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Talys

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Re: The TIPA and EISA Award Winners Have Been Announced
« Reply #45 on: April 22, 2018, 01:54:35 PM »
If I dropped and broke my 6DII I'd most likely replace it with another 6DII. It's a great camera and for what I do I get fantastic and amazing images with it.

If I was a pro wedding, portrait, or event shooter I'd most likely be using a 5D4 or something else but then again I'd probably not enjoy photography like I do now having to deal with all the people and pressure that type of professional shooting involves. I shoot to relax and to enjoy the images I get with what I see out in nature.

Yes!!  On both counts.

With this recent 6DII award announced and because I am a 6DII user does that make me an expert now? LOL

Of course.  All you need to do to be an expert is to buy stuff.  You see it all the time: someone buys a $300,000 Italian sports car, and they are instantly an expert race car driver, as seen by the way they expertly drive off the road :D

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Re: The TIPA and EISA Award Winners Have Been Announced
« Reply #45 on: April 22, 2018, 01:54:35 PM »

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Re: The TIPA and EISA Award Winners Have Been Announced
« Reply #46 on: April 22, 2018, 05:08:22 PM »
Sure it takes fine photos, but I didn't feel it was enough of an upgrade to make the purchase.

Many people think that camera manufacturers release new models to get people to upgrade. Wrong. The overriding market is an updated model for people lower down the chain to upgrade to - for example APS-C to intro level FF, not 6D to 6DII.
If you want a genuine upgrade go to 5D level.


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I'm hoping Canon's first full frame mirrorless can measure up to the Sony A7III.
What do you mean by 'measure up'? Full feature set - fat chance. A good solid imaging machine - high probability.

Sometimes I feel like I must be crazy or something.

If a camera takes fine pictures, why buy a new camera at all? If a new version takes fine pictures... isn't that the prime requisite of a good camera?

I don't want my camera to do anything OTHER than take fine pictures... I guess I am weird that way.

Alas, those of us like you - who take pics and want a camera that does take good shots and is fun and easy to use - are the small minority on sites like this.

Those that "need" to have the latest tech, or "need" to boast or show off to their friends seem to be in the majority, even if their camera of choice does no better than what Canon offers.  I wonder how many of the Sony lovers have actually used a Sony?  I wonder how many have taken comparison shots with a Sony A7 II and a Canon 6D?  I wonder, frankly, how many Sony lovers even take a lot of photos and actually look at them?  Or if they do, they underexpose 3 or more stops so they can tell their friends, "Look at what my camera can do - it must be better than yours."  If that's what they want, fine, everybody should do what they want and get the camera that they want.  But when people who have never used a 6D II feel so smart and so empowered by just repeating the "internet accepted wisdom" (an oxymoron if there ever was one) they should be challenged.  Unless, of course, you are OK with ignorance being given the same "weight' as an informed opinion.

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Re: The TIPA and EISA Award Winners Have Been Announced
« Reply #47 on: April 22, 2018, 06:34:18 PM »
The 6D II??? You mean the 10 year old tech that upset me so much I bought a wonderful Sony A7R III???

what '10 year old tech'?

Most of the technology in it is much older than ten years. Resistors, capacitors, printed circuits, etc.

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Re: The TIPA and EISA Award Winners Have Been Announced
« Reply #48 on: April 22, 2018, 06:37:55 PM »
[quote author=Talys link=topic=34912.msg718105#msg718105 date=1524419675


Of course.  All you need to do to be an expert is to buy stuff.  You see it all the time: someone buys a $300,000 Italian sports car, and they are instantly an expert race car driver, as seen by the way they expertly drive off the road :D
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Come to think of it, I've never seen anybody buy a $300,000 sports car.

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Re: The TIPA and EISA Award Winners Have Been Announced
« Reply #49 on: April 22, 2018, 07:13:38 PM »
The 6D II??? You mean the 10 year old tech that upset me so much I bought a wonderful Sony A7R III???

what '10 year old tech'?

Most of the technology in it is much older than ten years. Resistors, capacitors, printed circuits, etc.

Don't forget aluminum, plastic and magnesium (rolling my eyes)

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Re: The TIPA and EISA Award Winners Have Been Announced
« Reply #50 on: April 22, 2018, 07:54:47 PM »
The 6D II??? You mean the 10 year old tech that upset me so much I bought a wonderful Sony A7R III???

what '10 year old tech'?

Most of the technology in it is much older than ten years. Resistors, capacitors, printed circuits, etc.

Don't forget aluminum, plastic and magnesium (rolling my eyes)

...diodes, rubber, stainless steel, registers, toggles...

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« Reply #51 on: April 22, 2018, 08:17:22 PM »
The 6D II??? You mean the 10 year old tech that upset me so much I bought a wonderful Sony A7R III???

what '10 year old tech'?

Most of the technology in it is much older than ten years. Resistors, capacitors, printed circuits, etc.

Don't forget aluminum, plastic and magnesium (rolling my eyes)

...diodes, rubber, stainless steel, registers, toggles...

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Re: The TIPA and EISA Award Winners Have Been Announced
« Reply #51 on: April 22, 2018, 08:17:22 PM »

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Re: The TIPA and EISA Award Winners Have Been Announced
« Reply #52 on: April 23, 2018, 08:27:28 AM »
The 6DII is probably a great camera, in its own right. A good tool that is a joy to use. Canons usually are. Where I think Canon went a bit wrong was with the original 6D, giving it better IQ than its bigger brother, the 5D mark III. Now though, they have placed it where it belongs in their lineup, well beneath the 5D IV, but with features that places it at home in this day and age (wifi etc.). It actually seems like a good business decision since they have products in pretty much every single part of the camera market. The world is a little more than black or white. People saying that "we wanted a 5DIV for $2000" don't really get why some were disappointed. And when a lot of people were disappointed (at least on forums, and reviews, both written and youtube etc. they might have a point), but things have been blown out of proportions. Should the 6D II have the award? I don't think so, but then again I don't know what cameras it was up against here. For me low ISO DR is important, and this (otherwise nice) camera coming in at only 0.4 stop better DR than my 2009 550D is, well not good enough. It does tick a lot of other boxes though.

Personally I am starting to look for an upgrade, and was excited when the 6D II was announced, but then again I was disappointed when looking at the low ISO DR. I live in Norway, where we either have S____ weather, or very harsh sunlight, and my trusty old 550D seriously struggles when it comes to DR, hence why DR is important to me (also high ISO is important, and the 6D II is awesome from what I have heard). I keep my cameras for a long time, so want it to be a proper upgrade when I do. Perhaps I´ll wait a year or two and buy a used 5DIV instead, I am not in a hurry. Jumping ship? maybe, but it is a pain.

P.S. Sorry for my bad English :)

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« Reply #53 on: April 23, 2018, 09:20:04 AM »
I live in Norway, where we either have S____ weather, or very harsh sunlight, and my trusty old 550D seriously struggles when it comes to DR, hence why DR is important to me (also high ISO is important, and the 6D II is awesome from what I have heard).

Don't worry about your English - it is fine.

Under the conditions you describe, no camera has the dynamic range to capture the full scene in one shot. And if higher ISOs are important to you, Canon is as good as it gets: the superiority of Nikon/Sony only applies to ISO800 and lower. This is why it is important to understand what you want to shoot and how you will view the images (social media content, all cameras will look the same. Print to 1 meter across and things are rather different).
This is why so much of the internet blather about the 6D2 was more about bandwagons than reality.

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Re: The TIPA and EISA Award Winners Have Been Announced
« Reply #54 on: April 23, 2018, 10:03:22 AM »
I live in Norway, where we either have S____ weather, or very harsh sunlight, and my trusty old 550D seriously struggles when it comes to DR, hence why DR is important to me (also high ISO is important, and the 6D II is awesome from what I have heard).

Don't worry about your English - it is fine.

Under the conditions you describe, no camera has the dynamic range to capture the full scene in one shot. And if higher ISOs are important to you, Canon is as good as it gets: the superiority of Nikon/Sony only applies to ISO800 and lower. This is why it is important to understand what you want to shoot and how you will view the images (social media content, all cameras will look the same. Print to 1 meter across and things are rather different).
This is why so much of the internet blather about the 6D2 was more about bandwagons than reality.

I've been shooting extensively with the 6D2 for 7+ months now, mostly landscapes and stills and can say with certainty that in high dynamic range landscapes shooting at say ISO 100, it will be best in certain situations to bracket the shots if able too. I've shot many 1 shot landscapes and some extreme scenes were noisy in the darkest areas but most were just fine and beautiful. There has been a few times that I just knew I had to bracket and when processing them they looked absolutely amazing with very little to no noise. The 6D2 dynamic range internet hype and bashing is a bit exaggerated in my opinion. One can usually work around these types of camera weaknesses most of the time if you know how too.

Is the 5D4, Nikon 850, or Sony a7iii a better camera than the 6D2? Probably so....but it doesn't automatically  make the 6D2 a piece of junk that's not capable of taking fantastic images! sheesh....   

The 6Dii is a very capable camera if you learn its strength and weaknesses, just as one would have to master any camera's strengths and weaknesses. I am having an enjoyable time with the 6D2 and love this darn camera regardless of all the internet complaining.
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Re: The TIPA and EISA Award Winners Have Been Announced
« Reply #55 on: April 23, 2018, 10:14:42 AM »
I owned the 6d and now own the 6dii. As started earlier all the complaining about 6dii is form non-6dii owners. People point to one thing mostly using DxOmark (who are worthless) to say the camera is crap. There are very limited situations where the 6d may perform better. I have not in my course of shooting come across a situation where the 6dii was not better than the original. I have tried to use the A7 III and am very glad I got the 6dii. There are so many things that Canon just does well that you do not even realize until you try a different brand in my experience. I would decently recommend the 6dii to anyone looking for an inexpensive FF.     
I certainly would not say the 6D II is "crap". Apart from no 4k video, I was disappointed in the dynamic range of its sensor .. the same as the 6D (which I already have), and I shoot a lot outdoors in low light. Are you sure you "tried to use the A7III"? They are not expected to start shipping until May 1.

You are probably right, I  do not track other manufacture as well as Canon. Long story short I got Divorced and my ex got all the camera equipment, so I had to but a whole new kit. It was between 6d, 6DII, 5Diii, and the relative Sony Mirrorless and Nikon. The Sony did not make very far in my consideration, After picking it up and trying to work with it I just did not like it did not feel right. and trying to go through the menus it just was not intuitive. I am not a "professional" how ever I just could not see myself enjoying shooting with it. Similar to shooting guns I went with the idea if you are not comfortable shooting your results will suffer. The Nikon was fine but when it came to replacing the glass I choose Canon. After using the 6dii the updates made it worth it for me over the 5diii and 6d. the one thing I do really wish I had was a larger spread of Auto focus points, however it is still much better than the original 6d.

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« Reply #56 on: April 23, 2018, 11:24:58 AM »
Another very happy 6DMKII user.

Having owned the majority of the canon line up from XXXDs to 1Ds its my go to on a regular basis, because i enjoy shooting with it, its so flexible and its pretty much down to the flippy screen.

Probably the most underrated camera on the market because of a few silly reviews, in practice in good hands there is very little it cant do. I bought it to replace my 5DMKIII because I wanted the flippy screen and it is better in almost every way. The AF has a smaller area but I find it gets critical focus far more often, the DR really isnt an issue to me, the card situation is a bummer but Ive never had a card fail in 15 years and swap them out on a regular basis, doesn't worry me.

It was also £1450 at launch and you can buy them for £1199 now... literally the best bang for buck in any line atm preowned 5DMKIIIs are more expensive... I wouldn't have one over a 6DMKII.

It is 90% a 5D4 at less than half the price.

Every time I pick it up I really enjoy using it, if you can get passed the "negatives" its an excellent camera.

I shoot lots of different subjects and use different cameras for uses. What I have found the the 6DMKII ideal for is a walk around / travel camera because its light GPS and WIFI, its a fantastic architectural / interior / landscape camera because of the screen and you can bracket, Its great in the studio for the same reason.

I have ended up using it in many other areas too, I shoot a lot motorsport and automotive and man this thing hits! The 7DMKII and 5DMKIII set up in similar ways just dont hit the same im not sure why but I think its excellent. I have used it as a wedding/portraiture camera and the images were stunning.

Ive shot nearly 60k on it already and its made its own value back multiple multiple times and im really happy with it.

The plan was to buy the 6DMKII for the short term and buy another 5D4 having shot both for the last 10 months... the 6DMKII gets more use.

Now if the 5DMKIV had a flip screen it would be the ideal camera.

My argument is that Cameras are so good now there is very little they cant do, cast your mind back 15 years ago when the 300D was around. Even lower end cameras in the right hands create incredible images.

The only things I wish it had were the dual card slots and wider with more AF points.

Unfortunately this is the only camera in canons FF line up with the screen and for my work it really has changed the way I can work.

Either way with the 5D4 being £2500 and the 6DII being £1199... amazing.
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Re: The TIPA and EISA Award Winners Have Been Announced
« Reply #57 on: April 23, 2018, 12:36:26 PM »
Now if the 5DMKIV had a flip screen it would be the ideal camera.

My argument is that Cameras are so good now there is very little they cant do, cast your mind back 15 years ago when the 300D was around. Even lower end cameras in the right hands create incredible images.

The only things I wish it had were the dual card slots and wider with more AF points.

Unfortunately this is the only camera in canons FF line up with the screen and for my work it really has changed the way I can work.

I couldn't agree more :)

I really hope the next 5D body has a flip screen, arctic weatherproofing be damned.  It's very hard to go back to a camera without a flip screen once you get used to it.  I also think that the ability to swivel all the way and view it from the front is a real asset -- I'm glad the M50 adopted this, as opposed to the M5/A7R3/D850 tilt-only mechanism.

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« Reply #57 on: April 23, 2018, 12:36:26 PM »

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Re: The TIPA and EISA Award Winners Have Been Announced
« Reply #58 on: April 23, 2018, 01:07:32 PM »
I live in Norway, where we either have S____ weather, or very harsh sunlight, and my trusty old 550D seriously struggles when it comes to DR, hence why DR is important to me (also high ISO is important, and the 6D II is awesome from what I have heard).

Don't worry about your English - it is fine.

Under the conditions you describe, no camera has the dynamic range to capture the full scene in one shot. And if higher ISOs are important to you, Canon is as good as it gets: the superiority of Nikon/Sony only applies to ISO800 and lower. This is why it is important to understand what you want to shoot and how you will view the images (social media content, all cameras will look the same. Print to 1 meter across and things are rather different).
This is why so much of the internet blather about the 6D2 was more about bandwagons than reality.

We have a Sony Nex-6, with more than 2 stops more DR than my Canon, and it really shows when editing. Unfortunately the ergonomics are poor, and as soon as I raise the ISO, my Canon is better. I do prefer Canon DSLR ergonomics. There will always be a compromise, the question is where they have compromised, and I wish Canon would have done it elsewhere with the 6D mark II.

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Re: The TIPA and EISA Award Winners Have Been Announced
« Reply #59 on: April 23, 2018, 08:38:31 PM »
Here's my crew watching over my 6D Mark ii...........

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