it try to keep subject selected in focus as you move? or can it track an object by moving gimballs if you leave on ground (is it stable enough?)

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« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2018, 06:09:50 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2018, 06:15:08 PM »
DPAF (built in by Canon) will give you a reasonable level of focus following a subject. The focus wheel on the Crane 2 I really haven't used yet. I'm not sure how valuable it actually is. It just acts like the focus ring on a lens.
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Re: The Zhiyun Crane 2 motorized gimbal capabilitywith Canon cameras
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2018, 06:59:31 PM »
When thinking about weight and bulk what you have to ask yourself is, do I want professional looking video with a 40 lb setup and crew.  This is so portable you can walk down a mountain path while panning without virtually any shake.  I hate video with jerky movements.  The alternative is to set up a tripod.  You can't get the same perspective as half running while you're panning or whatever.  On the other hand I don't fancy walking though a busy tourist store holding this but an historic church would be OK.  You're going to be noticeable for sure but for many situations that's not too problematic.

The focus wheel is very smooth and easy to use however the live view screen is not very large and so manual focus is not something I plan to use much.  Tapping on the screen to establish focus on a different area works so well with Canon and its DPAF and it really sticks if you choose tracking.

For sure you have to eat your wheaties and exercise!

Compromises, compromises.

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Re: The Zhiyun Crane 2 motorized gimbal capabilitywith Canon cameras
« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2018, 02:25:23 AM »
Since I'm new to video editing I was asking for advice on which programs to consider.  I was close to purchasing a CS6 version of Adobe Premier Pro but at over $500 CAD, I was uneasy.  Since I already owned Corel VideoStudeo X9 I had inquired whether an upgrade to X10.5 would give me panning and zoom of 4K.  The uncertain answer appeared to be no and thus I had decided to abandon Corel.

However, in order to double check the upgrade situation I opened X9 and up pops an upgrade offer for $30 to get me the new 2018 Ultimate (quite a few desirable improvements) and upon checking features and reviews I was convinced that the price was low enough to deserve one last kick at the can - like what's $30 compared to $500+.

If anyone's interested check it out:  https://www.videostudiopro.com/en/products/videostudio/ultimate/

I'd be interested in ongoing feedback on the topic since I may still choose something else.

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Re: The Zhiyun Crane 2 motorized gimbal capabilitywith Canon cameras
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2018, 05:49:33 AM »
Since I'm new to video editing I was asking for advice on which programs to consider.  I was close to purchasing a CS6 version of Adobe Premier Pro but at over $500 CAD, I was uneasy.  Since I already owned Corel VideoStudeo X9 I had inquired whether an upgrade to X10.5 would give me panning and zoom of 4K.  The uncertain answer appeared to be no and thus I had decided to abandon Corel.

However, in order to double check the upgrade situation I opened X9 and up pops an upgrade offer for $30 to get me the new 2018 Ultimate (quite a few desirable improvements) and upon checking features and reviews I was convinced that the price was low enough to deserve one last kick at the can - like what's $30 compared to $500+.

If anyone's interested check it out:  https://www.videostudiopro.com/en/products/videostudio/ultimate/

I'd be interested in ongoing feedback on the topic since I may still choose something else.

Jack

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« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2018, 12:20:18 PM »
leGreve, thanks for that vote.  I'm guessing that working for now with Video Studio 2018 is not going to have any/many negative effects on my initial efforts to get into video.  What I liked about my present decision was the fact that I wouldn't be making a serious commitment until I gain more experience.

For reference, as I reentered the realm of photography in the digital era I resisted Photoshop in spite of my friends prodding and illustrations of what he was doing, because I was concentrating on learning shooting techniques, composition and so forth and found DPP to be very adequate for RAW processing.  I now have ON1 RAW and follow the tutorials and so forth but life's business finds me more drawn to shooting when I have the spare time.

Being a bit of a perfectionist my open ended question is, where will I be with video in a year?  Certainly, I'll be a little wiser and in a better position to understand the implications of any pending decisions and for now the Crane 2 has really increased my level of enthusiasm!

For anyone in a position similar to me this Canon video posted by canonnews is exhilarating:

https://youtu.be/xpF_fV4Sm4g  One can always dream! ;)

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« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2018, 02:32:42 PM »
for what it's worth there is a fairly decent free (open source?) video editing tool called Shotcut. No it's not quite as advanced as premiere, but it still does a fair bit... and FREE!

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« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2018, 03:00:07 PM »
If I may speak for you Jack, what Jack really needs the software to do is easily create proxies and allow him to zoom in on 4K video down to HD resolution. Since his computer is older and he doesn't really need to do much professionally with the video.
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« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2018, 04:05:06 PM »
What it boils down to is I presently don't have a clue!  it's always fun looking back, like my first postings on CR where I didn't even know the birds eye "had" to be in focus.  Now I know but just can't do it (consistently)! ;D

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« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2018, 11:20:11 PM »
If you are just trying to get a handle on shooting video, and there is certainly a lot of new skills that we stills shoots have to learn, I’d say shoot in 1080p for a while.  Your life will be vastly simpler. Yes, if you shoot in 4K and then res down your final product will be a bit sharper but so what. That is really a grind if you don’t have the right gear for post production. Shoot in 1080p and most any computer will be fine. The 4K 60p mjpeg from a 1DX II will choke anything short of a workstation if you try and edit it without transcoding or creating proxies. However, the 120 FPS 1080p slow motion on the 1DX Mark II is a lot of fun to shoot on a gimbal  and will give very good results without driving yourself nuts. Just my two cents.

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« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2018, 08:19:18 AM »
If you are just trying to get a handle on shooting video, and there is certainly a lot of new skills that we stills shoots have to learn, I’d say shoot in 1080p for a while.  Your life will be vastly simpler. Yes, if you shoot in 4K and then res down your final product will be a bit sharper but so what. That is really a grind if you don’t have the right gear for post production. Shoot in 1080p and most any computer will be fine. The 4K 60p mjpeg from a 1DX II will choke anything short of a workstation if you try and edit it without transcoding or creating proxies. However, the 120 FPS 1080p slow motion on the 1DX Mark II is a lot of fun to shoot on a gimbal  and will give very good results without driving yourself nuts. Just my two cents.

That's a lot more than 2 cents and very much appreciated.  It's suggestions like this that may seem obvious in due course but are presently valuable.  There is a tendency for a beginner to get caught up in the glitter.

I've mentioned a planned trip to Bella Coola.  It's BC wild rain forest area at its best and not a place too many go.  For a nature lover it'll be amazing (especially Grizzly fishing) and given my age some of these places are not going to see me returning.  2015 was Haida Gwaii and as much as I get goosebumps viewing my photos and sharing, I now feel, given my 1DX2 video capability, that I'd really regret not getting some nice video.

Since zoom isn't possible with the gimbal, post zooming seems very appealing and so at that point I'm guessing somehow I need to acquire 4K footage.  For practice right now I will absolutely follow your advice!

My life was a frugal one and now that it's not quite so critical I can probably afford a new computer - it's almost 10 years on a $1200 purchase so I can't complain ... but there is that desired monitor and ... you know how it goes. ;)

I don't understand folk who are almost antagonistic about our cameras having video capability.  Here I am after an hour climb up a cliff and really soaking up the beauty in 2015.  Now viewing these two shots (that's all I took since the lighting wasn't perfect) and oh, if only I could view a complete 360 degrees.  I shot at 11mm primarily to try to capture the broad view but my hope is that with video I could shoot with the gimbal even up to 200mm.  A bit of re-balancing on the gimbal with lens changes and I'd have a really fine remembrance of that moment. 

Edit: I did take more shots but they were seriously boring and weren't even processed.  Here's one with 600mm and I'm guessing, with some creativity it represents a shot that could be incorporated with wider video  - are there any good books on how to accomplish a good travel video?

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Re: The Zhiyun Crane 2 motorized gimbal capabilitywith Canon cameras
« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2018, 01:02:42 AM »
The Crane 2 is on sale for $650 right now: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1359107-REG/zhiyun_tech_crane_2_3_axis_handheld_stabilizer.html


Even to Canada that would have saved me at least $100

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« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2018, 02:56:19 PM »
Since I'm new to video editing I was asking for advice on which programs to consider.  I was close to purchasing a CS6 version of Adobe Premier Pro but at over $500 CAD, I was uneasy.  Since I already owned Corel VideoStudeo X9 I had inquired whether an upgrade to X10.5 would give me panning and zoom of 4K.  The uncertain answer appeared to be no and thus I had decided to abandon Corel.

However, in order to double check the upgrade situation I opened X9 and up pops an upgrade offer for $30 to get me the new 2018 Ultimate (quite a few desirable improvements) and upon checking features and reviews I was convinced that the price was low enough to deserve one last kick at the can - like what's $30 compared to $500+.

If anyone's interested check it out:  https://www.videostudiopro.com/en/products/videostudio/ultimate/

I'd be interested in ongoing feedback on the topic since I may still choose something else.

Jack

Davinci Resolve.... sure, the learning curve is a bit higher, but it has superior grading tools and by next version it will probably be on par for most users with Premiere Pro in terms of editing.

We hardly use anything else on our TVC productions etc.

Just received this update:

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/ca/products/davinciresolve/

My only concern is how hard it is to learn and if there is support material.

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Re: The Zhiyun Crane 2 motorized gimbal capabilitywith Canon cameras
« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2018, 03:55:42 PM »
Sometimes the love affair quickly fades but I'm pretty certain not with this piece of gear, still pinching myself.

It looks like spring is here at long last.  Out in the backyard of my acreage walking around the pond and creek on grass and snow (still!) and simply loving the gimbal.  For all my bumping and jerking it's so smooth and using the 1DX2 is a pleasure other than needing some more arm strength.  I'll work on that.  The DPAF is such a godsend, I can't imagine folk trying to manual focus as they walk (without tripping).  Working with 200 mm is of course more challenging and will take lots of practice but is feasible.  Today with 24-70 at about 30 it was no sweat.

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