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Re: Possible Confirmation of Takeover Talks Between Apple and Canon !!!
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2018, 11:00:22 PM »
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Re: Possible Confirmation of Takeover Talks Between Apple and Canon !!!
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Re: Possible Confirmation of Takeover Talks Between Apple and Canon !!!
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2018, 11:44:52 PM »
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Re: Possible Confirmation of Takeover Talks Between Apple and Canon !!!
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2018, 12:56:06 AM »
I think at this point one can make a better argument for Apple buying Canon than for Sun buying Apple. But even with all their billions lying around, it would be out of character for Apple to purchase a large company with diversified divisions. My guess is that their success in recent decades is grounded in not straying too far from their core competence areas.

A very successful purchasing strategy has been to acquire chip design companies, both for the designers and the patents. I don’t think they have got so much into fabrication. The A series chips keep getting more powerful while still working in small devices. Pundits even suggest that they could eventually replace the chips in Macs, given the slowing progress Intel seems to be making. That transition still looks to me to be more trouble than it is worth, even with the common BSD foundation of both OSes. The clever design of having multiple cores of different speeds and power consumption clearly is of benefit to phones and pads, but not so obviously Macs.

Perhaps this is an area where Apple could be of more benefit to Canon than vice versa. I don’t know how the processors in Canon cameras compare to those in an iPad Pro. I’m guessing not so favorably. Whether Canons fabrication would benefit Apple, or technologies like 3D printing would make the purchase worthwhile, I won’t guess. But those sound like things Apple would outsource. But back to chips, think of the ability to support full frame-width 8K video on a future 5DSwhatever.

Perhaps instructive is despite all of rumors of car development, Apple hasn’t bought Tesla or some other auto maker. And then one could suggest that the real value of Tesla to Apple would be battery technology.

I don’t know enough about any of this to comment intelligently. But then I also doubt that in a lot of pundits who write about these things for a living.

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Re: Possible Confirmation of Takeover Talks Between Apple and Canon !!!
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2018, 01:37:47 AM »
I think at this point one can make a better argument for Apple buying Canon than for Sun buying Apple. But even with all their billions lying around, it would be out of character for Apple to purchase a large company with diversified divisions. My guess is that their success in recent decades is grounded in not straying too far from their core competence areas.

A very successful purchasing strategy has been to acquire chip design companies, both for the designers and the patents. I don’t think they have got so much into fabrication. The A series chips keep getting more powerful while still working in small devices. Pundits even suggest that they could eventually replace the chips in Macs, given the slowing progress Intel seems to be making. That transition still looks to me to be more trouble than it is worth, even with the common BSD foundation of both OSes. The clever design of having multiple cores of different speeds and power consumption clearly is of benefit to phones and pads, but not so obviously Macs.

Perhaps this is an area where Apple could be of more benefit to Canon than vice versa. I don’t know how the processors in Canon cameras compare to those in an iPad Pro. I’m guessing not so favorably. Whether Canons fabrication would benefit Apple, or technologies like 3D printing would make the purchase worthwhile, I won’t guess. But those sound like things Apple would outsource. But back to chips, think of the ability to support full frame-width 8K video on a future 5DSwhatever.

Perhaps instructive is despite all of rumors of car development, Apple hasn’t bought Tesla or some other auto maker. And then one could suggest that the real value of Tesla to Apple would be battery technology.

I don’t know enough about any of this to comment intelligently. But then I also doubt that in a lot of pundits who write about these things for a living.

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You are INDEED CORRECT that with 200,000 employees Canon would a be a rather LARGE DISH TO EAT for Apple......BUT.......since the Japanese government wouldn't actually allow anything other than the initial financial transaction (i.e. money exchanged!), some Apple board members in Canon's boardroom and access to Canon's patent portfolio BUT NO ACTUAL change of headquarters or executive leadership,  I think Apple would do fine! They don't really want to run Canon! They just want Apple's logo on the cameras and printers, Canon's patents and chip-building expertise!

In terms of horsepower, the A-series Apple are a MONSTER STEP above the Canon DIGIC series (which have the SAME ARM-base!) -- Put an Apple A10/A11/A12 chip on a Canon 1DxMk3 and it would SING WONDERFULLY with 8k video at 120 fps! Battery life would suck though!

I did notice that one of the MANUFACTURING locations for Apple onshore products manufacturing in my original post mentioned Nevada, Utah AND IDAHO! ---- The reason THAT in interesting is that Micron Technology (i.e. supplier of Kingston and Ballistix RAM memory chips!) is based in Boise, Idaho so I wouldn't NOT be surprised to think that Apple might also want some premade NAND RAM chip memory expertise!

At a reasonable five times income ratio, it would only cost Apple around $25 billion US to buy outright!

For a SECOND ACQUISITION, I would say that Apple should ALSO take a look at Texas Instruments! Their DSP and CPU manufacturing expertise is second-to-none!
And at 5x operating income, I'd make an offer for about $27 Billion to whet Texas Instruments shareholder appetites! That offer would likely be high enough that an IBM or Oracle would NOT enter a bidding war for TI!

Apple could then move ALL chip production completely in-house!

It could ALSO be foreseen that CANON might take a run at Texas Instruments!
so it could get chip fabbing capacity/expertise and access to TI's chip patents portfolio!  Hmmmm.....a Two GHz 16 core TI ARM CPU + GPU processor in a Canon Camera or Canon smartphone WOULD ALSO BE SWEET !!!!!!

In terms of 3D printing, BOTH Canon AND Apple should take a look at Markforged.com as their metal powder deposition and plastic composite 3D printers would be IDEAL for either company to sell at HIGH PROFIT MARGINS! Just remember to make sure you make the final object output sizes bigger (i.e. up to 400mm by 400mm by 400mm or larger!)

I do have a sneaky suspicion that Sony has been looking at Sigma for their lenses!
Rebranded Sigma Art Series on Sony E-mount Still and Video Cameras would work for me! And since Sigma ALSO HAS the Foveon 3D-stacked RGB photosite sensor technology, that would DEFINITELY WORK in Sony's favour for buying Sigma outright!

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Again, my original post is something from my European sources and that have been pretty good so far with what has come down the pipeline! They correctly predicted the C700 cinema camera with its Global Shutter option AND its multi-codec nature, so I am inclined to place SOME GOOD FAITH in their assertion that Apple is talking with Canon over SOME SORT of corporate purchase or maybe even just a joint-venture agreement! We won't know until either it's announced in the media OR you see Canon or Apple's lawyers serving a takedown notice to CanonRumors for my initial post! THEN we will KNOW its for real !!!!

We Shall See What Happens.......STAY TUNED !!!!
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Re: Possible Confirmation of Takeover Talks Between Apple and Canon !!!
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2018, 08:53:31 AM »
Total Fantasy, no reference to a credible source.  Japanese companies like Canon are Crown Jewels in Japan, no government official who even suggested a approval would keep his job.
Where do you dredge up this stuff?
On the other hand, a blast from the past!
https://www.cultofmac.com/477553/apple-history-canon-apple-acquisition/
But it was OK for Canon to buy Axis a Swedish surveillance company for $ 2.6bn? Or Softbank to buy Arm Holdings a UK chip designer for $ 32bn? I agree this looks like fantasy but plenty of Japanese companies buy foreign businesses it has to be a two-way street.

Apple have some really good engineers on the camera side of there smart phones etc. I know two of them personally the only way Apple would be trying to buy Canon is if it had some kind of game changing technology but given the market cap of Canon I doubt it.

The Brit that ran Sony for a number of years was brought in to force change at a time Sony was struggling, he did the dirty work and then it reverted to Japanese management. A Brit was brought in to run Olympus, he uncovered malpractice and downright corruption and was sacked for making it public and Sony now have a share holding in Olympus as part of a rescue plan. 

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Re: Possible Confirmation of Takeover Talks Between Apple and Canon !!!
« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2018, 10:04:07 AM »
In terms of horsepower, the A-series Apple are a MONSTER STEP above the Canon DIGIC series (which have the SAME ARM-base!) -- Put an Apple A10/A11/A12 chip on a Canon 1DxMk3 and it would SING WONDERFULLY with 8k video at 120 fps! Battery life would suck though!

All the more reason to buy Tesla!

Apple was one of the three companies that founded ARM, so no surprise at their ongoing involvement with the chip architecture, though Apple sold their stake long ago. (And that's another example supporting my skepticism that Apple wants to own and run everything themselves.)

I'm not so sure about your battery comment, at least in less extreme situations. (And as I posted in a different context, the folks regularly doing out-of-the-ordinary things know who they are, and can afford an extra battery or two, battery packs, and even an AC converter.) Low power modes and cores are part of the design. Heat issues in a slim phone should give experience toward how to deal with them in a camera body.

More in character for Apple would be extensive cross-licensing with Canon, pretty much all of the benefits without the exposure of ownership and responsibility to manage. The (in)famous cross-licensing agreement with Microsoft might not be the pattern, but that benefited both companies, perhaps not so much in technology directly as in saving billions in legal fees, and the $150M investment gave Apple some fiscal credibility. People still recall that as MS's saving Apple's bacon, but even at the time that was chicken feed for Apple. It was enough to look good. The major benefits were behind the scenes. Gates came off looking like more of a good guy back before he was considered such by a lot of folk, and MS made some money off the investment, probably. We all won. Luckily, neither company had to run the other one.

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Re: Possible Confirmation of Takeover Talks Between Apple and Canon !!!
« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2018, 06:21:41 AM »
This takeover would be incredible! Three possibilities - awesome products, No change, awful direct/products. Great read everyone.
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Re: Possible Confirmation of Takeover Talks Between Apple and Canon !!!
« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2018, 05:38:33 PM »
This takeover would be incredible! Three possibilities - awesome products, No change, awful direct/products. Great read everyone.
Scott.

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Well on Friday, June 15, 2018 Apple did SUDDENLY ANNOUNCE a megadeal with Oprah Winfre and her production company to supply original programming for iTunes and other Apple systems. In terms of money, it will be about a $500 million to $1.5 Billion dollars so it's a DROP IN THE BUCKET for Apple and is NOT what I was expecting....BUT then again ....in a few weeks maybe it WILL be announces that Apple is buying ALL of Canon ... or more likely Texas Instruments for between $25 Billion to $55 Billion !!!

https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/celebrity/oprah-winfrey-signs-mega-deal-apple-original-programming-n883656

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Re: Possible Confirmation of Takeover Talks Between Apple and Canon !!!
« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2018, 05:53:36 PM »
This takeover would be incredible! Three possibilities - awesome products, No change, awful direct/products. Great read everyone.
Scott.

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Well on Friday, June 15, 2018 Apple did SUDDENLY ANNOUNCE a megadeal with Oprah Winfre and her production company to supply original programming for iTunes and other Apple systems. In terms of money, it will be about a $500 million to $1.5 Billion dollars so it's a DROP IN THE BUCKET for Apple and is NOT what I was expecting....BUT then again ....in a few weeks maybe it WILL be announces that Apple is buying ALL of Canon ... or more likely Texas Instruments for between $25 Billion to $55 Billion !!!

https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/celebrity/oprah-winfrey-signs-mega-deal-apple-original-programming-n883656

I guess 'Oprah Winfrey' is an anagram of 'Canon' in Harryfilm world.....

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Re: Possible Confirmation of Takeover Talks Between Apple and Canon !!!
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2018, 03:53:33 PM »
Apple will eventually have to do something with their cash pile or give it back to shareholders.
You wonder how more can they improve an iPhone. It's an almost perfected technology.
They could do worse than buying Nikon or Canon but I assume its unlikely.

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Re: Possible Confirmation of Takeover Talks Between Apple and Canon !!!
« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2018, 09:40:07 AM »
Well on Friday, June 15, 2018 Apple did SUDDENLY ANNOUNCE a megadeal with Oprah Winfre and her production company to supply original programming for iTunes and other Apple systems.

Did you miss AT&T merged with Time Warner? Disney and Comcast trying to buy 21st Century Fox? It's a big rush to vertical integration between content producers and delivery networks/devices, as Amazon and Netflix became also producers.

Nothing to do with Canon, which is a huge manufacturing company of imaging devices and other stuff. I don't think they need to buy Canon because they need more video cameras...

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Re: Possible Confirmation of Takeover Talks Between Apple and Canon !!!
« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2018, 09:44:35 AM »
I'll believe there's something in the rumours the day that Canon release a Canon Connect app for the iPhone that actually works properly.
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Re: Possible Confirmation of Takeover Talks Between Apple and Canon !!!
« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2018, 11:46:59 AM »
I'll believe there's something in the rumours the day that Canon release a Canon Connect app for the iPhone that actually works properly.
I just used it this week to download raw images from my SL2 to my iPhone and it worked fine.  It is indeed a pain to setup, I last used Canon Connect to download images a few months ago, since I was on vacation last week, I used it to transfer images and edited them with Adobe Lightroom on my iPhone to post online.   It worked again without any new setup.  If the iPhone ever adapts NFC, then it can easily be setup. 


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« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2018, 11:46:59 AM »

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Re: Possible Confirmation of Takeover Talks Between Apple and Canon !!!
« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2018, 12:06:37 PM »
Please no. If i see a apple logo in a Canon camera i'll switch to another brand.  ;)

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Re: Possible Confirmation of Takeover Talks Between Apple and Canon !!!
« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2018, 08:37:15 PM »
Well on Friday, June 15, 2018 Apple did SUDDENLY ANNOUNCE a megadeal with Oprah Winfre and her production company to supply original programming for iTunes and other Apple systems.

Did you miss AT&T merged with Time Warner? Disney and Comcast trying to buy 21st Century Fox? It's a big rush to vertical integration between content producers and delivery networks/devices, as Amazon and Netflix became also producers.

Nothing to do with Canon, which is a huge manufacturing company of imaging devices and other stuff. I don't think they need to buy Canon because they need more video cameras...

Apple would buy Canon NOT for the Lenses, Cameras and CPS products....They would buy Canon for its Precision Optics used in microcircuit manufacture. Canon is number two in the world (after a Netherlands company) for providing systems that do Quality Assurance, chip mask-etching and machine vision systems for other companies who do chipmaking. Apple would like to take their ENTIRE CPU/GPU and RAM memory production inhouse and back onshore to the USA to get away from massive new tariffs, and it looks like Utah, Nevada and Idaho are the front-runner states for having a U.S.-based manufacturing arm for it's chips.

Canon ALSO HAS Quantum Dot patents for very high end display technologies and even a replacement for Corning's Gorilla Glass! This would allow 4K and 8K screens for Apples upcoming supersmart 4k/8k consumer TV's, 8k+ computer displays and iPhones/iPads.

Apple can easily afford Canon $55 Billion U.S. price tag AND in addition Apple would get to put an Apple-logo on world-class DLSR's, Lenses, Pro Video systems, consumer point'n'shoots, high end printers and of course, Large Sensor Smartphones!

The only other companies that make sense for Apple to buy after Canon are Micron Technologies for 3D-stacked NAND memory and Texas Instruments for CPU/GPU chip production capacity.

Anyways, this recent Oprah Winfrew production deal by Apple is just a drop in the bucket for Apple probably worth less than $1.5 Billion US! ...BUT....since this is a CONTENT-related purchase it must means some NEW HARDWARE is coming down the line so I suspect we are getting a new 42", 65" and 83" or large iTunes/Siri enabled 4k and/or 8k consumer TVs that are PROBABLY going to be Quantum Dot technology which means I am beginning to believe Apple has ALREADY signed a secret deal for panel manufacturing and I would NOT be surprised to see that Apple has bought some Canon patents or is in agreement to purchase a Canon division OR maybe even the WHOLE COMPANY of Canon !!!

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