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Re: Canon EOS 80D Will Be The Next DSLR Replaced [CR1]
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2018, 02:57:43 PM »
You are the keeper of release history for Canon Rumors Forum readers. Can you think of any time that Canon has not put a new sensor in the next generation of XXD or XD models? I can't.

30D had exactly the same sensor as the 20D, but that was a while ago.
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Re: Canon EOS 80D Will Be The Next DSLR Replaced [CR1]
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2018, 02:57:43 PM »

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Re: Canon EOS 80D Will Be The Next DSLR Replaced [CR1]
« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2018, 03:22:20 PM »
Shouldn't be terribly surprised that the 90D would be next (provided no new SLR product lines are coming).  Prior estimates based on Canon's historical track record would imply that it would be next.

In general, Canon doesn't go faster between product iterations -- they typically maintain a certain cadence of release for a given product line and either repeat it or slightly extend it (earthquakes and such have also delayed things at times). 

But I had been waiting to see if the D850 or (especially) the D500 sales would spur Canon to shake up their release timing.  The 7D3 and 5DS are surely under more competitive pressure now than they were at launch.  But if Canon stays on it's 7D 5 year / 5DS 4-ish year cadence, it would imply that either those two Nikon rigs are not actually selling that well or (more likely) they are selling just fine but not stealing any Canon marketshare in the process.

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Right. 

The 80D remains my favorite camera for a lot of things.  I'm really curious as to what changes.  Almost certainly the sensor.  More 7DII features, like the AF system/options?  Tiny bit faster AF?  Larger field of focus, like the Nikon?  Maybe an AF joystick?  Almost certainly, WiFi and Bluetooth functionality like the 6DII. 

The only thing that could likely put me in the market for a 90D, though, is a better low-light performing sensor.

Canon would really have to up their game and load the 90D up with goodies for me to justify parting with my 80D. I shoot photos so whatever they do on the video end with it is rather meaningless to me.

I'm predicting M50 parts glued and screwed in to an 80D body with a 90D badge on the front of it.....perhaps 26 megapixels and likely the best 1080p video Canon DSLR to date. (with a crippled-cropped 4k like the M50)
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« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2018, 03:28:30 PM »
I don't mind if they stay at 24MP. Improvements such as: CR3/CRAW, Eye AF (for liveview), 61-AF point system, native ISO up to 25600, and a much larger RAW buffer would be suitable.

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« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2018, 03:35:24 PM »
Also:  why is no one who has been screaming for an accelerated 7D3 or 5DS2 freaking out over this news?

We've already been told there will be no 7DIII in 2018. I don't see this as significantly impacting the 7DIII or 5Ds II release schedule. In fact, I'm anxious to see what is in the 90D, because it sets the floor for the 7DIII.

You're showing common sense and patience, then.  Others here have implied the 5y 7D cycle may shorten up now that Nikon isn't sitting dormant in this sector, and others have argued the 5DS is in a weird place timing-wise versus the 5D4 such that 5DS users can end up going years without the latest 5-series tech onboard: on-chip ADC, wifi, touch screen for the DPAF, etc.

I happen to think Canon is more of a creature of habit than a crowd-pleaser, so this '90D is coming first' announcement makes sense to me, too.

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Re: Canon EOS 80D Will Be The Next DSLR Replaced [CR1]
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2018, 03:41:36 PM »
I am eager to see what the 90D has to offer. When the 7Diii finally comes out I will compare the two cameras and if the 7Diii doesn’t have the specs that I want I’ll buy the 90D.
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« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2018, 03:44:57 PM »
Some things to remember. The D500 was delayed far longer than the 7DII and in fact, most thought Nikon has abandoned that market segment. That meant a lot of pent up demand among Nikon shooters and a big jump in specs from the previous model. But, despite what we read on internet forums, it didn't necessarily mean Canon users were switching to Nikon.

Spot on.  A return to robust 'pro crop' body sales figures for Nikon doesn't mean that they are at the expense of Canon.  It could just be Nikon users who were getting by with a D7100 or D7200 and decided to upgrade.

And as global marketshare data at a segment level will never be made public, the only way we know that the D500 or D850 is truly kicking tail is if one of a few things happen:

  • Canon sheds it's highly scripted product lifecycles and 'rushes' a 7D3 or 5DS2/5DSR2 to market this year
  • Canon dramatically discounts the current 7D2 or 5DS rigs (i.e more than a year 3-4 product ought to be discounted) to keep Canon folks in the fold
  • Canon starts a new product line entirely directly to combat the D500 or D850.  As the 7D# line is a 1-for-1 with the D500, I don't see it happening there.  But a hig res X higher fps 'supercamera' in a new 3D or 4D line would be a clear tell that the D850 (and by extension, the A7R3) is indeed something Canon needs to respond to.

And so far, none have happened and we're only perhaps a year or so out from their original 4-ish y (5DS) and 5y  (7D) refreshes, so 'rushing' at this stage isn't really rushing -- it's just executing to plan at this point.

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Re: Canon EOS 80D Will Be The Next DSLR Replaced [CR1]
« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2018, 04:14:30 PM »
Also:  why is no one who has been screaming for an accelerated 7D3 or 5DS2 freaking out over this news?

We've already been told there will be no 7DIII in 2018. I don't see this as significantly impacting the 7DIII or 5Ds II release schedule. In fact, I'm anxious to see what is in the 90D, because it sets the floor for the 7DIII.
 
...I see a lot of D500s in the bird hides here so the sales are probably moving along although Canon still leads.

...I had been waiting to see if the D850 or (especially) the D500 sales would spur Canon to shake up their release timing.  The 7D3 and 5DS are surely under more competitive pressure now than they were at launch.  But if Canon stays on it's 7D 5 year / 5DS 4-ish year cadence, it would imply that either those two Nikon rigs are not actually selling that well or (more likely) they are selling just fine but not stealing any Canon marketshare in the process.

Some things to remember. The D500 was delayed far longer than the 7DII and in fact, most thought Nikon has abandoned that market segment. That meant a lot of pent up demand among Nikon shooters and a big jump in specs from the previous model. But, despite what we read on internet forums, it didn't necessarily mean Canon users were switching to Nikon.

Anecdotal evidence like the brand of cameras one sees in bird hides is simply anecdotal evidence. And, it's not a zero sum game. More Nikons does not translate into fewer Canons.

Some people do switch, like Art Morris and Aresh Hazeghi, but most are reluctant to change ecosystems as they have lenses etc. For new people buying their first high level camera and lens, the D500 has better specs all round than the 7DII, and there is the tempting Nikkor 200-500 f/5.6. My first good camera was the 7D as it was the subject of rave reviews when it came out as being the best APS-C, and it led me into the Canon system. If I was starting again, I probably would enter the Nikon fold after reading the reviews.
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Re: Canon EOS 80D Will Be The Next DSLR Replaced [CR1]
« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2018, 04:14:30 PM »

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« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2018, 05:52:00 PM »
Another APS-C ?  ::) ::) ::)

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« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2018, 06:01:12 PM »
Another APS-C for huge revenue driver that keeps the lights on at Canon?  ::) ::) ::)

Corrected that for you.   ;)

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« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2018, 06:07:47 PM »
4k with dpaf would already be a major step foward. Sidelined by a few tweaks here and there, and a 90D would be worthy of its name. The 80D already is a pretty good camera, compared to the market.
I am still happy woth my 70D, although I have to say that - for example - the mirror slap seems pretty strong compared to my new 6D mk II. Never had a 80D in my hands, perhaps that had already been adressed there...

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« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2018, 09:11:39 PM »
Canon better get their act together.  In the last nine months I have been to Alaska, Costa Rica and just now photographing migrating birds at Magee Marsh in Ohio.  Slowly but surely one is seeing less Canon white lens.  Lots of the new Nikon cropped sensor camera which I think is the 550 coupled with the 500 mm zoon.  Professionals are using this. I know of people who are dumping Canon for these.  Arthur Morris just dumped Canon for Nikon.

Canon really missed the boat by now having a 500 mm zoom.  If one is starting out would you want this lens or the Canon 100-400 mm zoom?

Unless something soon happens based on what I have seen especially for wildlife photographers Canon's dominance is over.   One can have endless patents but it's surperior product that counts.

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« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2018, 09:43:39 PM »
I hope the 7D mark III (D500) and the 5DsR mark II (D850) would be release soon!  :P
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« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2018, 09:51:30 PM »
would like to see a 26 MP back illuminated sensor and eye AF in live view.

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« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2018, 09:51:30 PM »

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« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2018, 11:21:51 PM »
Canon better get their act together...
...Unless something soon happens based on what I have seen especially for wildlife photographers Canon's dominance is over.   One can have endless patents but it's surperior product that counts.

Nice first post.

Funny, I seldom see Nikons when I'm out shooting. Lots of white lenses and usually some Sigma and Tamron. I guess it just depends on where you are and what you are looking for.

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« Reply #29 on: May 22, 2018, 12:04:42 AM »
Canon really missed the boat by now having a 500 mm zoom.  If one is starting out would you want this lens or the Canon 100-400 mm zoom?

What little testing I've seen demonstrates the Canon is a solid mid-level L supertele while the Nikon is a more of a budget instrument.  It's difficult to compare across mounts/sensors, but a 100-400L II with a 1.4x looks on par (if not better) with the naked 200-500 on the long end -- and without a teleconverter in the mix I don't think it's very much of a contest

I will not deny the value of a 500 f/5.6 VR option for $1400, but I think you're comparing a Honda to a Mercedes here.  And as for 'dominance' in the field, Canon not putting out an affordable superzoom or accelerating the 7D3 implies the D500 and 200-500 5.6 are not stealing any Canon marketshare.

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